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Taipan » 26 Feb 2023, 11:24 am » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2023, 11:24 am

Ukraine is the innocent victim.
Why do you hate Ukraine?
Can you name any of their sins?                                                 

why do you want ukranians to die?

Trumprules » 26 Feb 2023, 11:23 am » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2023, 11:23 am

BS macro was in negotiations with putin for months before the invasion and Biden was not fooled lime you are clearly fooled by Russian disinfornation. Putin was promising macron that he wasn't going to invade right up to the day of the invasion. Once again you are not being an honest player in this discussion are easily led by the nose by disinformation.

"REVEALED: Zelensky Was Offered a Peace Deal to Prevent War, But Rejected It"



https://21stcenturywire.com/2022/04/04/ ... jected-it/

Taipan » 26 Feb 2023, 11:21 am » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2023, 11:21 am

Link ?

https://youtu.be/ZInRE-KryGA

https://21stcenturywire.com/2022/04/04/ ... jected-it/

roadkill » 26 Feb 2023, 11:28 am » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2023, 11:28 am

"REVEALED: Zelensky Was Offered a Peace Deal to Prevent War, But Rejected It"

https://21stcenturywire.com/2022/04/04/ ... jected-it/

from your link---It turns out that Scholz was in the process of brokering a deal and told Zelensky during his visit to the Munich Security Conference on February 19th, “that Ukraine should renounce its NATO aspirations and declare neutrality as part of a wider European security deal between the West and Russia,” and that “the pact would be signed by Mr. Putin and Mr. Biden, who would jointly guarantee Ukraine’s security.”Incredibly, Zelensky rejected the offer to make a concession by declaring NATO neutrality, and thus avoid a war with Russia, and claimed that, “Putin couldn’t be trusted to uphold such an agreement and that most Ukrainians wanted to join NATO.”

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also I wonder why biden insinuates that china wants to get involved and send weapons to russia when china already many times they did not want to send weapons to russia.

jerrab » 26 Feb 2023, 11:40 am » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2023, 11:40 am

from your link---It turns out that Scholz was in the process of brokering a deal and told Zelensky during his visit to the Munich Security Conference on February 19th, “that Ukraine should renounce its NATO aspirations and declare neutrality as part of a wider European security deal between the West and Russia,” and that “the pact would be signed by Mr. Putin and Mr. Biden, who would jointly guarantee Ukraine’s security.”Incredibly, Zelensky rejected the offer to make a concession by declaring NATO neutrality, and thus avoid a war with Russia, and claimed that, “Putin couldn’t be trusted to uphold such an agreement and that most Ukrainians wanted to join NATO.”

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also I wonder why biden insinuates that china wants to get involved and send weapons to russia when china already many times they did not want to send weapons to russia.

There will be peace when Russia withdraws to within its borders.
Simple isn't it

Trumprules » 26 Feb 2023, 11:29 am » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2023, 11:29 am

He wants Russia to stop killing Ukrainians. Why do you want Russians to continue to kill Ukrainians? Don't you want Russia to go home and quit killing Ukrainian babies.

Russia did not start this war, though...

FOS » 26 Feb 2023, 12:06 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2023, 12:06 pm

Russia did not start this war, though...

Right. I have a bridge for sale

Taipan » 24 Feb 2023, 12:25 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Feb 2023, 12:25 pm

War is very, very, expensive for all parties concerned.
Russia is bleeding.
Ukraine is bleeding.
NATO is bleeding.
USA is bleeding.

All of this is unnecessary.
When the 5 Mafia Families were at war with each other, they quickly learned that war
cuts deeply into profits.   So they called for peace, formed a Commission, & divvied-up
territory.     We can do the same for the Ukraine War.           For the exact same reason.
Peace is more profitable that war.!!

We are 'problem-solvers'.
Let's attacked the problem from 100 different angles.
I will propose 3 right now.
1.  The United Nations.  195 nations.    This......is their job.                 World Peace.
     Let's send in the Blue-Helmets & demand both tribes back-off to their own corners of the ring.
2. Send in the Christians.     Build 2 great Churches.    1 in Ukraine......and 1 in Russia.
    Bring in the Varsity Team.   The "A-Team" of Preachers, Ministers, & Priests from all over the
    world (like Billy Graham).      Preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ.........until Hell freezes over !!
3.  Unify all nations in the business world.    No more business with anyone who will not come
     to the table for Peace-Talks.   Sanctions.   Heavy-duty sanctions that can cripple any economy.

If we can go to the moon & and invent the internet.....then we can solve all problems here on Earth.
World Peace can be had......if we all play our cards right. 
Let's beat our swords,......into plowshares.       Wouldn't that make the Angels smile ?                   
https://youtu.be/FEAVWy1ILWo
   

This is globalist propaganda cloaked in good intentions

SJConspirator » 26 Feb 2023, 12:08 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2023, 12:08 pm

This is globalist propaganda cloaked in good intentions

Go to your closet and look at the manufacturing labels on your clothes and tell me you are not a globalist.

We have traded a slice of our sovereignty to China for cheap goods manufactured by semi-slave laborers.

slideman » 26 Feb 2023, 12:07 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2023, 12:07 pm

Right. I have a bridge for sale

It's funny to watch you scoffing when you clearly know absolutrly nothing about the history of this conflict.

FOS » 26 Feb 2023, 12:12 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2023, 12:12 pm

It's funny to watch you scoffing when you clearly know absolutrly nothing about the history of this conflict.

I know Russia invaded Ukraine and you claim otherwise.
Somebody is deluded and it's not me.

I know enough to know that Russia guaranteed Ukraine's sovereignty and security.
Of course Russia lies all the goddamn time so it's not surprising they went back on their word.

Trumprules » 26 Feb 2023, 11:46 am » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2023, 11:46 am

All Russia has to do is go home and stop killing Ukrainians. It's as simple as that.

....i hear your and fos's stinking rotten cia has been fomenting insurrection against russia inside ukraine for years.... they'll tell you dummies [and monetary ignoramuses] all about it after the same waiting period as the release of the pertinent jfk files!....   

 

I know about Russia and Putin enough to know Putin could not stand a prosperous european-oriented democracy on his doorstep.

It doesn't surprise me that you uphold an authoritarian anti-democracy fascist.
You are an extremely limited imagination. Not enough imagination to grasp what the founders gave us.

Trumprules » 26 Feb 2023, 12:19 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2023, 12:19 pm

Who are you talking to slidy.

Sorry I was still addressing FOS

SJConspirator » 26 Feb 2023, 12:08 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2023, 12:08 pm

This is globalist propaganda cloaked in good intentions

I think you are mistaken.
I think it is rugged individualism.
Ukraine is seeking to be like the nations of Western Europe.
Democracy, Freedom, & Capitalism.
Communism is a failed social experiment.
Ukraine does not want to dance to that tune any longer.

I remember when back in 1776, a young, strong underdog took on the roughest
dog in town......The British Empire.           
Did that underdog win?  (I think so).                             
The Patriot.
https://youtu.be/8kBKeCR4xiU

 

jerrab » 26 Feb 2023, 11:40 am » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2023, 11:40 am

from your link---It turns out that Scholz was in the process of brokering a deal and told Zelensky during his visit to the Munich Security Conference on February 19th, “that Ukraine should renounce its NATO aspirations and declare neutrality as part of a wider European security deal between the West and Russia,” and that “the pact would be signed by Mr. Putin and Mr. Biden, who would jointly guarantee Ukraine’s security.”Incredibly, Zelensky rejected the offer to make a concession by declaring NATO neutrality, and thus avoid a war with Russia, and claimed that, “Putin couldn’t be trusted to uphold such an agreement and that most Ukrainians wanted to join NATO.”

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also I wonder why biden insinuates that china wants to get involved and send weapons to russia when china already many times they did not want to send weapons to russia.

Zelensky is the one playing games.

I remember when back in 1776, a young, strong underdog took on the roughest
dog in town......The British Empire.
Did that underdog win? (I think so).
The Patriot.
The American Revolution lasted EIGHT YEARS, from 1776 to 1783.
Why did Cornwallis surrender at Yorktown?
Because the FRENCH NAVY was blockading the British from getting supplies.
Without the French, Mel Gibson could NEVER have won.

The French under Louis  XV spent so much on helping the Americans that France was bankrupted and tried raising taxes, which did not go well for them.