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Trumprules » 25 Feb 2023, 11:27 am » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 11:27 am

In other words Russia with do it again and again till the prices is too high for the efforts. And giving them terrortory only rewards them for the actions. No deterence in gaining every time you attack Ukraine.

in other words other countries find that children's lives are more important than land.

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https://tvpworld.com/66571628/france-ge ... ictory-wsj

The American daily newspaper wrote that, although German, French, and U.K. officials “were careful to say that any decision on when and under what conditions any peace talks start is entirely up to Ukraine,” behind closed doors they are having doubts about whether “Ukraine will be able to expel the Russians from eastern Ukraine and Crimea”.
 

PARIS (AP) — Emmanuel Macron calls it “combat diplomacy.” The French president has vowed to make every effort to support Ukraine — including by hosting an international conference Tuesday meant to help the country make it through winter.

In the longer term, he believes talks with Russia will be needed to find a path to peace.


https://apnews.com/article/france-macro ... 6baa4e433d

Taipan » 25 Feb 2023, 8:50 am » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 8:50 am

USA & China.
Wouldn't it be nice if we could team-up
& bring a Truce to the hot war in Ukraine.?

"Peace can be had.....if we all play our cards right".                                    

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https://www.france24.com/en/video/20221 ... -be-smooth

Russia' leader Vladimir Putin has told China's President Xi Jinping he's keen to ramp up military cooperation this as he hailed the two countries' efforts to counter Western influence. Facing unprecedented Western sanctions over Moscow's assault against Ukraine, Putin is hoping to strengthen political, economic and military ties with China. Moscow's offensive in Ukraine is however a sensitive issue for Beijing, which has sought to position itself as neutral. Beijing has however offered diplomatic backing to its strategic ally Russia. FRANCE 24's Chief Foreign Editor Robert Parsons tells us more.
 

Trumprules » 25 Feb 2023, 11:41 am » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 11:41 am

The current will just die when Russia attack next time. The reward is more territory and more dead children in Ukraine. Because Russia will expect to gain more territory with more war crimes. Rinse and repeat till there is no Ukraine any more. And Russia only attacks countries they can roll and gain territory till they don't. I vote making this a lesson to the Russians that they will not gain territory or anything after killing babies this time.

biden's chink friends kill way more

Trumprules » 25 Feb 2023, 11:41 am » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 11:41 am

The current will just die when Russia attack next time. The reward is more territory and more dead children in Ukraine. Because Russia will expect to gain more territory with more war crimes. Rinse and repeat till there is no Ukraine any more. And Russia only attacks countries they can roll and gain territory till they don't. I vote making this a lesson to the Russians that they will not gain territory or anything after killing babies this time.

there is no crushing russia, so get that out of your mind. the leaders in europe know this, signed negotiations, a signed agreement would entail lifting some sanctions and if russia does not honor that then sanctions will be reinstated and weapons will be given to ukraine  again.
 

jerra b » 25 Feb 2023, 12:01 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 12:01 pm

there is no crushing russia, so get that out of your mind. the leaders in europe know this, signed negotiations, a signed agreement would entail lifting some sanctions and if russia does not honor that then sanctions will be reinstated and weapons will be given to ukraine  again.
 

Debunk The ideology, since it is only 106 years old Trademark.

jerrab » 25 Feb 2023, 12:01 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 12:01 pm

there is no crushing russia, so get that out of your mind. the leaders in europe know this, signed negotiations, a signed agreement would entail lifting some sanctions and if russia does not honor that then sanctions will be reinstated and weapons will be given to ukraine  again.

You spout nonsense. Russia is not an honest participant in the process of negotiation or they wouldn't be in Ukraine in the first place. They signed an agreement to respect Ukraine's sovereignty which they have abrogated. They cannot be trusted to honor any agreement at all.
We should send 200,000 troops with armor and air to Poland right now.
**** Russia and its aggression.
 
 

Taipan » 25 Feb 2023, 9:57 am » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 9:57 am

Vlad wants the USSR back.
He is willing to kill to get it.
Ukraine does not want to live on the Communist Plantation.
Ukraine wants to be like the nations of Western Europe.
Ukraine is seeking Democracy, Freedom, & Capitalism.

Shame on you for backing the darkness of Communism.
Shame on you for fighting against......Democracy, Freedom,
Capitalism, Christianity, the USA, and...."The Light of Heaven".                       

Shut up.....
If Putin actually wanted the USSR back he would not have allowed all of those former countries of the USSR to join the  EU/NATO in the last 30 years continually encroaching closer and closer to Russia's borders ...
In other words ....
You are parroting nothing but Anti-Russian propaganda .....BECAUSE YOU CANNOT VIEW THIS SITUATION LOGICALLY OR WITHOUT BIAS.
You say he is willing to kill to get back The USSR and you even ignorantly state that Russia is still a communIst country ....which is a lie .

Now let's discuss how this all started when Biden and Nuland under Obama destroyed Democracy in the Ukraine by committing a coup using Ukraines Nazi factions  that started this destabilization in that region and installed an anti-RussIan regime on Russia's doorstep.
Let's discuss how that regime started ethni​cally cleansing it's own citizens because they spoke Russian  and still looked upon Russia as an ally.
Let's discuss how an internationally observed referendum of Eastern Ukrainians chose to rejoin Russia for protection against  the ethnic cleansing ....and how now the organization's that were involved in monitoring that referendum are trying to rewrite history by calling that referendum illigitimate 9 years later .....because those organizations have all been subverted now by politics.
You claim that Zelensky is seeking Democracy for the Ukraine as well as freedom and capitalism .....
but in Reality what Zelensky has actually done is an affront to Democracy and Democratic values ....
Zelensky has destroyed any resemblance of Democracy in his country and no longer has a Democratically elected government or political sytem by doing what all dictators do which is outlaw, kill or jail his polical opponents and party's. ...FACT.
Zelensky has also outlawed the Russian Orthodox church the largest religious group in the Ukraine and is replacing it with a Made up state sponsored church.
Zelensky has also refused to evacuate all women, children and elderly from hot zones which are his human shields and fodder for propaganda ....
Zelensky has also put billions into funding P.R. and propaganda initiatives focused on the western world in conjunction with the western mainstream media which serves only one purpose .....too influence people like you ....and it has as is evident in your post.

but enough about Zelensky the West's manufactured Hitler-like Svengali 
let's discuss how The Ukraine and Zelensky is being used by western governments that have been subverted by The WEF and their New Liberal World Order and how it is all related as well as how keeping the Ukraine conflict perpetually going  negatively affects and subverts The western world which is part of the WEF Agenda.
Shame on you ...

slideman » 25 Feb 2023, 12:10 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 12:10 pm

You spout nonsense. Russia is not an honest participant in the process of negotiation or they wouldn't be in Ukraine in the first place. They signed an agreement to respect Ukraine's sovereignty which they have abrogated. They cannot be trusted to honor any agreement at all.
We should send 200,000 troops with armor and air to Poland right now.
**** Russia and its aggression.

You are the one spouting nonsense you little warmonger and enemy of humanity .....
It was the Ukraine that broke the Minsk agreement .....
and it was Biden and Nuland under Obama whom committed a coup on a Democracy to destabilize the region .....
**** you and your lies....
 

slideman » 25 Feb 2023, 12:10 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 12:10 pm

You spout nonsense. Russia is not an honest participant in the process of negotiation or they wouldn't be in Ukraine in the first place. They signed an agreement to respect Ukraine's sovereignty which they have abrogated. They cannot be trusted to honor any agreement at all.
We should send 200,000 troops with armor and air to Poland right now.
**** Russia and its aggression.

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https://washingtonmonthly.com/2022/02/1 ... -cold-war/


Declassified documents tell the story of how American officials led the Russians to believe that no expansion would be undertaken by NATO, then later nearly doubled the size of the alliance. Russian and American transcripts and summaries of high-level meetings, posted in recent years by the National Security Archive at George Washington University, record multiple assurances in the early 1990s.Some were explicit, others implicit and subject to interpretation. They were given repeatedly in various forms to Gorbachev, Russian President Boris Yeltsin, and other Russian officials by the highest American and European leaders, including President George H. W. Bush, Secretary of State James Baker, CIA Director Robert Gates, West German Chancellor Helmut Kohl, West German Foreign Minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher, British Prime Ministers Margaret Thatcher and John Major, French President François Mitterrand, and NATO Secretary General Manfred Wörner. 
 

Trumprules » 25 Feb 2023, 12:11 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 12:11 pm

Last I heard we have two divisions in Poland right now.

One low yield tactical nuke and those divisions are vaporized .
genius.
 

Majik » 25 Feb 2023, 12:24 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 12:24 pm

You are the one spouting nonsense you little warmonger and enemy of humanity .....
It was the Ukraine that broke the Minsk agreement .....
and it was Biden and Nuland under Obama whom committed a coup on a Democracy to destabilize the region .....
**** you and your lies....

You're on the wrong side of History fascist

slideman » 25 Feb 2023, 12:10 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 12:10 pm

You spout nonsense. Russia is not an honest participant in the process of negotiation or they wouldn't be in Ukraine in the first place. They signed an agreement to respect Ukraine's sovereignty which they have abrogated. They cannot be trusted to honor any agreement at all.
We should send 200,000 troops with armor and air to Poland right now.
**** Russia and its aggression.
 
 

You shout predetermined consensus that doesn't match kinetic evolving in real time at all. Deniers claiming people not taking their side liars. Liars calling other deniers hypocrits.
Stop circle jerking each other.

Majik » 25 Feb 2023, 12:27 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 12:27 pm

One low yield tactical nuke and those divisions are vaporized .
genius.

I'm sure we have communicated to Putin that any first use of nuclear weapons whatsoever will be construed as a direct attack on the United States.
He won't

jerrab » 25 Feb 2023, 12:27 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 12:27 pm

-------------------------------------------------------------Declassified documents tell the story of how American officials led the Russians to believe that no expansion would be undertaken by NATO, then later nearly doubled the size of the alliance. Russian and American transcripts and summaries of high-level meetings, posted in recent years by the National Security Archive at George Washington University, record multiple assurances in the early 1990s.Some were explicit, others implicit and subject to interpretation. They were given repeatedly in various forms to Gorbachev, Russian President Boris Yeltsin, and other Russian officials by the highest American and European leaders, including President George H. W. Bush, Secretary of State James Baker, CIA Director Robert Gates, West German Chancellor Helmut Kohl, West German Foreign Minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher, British Prime Ministers Margaret Thatcher and John Major, French President François Mitterrand, and NATO Secretary General Manfred Wörner.

Exactly.
and then Biden under Obama committed a coup overthrowing a democracy and destabilized the region knowing full well the response Russia would have .....
and I still remember how those European governments responded with disdain back then when their government's were not subverted by the WEF and their agenda.

slideman » 25 Feb 2023, 12:38 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 12:38 pm

I'm sure we have communicated to Putin that any first use of nuclear weapons whatsoever will be construed as a direct attack on the United States.
He won't

Legally if a NATO country directly attacks Russia ....Russia's response would be legally legitimate ....
 

Majik » 25 Feb 2023, 12:24 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 12:24 pm

You are the one spouting nonsense you little warmonger and enemy of humanity .....
It was the Ukraine that broke the Minsk agreement .....
and it was Biden and Nuland under Obama whom committed a coup on a Democracy to destabilize the region .....
**** you and your lies....

biden tries to let on that china wanted to  send weapons to russia  but biden threatened china,


https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/b ... a-97457969

jerrab » 25 Feb 2023, 12:41 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 12:41 pm

biden tries to let on that china wanted to  send weapons to russia  but biden threatened china,

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/b ... a-97457969

biden sucks chink dick

For eastern Europeans impatient for NATO membership, Clinton explained, “it’s part of being accepted by the West. But they also have security concerns. That’s where it gets complicated. They trust you, Boris … But they are not so sure what’s going to happen in Russia if you’re not around.” A prescient remark.

slideman » 25 Feb 2023, 12:27 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2023, 12:27 pm

You're on the wrong side of History fascist

No, I'm on the right side ....Humanity's side....
While you support Evil ....and a fascist dictator like Zelensky as well as Biden whom wants ww3 just as bad as you do....
you are all **** lunatics cut from the same cloth....