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Trumprules » 25 Feb 2023, 2:12 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 2:12 pm

I don't think so. That will start world war three.

No, it wouldn't ....realistically.
​​​​​​ it would be condemned politically......and that is all that would occur ....
And that's a fact.
because no country in Europe or NATO would risk annihilation for the Ukraine .....
 

Taipan » 24 Feb 2023, 12:25 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Feb 2023, 12:25 pm

War is very, very, expensive for all parties concerned.
Russia is bleeding.
Ukraine is bleeding.
NATO is bleeding.
USA is bleeding.

All of this is unnecessary.
When the 5 Mafia Families were at war with each other, they quickly learned that war
cuts deeply into profits.   So they called for peace, formed a Commission, & divvied-up
territory.     We can do the same for the Ukraine War.           For the exact same reason.
Peace is more profitable that war.!!

We are 'problem-solvers'.
Let's attacked the problem from 100 different angles.
I will propose 3 right now.
1.  The United Nations.  195 nations.    This......is their job.                 World Peace.
     Let's send in the Blue-Helmets & demand both tribes back-off to their own corners of the ring.
2. Send in the Christians.     Build 2 great Churches.    1 in Ukraine......and 1 in Russia.
    Bring in the Varsity Team.   The "A-Team" of Preachers, Ministers, & Priests from all over the
    world (like Billy Graham).      Preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ.........until Hell freezes over !!
3.  Unify all nations in the business world.    No more business with anyone who will not come
     to the table for Peace-Talks.   Sanctions.   Heavy-duty sanctions that can cripple any economy.

If we can go to the moon & and invent the internet.....then we can solve all problems here on Earth.
World Peace can be had......if we all play our cards right. 
Let's beat our swords,......into plowshares.       Wouldn't that make the Angels smile ?                   
https://youtu.be/FEAVWy1ILWo
   

Even Xi Jinping agrees with you..  Or at least appears to today.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/23/china/ch ... index.html

China calls for Russia-Ukraine ceasefire as claims to neutrality questioned

“Conflict and war benefit no one. All parties must stay rational and exercise restraint, avoid fanning the flames and aggravating tensions, and prevent the crisis from deteriorating further or even spiraling out of control,” the paper said.
 

FOS » 25 Feb 2023, 1:33 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 1:33 pm

I think it is rather obvious that nato will never allow this war to end. Not even if they start ww3.

There really is not much you or I can possibly do about that.

The idea of sending missionaries is laughable.. both countries are a lot more Christian than Texas lol.lol...

Which is probably why nato likes to see them bleed eachother.

europe would want the war to end, biden not so much.
 

FOS » 25 Feb 2023, 2:05 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 2:05 pm

I doubt it

I don't...
because up to this point The western alliance and their militaries all know regardless of their public rhetoric that Putin could have leveled all of the Ukraine in a week if Putin was actually fighting a real war where he wanted to conquer all of the Ukraine ....
and The western alliance is betting that Putin will allow Russia to be bogged down in a long  drawn out quagmire .....
But if Putin actually used a tactical nuke on Kyiv and completely destroyed it .....
they would all be at the bargaining table the very next day ....
and that is a fact.

 

Trumprules » 25 Feb 2023, 2:24 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 2:24 pm

Yes it will you have no clue.

I served for over 30+ years in a myriad of capacities ....
and I know what our nuclear doctrine and protocols are ....
and I say it wouldn't be us retaliating with nukes ....But we would be pushing for peace pretty **** fast.

 

Majik » 25 Feb 2023, 2:28 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 2:28 pm

I don't...
because up to this point The western alliance and their militaries all know regardless of their public rhetoric that Putin could have leveled all of the Ukraine in a week if Putin was actually fighting a real war where he wanted to conquer all of the Ukraine ....
and The western alliance is betting that Putin will allow Russia to be bogged down in a long  drawn out quagmire .....
But if Putin actually used a tactical nuke on Kyiv and completely destroyed it .....
they would all be at the bargaining table the very next day ....
and that is a fact.

Why? What would be the incentive?

do you think the usa cares about ukranians?

Do you think zelensky cares about dead ukranians?

FOS » 25 Feb 2023, 2:33 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 2:33 pm

Why? What would be the incentive?

do you think the usa cares about ukranians?

Do you think zelensky cares about dead ukranians?

I do think Zelensky cares about the future of the Ukranian people.. Americans? Not so much.

PastorBlast » 25 Feb 2023, 2:36 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 2:36 pm

I do think Zelensky cares about the future of the Ukranian people.. Americans? Not so much.

What on earth has zelensky ever done that makes you think he cares about anything but his sex life?

FOS » 25 Feb 2023, 2:37 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 2:37 pm

What on earth has zelensky ever done that makes you think he cares about anything but his sex life?

He has made some historic visits and speeches.  He led his forces to push back Russian forces out of occupiued territory.  A lot of it.

Zelensky is a democratic hero fighting autocracy.
 

Taipan » 24 Feb 2023, 2:22 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Feb 2023, 2:22 pm

Gee........
I wish that I knew what you were talking about.                          

THERE ISN'T MUCH YOU DO KNOW, FRUITCAKE

PastorBlast » 25 Feb 2023, 2:40 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 2:40 pm

He has made some historic visits and speeches.  He led his forces to push back Russian forces out of occupiued territory.  A lot of it.

Zelensky is a democratic hero fighting autocracy.

Lol you find his speeches inspiring?

Trumprules » 25 Feb 2023, 2:25 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 2:25 pm

There is a reason putin hasn't went there yet. And I'm betting it's because Biden told him the consequences of using tactical nukes in Ukraine. The gloves will come off

Now you prove you are ignorant .....
The reason Putin hasn't went there ....yet.
Has nothing to do with Biden or any threats from politicians mouths ....
Russia is making out like bandits right now ....Economically and is watching how western governments and their politicians are under the spell of the WEF and how the citizens of those countries are suffering a lot more than Russians are and hoping that the citizenry rebels against those those governments.
but the single biggest factor is ....no western government has had the balls to cross the line Putin put in place at the beginning of this .......
cross that line and see what happens .....


 

Majik » 25 Feb 2023, 2:44 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 2:44 pm

Now you prove you are ignorant .....
The reason Putin hasn't went there ....yet.
Has nothing to do with Biden or any threats from politicians mouths ....
Russia is making out like bandits right now ....Economically and is watching how western governments and their politicians are under the spell of the WEF and how the citizens of those countries are suffering a lot more than Russians are and hoping that the citizenry rebels against those those governments.
but the single biggest factor is ....no western government has had the balls to cross the line Putin put in place at the beginning of this .......
cross that line and see what happens .....

And why hasn't he gone ahead ; he's losing the **** war.
Maybe he knows that conventional or unconventional whatever NATO is quite capable of destroying Russia.
The destruction of Russia is what he keeps talking about so he must believe it huh.
Look at his speeches he says it over and over again the United States is out to dismember Russia.
A scared pipsqueak of a bully

He's got to keep his People pumped up with stories about the destruction of Russia when the real truth is he couldn't stand to have a prosperous democracy on his doorstep.
Russia is going to be just fine as soon as they get back to some semblance of democracy and root out some of their corruption; they have a lot of work to do.
Russia is corrupt
 

Majik » 25 Feb 2023, 12:46 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 12:46 pm

No, I'm on the right side ....Humanity's side....
While you support Evil ....and a fascist dictator like Zelensky as well as Biden whom wants ww3 just as bad as you do....
you are all **** lunatics cut from the same cloth....
 

Humanity stands for reasonable doubt governing generations still living in darkages belief systems and philosophies nobody can understand evolving in plain sight evolving themselves.

FOS » 25 Feb 2023, 2:42 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 2:42 pm

Lol you find his speeches inspiring?

Historic.  Inspiring isn't the right word.  I sense the urgency in his words.  It's a classic democracy vs autocracy battle. I thought humans were more grown up than this.

 

slideman » 25 Feb 2023, 2:48 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 2:48 pm

And why hasn't he gone ahead ; he's losing the **** war.
Maybe he knows that conventional or unconventional whatever NATO is quite capable of destroying Russia.
The destruction of Russia is what he keeps talking about so he must believe it huh.
Look at his speeches he says it over and over again the United States is out to dismember Russia.
A scared pipsqueak of a bully

Shut up.....lunatic....
Russia isn't losing .....
If they were ....
all of those NATO countries  would not be sending increasingly deadlier weaponry to the Ukraine ....nor would they be implimenting all of those sanctons that are not working .....
you are a fool .....
and fools get people killed ....

slideman » 25 Feb 2023, 2:54 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 2:54 pm

He's got to keep his People pumped up with stories about the destruction of Russia when the real truth is he couldn't stand to have a prosperous democracy on his doorstep.
Russia is going to be just fine as soon as they get back to some semblance of democracy and root out some of their corruption; they have a lot of work to do.
Russia is corrupt

More ruminations of a warmongering lunatic^^^^^^^^^

 

Taipan » 25 Feb 2023, 9:46 am » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 9:46 am

Vlad is very strong & very tough.
He was head of the KGB 30yr. ago.
He was a spy & a killer with ice-water in his veins.
He was like James Bond.....with a"License to Kill".
But,
He is not strong enough to stand against the entire world.
Or,......a unified NATO military force.
In WW II we were called "The Allies".
We defeated (by force) Adolf Hitler & the Nazi War Machine.
(Thank God)...........  
https://youtu.be/7MQ-SC9bmp4

that doesn't mean he won't try!  he always has a last resort.
Doesn't really matter if only half or a little more work.
The trigger will have been tripped.

Majik » 25 Feb 2023, 4:17 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 4:17 pm

More ruminations of a warmongering lunatic^^^^^^^^^

More ravings of the victim of Russian propaganda..