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Majik » 25 Feb 2023, 12:38 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 12:38 pm

Exactly.
and then Biden under Obama committed a coup overthrowing a democracy and destabilized the region knowing full well the response Russia would have .....
and I still remember how those European governments responded with disdain back then when their government's were not subverted by the WEF and their agenda.

china wants no part of the war and wants peace negotitiations but biden wants people to  think otherwise.



https://www.france24.com/en/video/20221 ... -be-smooth

Russia' leader Vladimir Putin has told China's President Xi Jinping he's keen to ramp up military cooperation this as he hailed the two countries' efforts to counter Western influence. Facing unprecedented Western sanctions over Moscow's assault against Ukraine, Putin is hoping to strengthen political, economic and military ties with China. Moscow's offensive in Ukraine is however a sensitive issue for Beijing, which has sought to position itself as neutral. Beijing has however offered diplomatic backing to its strategic ally Russia. FRANCE 24's Chief Foreign Editor Robert Parsons tells us more.

slideman » 25 Feb 2023, 12:44 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 12:44 pm

For eastern Europeans impatient for NATO membership, Clinton explained, “it’s part of being accepted by the West. But they also have security concerns. That’s where it gets complicated. They trust you, Boris … But they are not so sure what’s going to happen in Russia if you’re not around.” A prescient remark.

So, you double down with propaganda ....proving you are a lunatic once again ....

Trumprules » 25 Feb 2023, 12:57 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 12:57 pm

The end to this war will be when Russian give up what they stole. You can't reward these bullies or they will continue to repeat their actions. When Russia goes home the war will be over. All Russia has to do is stop and go home and quit killing babies.

keep dreaming.

jerrab » 25 Feb 2023, 12:46 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 12:46 pm

china wants no part of the war and wants peace negotitiations but biden wants people to  think otherwise.

https://www.france24.com/en/video/20221 ... -be-smooth

Russia' leader Vladimir Putin has told China's President Xi Jinping he's keen to ramp up military cooperation this as he hailed the two countries' efforts to counter Western influence. Facing unprecedented Western sanctions over Moscow's assault against Ukraine, Putin is hoping to strengthen political, economic and military ties with China. Moscow's offensive in Ukraine is however a sensitive issue for Beijing, which has sought to position itself as neutral. Beijing has however offered diplomatic backing to its strategic ally Russia. FRANCE 24's Chief Foreign Editor Robert Parsons tells us more.

Well, let's be honest here .....
China is fence sitting because no matter who wins or loses the Ukraine conflict .....China wins in the end .....
China has already subverted most leftwing politicians whom are now in Control of the west ...including ours ....
China is the largest monetary contributor to the WEF......
China owns our debt ......
and if it was actually possible for these politicians to tell the truth regarding the real state of the world ......China has already beaten us economically.
we blame inflation on the pandemic when the truth is costs are rising because our money has been devalued by the producers like China ....
while our governments and their paid to lie experts are trying to hide this fact ...

 

Majik » 25 Feb 2023, 12:41 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 12:41 pm

Legally if a NATO country directly attacks Russia ....Russia's response would be legally legitimate ....

Mutual assured destruction you **** idiot. No one's going to use a nuke.

Majik » 25 Feb 2023, 1:00 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 1:00 pm

Well, let's be honest here .....
China is fence sitting because no matter who wins or loses the Ukraine conflict .....China wins in the end .....
China has already subverted most leftwing politicians whom are now in Control of the west ...including ours ....
China is the largest monetary contributor to the WEF......
China owns our debt ......
and if it was actually possible for these politicians to tell the truth regarding the real state of the world ......China has already beaten us economically.
we blame inflation on the pandemic when the truth is costs are rising because our money has been devalued by the producers like China ....
while our governments and their paid to lie experts are trying to hide this fact ...

the biggest threat would be if china would join russia but that does not seem likely in spite of what biden says.

Majik » 25 Feb 2023, 1:00 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 1:00 pm

Well, let's be honest here .....
China is fence sitting because no matter who wins or loses the Ukraine conflict .....China wins in the end .....
China has already subverted most leftwing politicians whom are now in Control of the west ...including ours ....
China is the largest monetary contributor to the WEF......
China owns our debt ......
and if it was actually possible for these politicians to tell the truth regarding the real state of the world ......China has already beaten us economically.
we blame inflation on the pandemic when the truth is costs are rising because our money has been devalued by the producers like China ....
while our governments and their paid to lie experts are trying to hide this fact ...

You have a rich fantasy Life. China is completely dependent on Europe and the United States as markets. We could **** them up big time by closing our markets to their made in China goods. Trump of all people showed the way.
Apple would have to come home.
No imports of finished manufactured goods from China whatsoever.

They cannot stand 15% unemployment.
They are much more dependent on us than we are on them as they are also not self-sufficient in food and we send them a lot of soybeans every year. It would hurt our Farmers to cut that off but war is war.
We would prevail.

Trumprules » 25 Feb 2023, 12:57 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 12:57 pm

The end to this war will be when Russian give up what they stole. You can't reward these bullies or they will continue to repeat their actions. When Russia goes home the war will be over. All Russia has to do is stop and go home and quit killing babies.

No, it  will NOW either end with the Ukraine being flattened and  forced to surrender or Nuclear war ....
And you talking about bully's is high comedy.....
comsidering that is what this western alliance is now .....
a bunch of bully countries stealing Russian wealth, arming their proxy Zelensky and allowing Zelensky to dictate the outcome ......while killing as many Ukrainians as possible  like sacrificial lambs for western imperialism .....
I predict Zelensky will be torn apart in the streets once The Ukrainian people realize what is really going on ......

Majik » 25 Feb 2023, 1:11 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 1:11 pm

No, it  will NOW either end with the Ukraine being flattened and  forced to surrender or Nuclear war ....
And you talking about bully's is high comedy.....
comsidering that is what this western alliance is now .....
a bunch of bully countries stealing Russian wealth, arming their proxy Zelensky and allowing Zelensky to dictate the outcome ......while killing as many Ukrainians as possible  like sacrificial lambs for western imperialism .....
I predict Zelensky will be torn apart in the streets once The Ukrainian people realize what is really going on ......

Russia will not use a nuke as they have been assured by the United States that it would be construed as an attack on the United States so forget that.
Ukraine is demonstrated they have the morale they have the weapons they have the will.

You're a **** loser

Please show me the treaty in which we agreed with Russia that we would not expand NATO.

White man prefers an autocratic society closed to free thought regimented and not free.
**** you fascist

slideman » 25 Feb 2023, 1:02 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 1:02 pm

Mutual assured destruction you **** idiot. No one's going to use a nuke.

Again ...you show your narcissistic ignorance ....warmongering lunatic leftist.....
No matter what Biden or the Pentagon publically states with their blather....
The U.S. will never ever use it's nuclear arsenal unless it is directly attacked meaning a direct attack on U.S. soil ......contrary to your ****.
The Pentagon's main priority is the USA .....and not a country they are using for a proxy war like the Ukraine which they are now sacrificing and really don't give a **** about beyond their geopolitical expectations.
And that is a fact ....you warmongering fools need to get through your heads.
Survival of our country is paramount....not what happens in Eastern Europe ....or Europe proper....
If NATO crosses the line then legally Putin can defend itself using low yield nuclear weapons on the NATO country that crosses that line ....
Do you really believe that if Putin nuked Poland that we would respond With a nuclear option .....?
get a **** grip....already.
you ​​are embarrassing your self .....
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I think it is rather obvious that nato will never allow this war to end. Not even if they start ww3.

There really is not much you or I can possibly do about that.

The idea of sending missionaries is laughable.. both countries are a lot more Christian than Texas lol.lol...

Which is probably why nato likes to see them bleed eachother.

slideman » 25 Feb 2023, 1:18 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 1:18 pm

Russia will not use a nuke as they have been assured by the United States that it would be construed as an attack on the United States so forget that.
Ukraine is demonstrated they have the morale they have the weapons they have the will.

You're a **** loser

You are embarrassing your self .....idiot.
because you believe the propagated rhetoric. ...
Our military and it's survival protocol would never risk it's own destruction unless our shores are attacked .....and nor would they risk annihilation for the Ukraine.
And all the Ukraine has demonstrated is that it should have negotiated peace 11 months ago......instead of allowing itself under Zelensky to be used as  cannon fodder in a proxy war that it cannot win .....
and The only thing that keeps,the ukrainians propped up isn't Ukrainians themselves but the evil that is in control of the Ukraine using it as a pawn on a broader geopolitical agenda  once again initiated by a coup committed by American imperialism ....
 

slideman » 25 Feb 2023, 1:19 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 1:19 pm

Please show me the treaty in which we agreed with Russia that we would not expand NATO.

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https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/l ... story.html


In early February 1990, U.S. leaders made the Soviets an offer. According to transcripts of meetings in Moscow on Feb. 9, then-Secretary of State James Baker suggested that in exchange for cooperation on Germany, U.S. could make “iron-clad guarantees” that NATO would not expand “one inch eastward.” Less than a week later, Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev agreed to begin reunification talks. No formal deal was struck, but from all the evidence, the quid pro quo was clear: Gorbachev acceded to Germany’s western alignment and the U.S. would limit NATO’s expansion.Nevertheless, great powers rarely tie their own hands. In internal memorandums and notes, U.S. policymakers soon realized that ruling out NATO’s expansion might not be in the best interests of the United States. By late February, Bush and his advisers had decided to leave the door open.

**************At the same time, however, it appears the Americans still were trying to convince the Russians that their concerns about NATO would be respected. Baker pledged in Moscow on May 18, 1990, that the United States would cooperate with the Soviet Union in the “development of a new Europe.” And in June, per talking points prepared by the NSC, Bush was telling Soviet leaders that the United States sought “a new, inclusive Europe.”It’s therefore not surprising that Russia was incensed when Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, the Baltic states and others were ushered into NATO membership starting in the mid-1990s. Boris Yeltsin, Dmitry Medvedev and Gorbachev himself protested through both public and private channels that U.S. leaders had violated the non-expansion arrangement. As NATO began looking even further eastward, to Ukraine and Georgia, protests turned to outright aggression and saber-rattling. NATO’S widening umbrella doesn’t justify Putin’s bellicosity or his incursions in Ukraine or Georgia. Still, the evidence suggests that Russia’s protests have merit and that U.S. policy has contributed to current tensions in Europe.

 
 

slideman » 25 Feb 2023, 1:09 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 1:09 pm

You have a rich fantasy Life. China is completely dependent on Europe and the United States as markets. We could **** them up big time by closing our markets to their made in China goods. Trump of all people showed the way.
Apple would have to come home.
No imports of finished manufactured goods from China whatsoever.

They cannot stand 15% unemployment.
They are much more dependent on us than we are on them as they are also not self-sufficient in food and we send them a lot of soybeans every year. It would hurt our Farmers to cut that off but war is war.
We would prevail.

It's simple math that totally destroys your **** ....
the combined population of North America and Europe is only 1.1 billion.
While the world has a population now of 7.8 billion.....
They don't need us as much as we need them .....you stupid **** idiot ....
especially if 6.7 billion people pivot exclusively towards China which is now happening right in front of Your lying eyes......
 

slideman » 25 Feb 2023, 1:20 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 1:20 pm

White man prefers an autocratic society closed to free thought regimented and not free.
**** you fascist

Shut up ....you **** low intellect Democrat Lunatic....

You are on the side of a march towards an autocratic society .....you **** ****...
 

FOS » 25 Feb 2023, 1:33 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 1:33 pm

I think it is rather obvious that nato will never allow this war to end. Not even if they start ww3.

There really is not much you or I can possibly do about that.

The idea of sending missionaries is laughable.. both countries are a lot more Christian than Texas lol.lol...

Which is probably why nato likes to see them bleed eachother.

One tactical **** nuke on Kyiv will end it ....and fast.
 

Majik » 25 Feb 2023, 2:02 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 2:02 pm

One tactical **** nuke on Kyiv will end it ....and fast.

I doubt it

slideman » 25 Feb 2023, 1:09 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 1:09 pm

You have a rich fantasy Life. China is completely dependent on Europe and the United States as markets. We could **** them up big time by closing our markets to their made in China goods. Trump of all people showed the way.
Apple would have to come home.
No imports of finished manufactured goods from China whatsoever.

They cannot stand 15% unemployment.
They are much more dependent on us than we are on them as they are also not self-sufficient in food and we send them a lot of soybeans every year. It would hurt our Farmers to cut that off but war is war.
We would prevail.

lol you have no idea whatnyouvare talking about. 

And your world view is retarded.

In order to actually have an economy...you do not need 'markets'. You need actual stuff. Manufacturing. 

The only thing thevusa produces enough of is food. We are totally dependent on other countries for everything else. China, in contrast, can take care of itself. 

And opening factories won't do any good. You won't have anyone to work in them. The 3rd world you are importing will never produce enough engineers. Then only people who COULD rebuild our manufacturing.. the old Americana trypes...are exactly the people you are obsessed with genocidal.

you are not going to be able to drive aroundnin a bag of money.