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nuckinfutz » 26 Feb 2023, 4:29 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2023, 4:29 pm

But , that is evading the issue! Get with it, Heinrich!    

lol im being quite direct about the issue. slideman is the one invading.

basically the usa FORCED russia to invade ukraine. Putin had no reasonable alternative. 

i think it is hilarious when leftists act like they are so angry about US coups and stuff in various countries in history...like chile...but when its ukraine they refuse to believe such things happen! lol...it is so hypocritical

slideman » 26 Feb 2023, 3:09 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2023, 3:09 pm

Go to Russia and speak against Putin and you will find Windows have a use which you are not familiar with.
Moron

you paint a picture of russians dressed in all black walking around desolate cities. any american who speaks against american presidents in person get thrown into jail immediately.
 
 

Trumprules » 26 Feb 2023, 5:20 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2023, 5:20 pm

You must not be American. That happens daily where I'm from. Which country are you a resident?

you see biden every day???

try shouting at biden in a parade and see what happens,

 

Trumprules » 26 Feb 2023, 5:47 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2023, 5:47 pm

No you stated that speaking out against your president in America will get you arrested. I've never seen that unless you are violent.

and it would get you arrested if a the fbi or a policeman would hear you.

Trumprules » 26 Feb 2023, 6:40 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2023, 6:40 pm

No not really. But we are getting away from the point of the thread. 

I don't want to get In a **** throwing contest with you. I want to dig deeper into why you think that Biden would not want peace?

why? because it makes him look like a hero, giving weapons to ukraine.

even before russia invaded all he said is that ukraine has a right to join nato and he will give weapons to ukraine, he made zero attempt at any peace, everything he said just pissed russia off even more.

Trumprules » 26 Feb 2023, 7:31 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2023, 7:31 pm

So you think Biden should of said I the president of a.erica bend to yoyr demands russia and ukraine will do whatever you demand please dont invade them. 

That doesn't make much sense in my view.

russia has a right to not want an enemy next door just like america has the right to not want enemies with weapons pointed at us next door to us.
 

jerrab » 26 Feb 2023, 7:35 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2023, 7:35 pm

russia has a right to not want an enemy next door just like america has the right to not want enemies with weapons pointed at us next door to us.

Enemy my *** they don't want a prosperous free democracy next door because the Russian people would become envious and get rid of tyrant Putin.

Trumprules » 26 Feb 2023, 7:33 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2023, 7:33 pm

Biden is not a hero in this story. Zelensky and the Ukrainian peoples desire to be free peoples are the heros.

YOU'RE IGNORANT FRUITY

Trumprules » 26 Feb 2023, 7:58 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2023, 7:58 pm

You're the uneducated one.

EVERYTHING IN YOUR POSTS INDICATE YOUR IGNORANCE, FRUITY.

 

slideman » 26 Feb 2023, 7:39 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2023, 7:39 pm

Enemy my *** they don't want a prosperous free democracy next door because the Russian people would become envious and get rid of tyrant Putin.

any proof of this?

Trumprules » 26 Feb 2023, 8:06 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2023, 8:06 pm

You haven't answered my question. What offers did putin give Ukraine beside we will not kill you if you don't give us more territory.

where was that quesrtion?

Trumprules » 26 Feb 2023, 8:09 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2023, 8:09 pm

What offers did putin give ukrain in order to not be invaded. What was putins conditions. Please enlighten me.

that  ukraine not join nato.
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https://afsa.org/did-nato-expansion-rea ... s-invasion

Twenty-three years later, President Putin has made Ukraine’s preliminary steps to joining NATO the principal grounds for the Russian invasion of Feb. 24, 2022. The alliance’s leaders have always made clear that it is up to each European country to make its own decision about membership. But the eastward expansion of NATO particularly inflamed Putin, who has claimed that Secretary of State James Baker and other Western leaders assured Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev in 1990, at the time a unified Germany joined NATO, that the alliance would expand “not one inch eastward.”George Kennan would surely have understood Putin’s reaction. The architect of the “containment” policy toward the Soviet Union wrote in 1997 that “expanding NATO would be the most fateful error of American policy in the entire post–Cold War era.” Kennan continued: “Such a decision may be expected to inflame the nationalistic, anti-Western and militaristic tendencies in Russian opinion; to have an adverse effect on the development of Russian democracy; to restore the atmosphere of the Cold War to East-West relations; and to impel Russian foreign policy in directions decidedly not to our liking.”
 

Trumprules » 26 Feb 2023, 8:03 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2023, 8:03 pm

Please enlighten me in your own words without a link from Russian news. If you can.

ENLIGHTEN YOU ABOUT WHAT, FRUITY? 
YOUR IGNORANCE IS BLISS

 
 

Trumprules » 26 Feb 2023, 8:17 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2023, 8:17 pm

Lol you're lost without your Russian news links. I can see you can't seem to do it on your own.

YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING OF THE HISTORY OF RUSSIA/UKRAINE.
YOU ATTEMPT TO TAKE BLIND SHOTS IN THE DARK ABOUT ISSUES YOU'VE NO CLUE ABOUT.
YOU'D BE BETTER AT A BASKET WEAVING FORUM 

 

Trumprules » 26 Feb 2023, 8:15 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2023, 8:15 pm

So Ukraine made a formal request to join NATO right before the invasion. Can you show me a link about Ukraine asking to join NATO.

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LVIV, Ukraine, Jan 11 (Reuters) - President Volodymyr Zelenskiy urged NATO on Wednesday to do more than just promise Ukraine its door is open at a July summit, saying Kyiv needs "powerful steps" as it tries to join the military alliance.

Trumprules » 26 Feb 2023, 8:32 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2023, 8:32 pm

Please point out anything that I said that is inaccurate in your view.

THAT WOULD TAKE TOO LONG. 
IF YOU BELIEVE AND POST ANY OF THE WESTERN PROPAGANDA , YOU'D BE INACCURATE
 

Trumprules » 26 Feb 2023, 8:15 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2023, 8:15 pm

So Ukraine made a formal request to join NATO right before the invasion. Can you show me a link about Ukraine asking to join NATO.

-----------------------------------------------------------Ukraine’s leaders in recent years have made enthusiastic pleas about their desire to bring the country into NATO — especially current President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, who was elected into office in 2019. His election came on the heels of a move by Ukraine’s parliament to enshrine the goals of joining NATO and the European Union into the country’s constitution in September 2018. Three years later, Zelenskyy sat in the Oval Office, meeting with President Joe Biden during an official visit to the U.S., and he told reporters he planned to press his American counterpart on the question of Ukraine’s “chances to join NATO and the timeframe." No timeline or further commitment came out of the meeting.

Trumprules » 26 Feb 2023, 8:09 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2023, 8:09 pm

What offers did putin give ukrain in order to not be invaded. What was putins conditions. Please enlighten me.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------In mid-December, Russia submitted draft documents outlining security arrangements it wanted to negotiate with the United States and NATO, as Washington for weeks had been seeking diplomatic solutions to deescalate from what U.S. officials were already calling the opening moves of a possible invasion.One of the Kremlin’s top demands near the top of the list: NATO should ban Ukraine from ever joining its alliance.While NATO, the U.S. and other allies rejected this demand — and have even downplayed the Ukraine-NATO issue as a reason for Russia's invasion — NATO also avoided adding Ukraine despite requests from the country to join over several years.

Trumprules » 26 Feb 2023, 8:15 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2023, 8:15 pm

So Ukraine made a formal request to join NATO right before the invasion. Can you show me a link about Ukraine asking to join NATO.

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https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/uk ... 023-01-11/

 Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy announced that his country would apply for fast-track membership to NATO.
 

Trumprules » 26 Feb 2023, 8:19 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2023, 8:19 pm

All putin did was scare the **** out of Finland and Sweden right into NATO. And it looks like Ukrainian might just become a NATO member after all this is said and done.

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https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/n ... -the-club/

s. Zelenskyy mentioned the cases of Finland and Sweden, which both support the continued open-door policy of NATO—having only recently decided to take advantage of it themselves. However, supporting NATO’s open-door policy and actually admitting Ukraine into the Alliance are very different things. NATO is not ready as a whole to act on Ukraine’s application.