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Mrkelly » 09 Mar 2023, 5:22 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Mar 2023, 5:22 pm

Here is a copy and paste from Wikipedia 

In mainstream American politics, progressives generally advocate for a universal healthcare system, wage equity and labor rights, economic justice, social justice, opposition to the military–industrial complex, an increase in corporate regulation, the abolition of capital punishment, and action on climate change.

That last one - action on climate change - rings a bell.

Something, something, paris climate accords. 

And no, not everyone is stupid enough to still cling to climate hysteria, in the face of 7,264,119 proven lies. 

It takes a progressive or a retard. I know which one pre-eminent climate scientist greta thunberg is. Which one did you say you were?
 
 
 

Mrkelly » 09 Mar 2023, 10:32 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Mar 2023, 10:32 pm

in bidens case, it is a political move

he doesn’t care or even know what a progressive is

Whatever the MOTIVE - which is speculation, no matter how well founded, - the ACTION was progressive.

He's got ya on Paris. He'll always have Paris. 
 

Mrkelly » 09 Mar 2023, 6:47 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Mar 2023, 6:47 pm

that’s OK we don’t need your help 

but sooner or later, you or your kids will benefit from our work 

and that’s OK too

I haven't seen much from progressives since the 40s that is geared to help ordinary people.

Have you? What was it?
 

Cannonpointer » 09 Mar 2023, 10:41 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Mar 2023, 10:41 pm

I haven't seen much from progressives since the 40s that is geared to help ordinary people.

Have you? What was it?

Obamacare, of course.  The Interstate highway system, The disabilities act, an end to legal segregation

Cannonpointer » 09 Mar 2023, 10:41 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Mar 2023, 10:41 pm

I haven't seen much from progressives since the 40s that is geared to help ordinary people.

Have you? What was it?

I did see some during the primaries, after they were elected…. Poof they were gone

Mrkelly » 09 Mar 2023, 10:54 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Mar 2023, 10:54 pm

I did see some during the primaries, after they were elected…. Poof they were gone

Even the old jew sold out.
 

Xavier_Onassis » 09 Mar 2023, 10:45 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Mar 2023, 10:45 pm

Obamacare, of course.  The Interstate highway system, The disabilities act, an end to legal segregation

Ike oversaw the interstates.

Obamacare was a sell out - you have to PLAYING at being this stupid. It was WRITTEN BY THE INSURANCE LOBBY. 

The other two I will grant you. That's TWO, and the youngest is over 3 decades old. 
 

Cannonpointer » 09 Mar 2023, 11:24 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Mar 2023, 11:24 pm

Even the old jew sold out.

yup .. sad but true 

Mrkelly » 09 Mar 2023, 11:44 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Mar 2023, 11:44 pm

yup .. sad but true

I heard he did it to afford treatment for pyorrhea. I feel for the guy.

I mean, be honest - you can LOOK at him, without a medical degree, and diagnose it - amirite?
 

Mrkelly » 09 Mar 2023, 1:59 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Mar 2023, 1:59 pm

free education through high school   sure that’s progressive 

  Obama gave SOME  Americans some relief    

but he gave a boondoggle for big pharma, and the insurance companies

not a word about Medicare for All, or even the public option, ( that he promised) even tho he had both houses

and Biden has said that he would veto Medicare for All if it was put on his desk 

and a raise for federal employees is hardly a bill that helps all Americans make a living wage

  Greedy corporate America, love or leave it

  is that the best you got?

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So, you've proven how pathetically uninformed you are about an awful lot here. 
Illegals ARE GETTING FREE COLLEGE thanks to your idiot!
Is THIS not "progressive" enough to make even a dope like you happy?:

Do Illegal Immigrants Get Free College
College Info Digest By Jack E  September 15, 2021
  You can be an illegal immigrant and still go to college. To understand how this could work, consider the case of Chicagos Star Scholarship program, which has seen a number of undocumented immigrants attending community college for free.
The citys Star Scholarship program awards free community college scholarships to public school students who graduate high school with a B average and pass a college entrance exam. In 2017 and 2018, 21 percent of the programs scholarship winners were undocumented immigrants.  Illinois is an example of a state that will give in-state tuition and financial aid to DACA Dreamers.

And where's your response to the other dozen or so PROGRESSIVE POLICIES that Obama/Biden have put in place?
Do they not count if a radical like you doesn't acknowledge them?
Who died and left an idiot like YOU in charge of determining what is progressive and what is not?
 

Zeets2 » 10 Mar 2023, 10:01 am » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2023, 10:01 am

So, you've proven how pathetically uninformed you are about an awful lot here. 
Illegals ARE GETTING FREE COLLEGE thanks to your idiot!
Is THIS not "progressive" enough to make even a dope like you happy?:

And where's your response to the other dozen or so PROGRESSIVE POLICIES that Obama/Biden have put in place?
Do they not count if a radical like you doesn't acknowledge them?
Who died and left an idiot like YOU in charge of determining what is progressive and what is not?

  Dozen or so policies

you haven’t shown me any

if Illinois has some progressive programs, you can bet Biden had nothing to do with it

he don’t give a damn

Cannonpointer » 09 Mar 2023, 10:01 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Mar 2023, 10:01 pm

But the **** you named are not progressive. They are treasonous. They are deliberately intended to destroy. Biden was given the presidency - it was stolen for him. But he is no **** kind of a progressive. He's just a criminal agent of a foreign government.

And why can't Biden's policies be BOTH, progressive AND treasonous?

What makes them treasonous is the fact that they are UNCONSTITUTIONAL, as shown by Biden's flagrant attempt to absolve college students of their debt in defiance of the Constitution that has granted the power of the purse SOLELY TO THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.
What makes them progressive is how the liberal Democrat party has never stopped pushing for "social justice" by spending trillions in their legislation by their phony attempt to eradicate poverty.
 

Mrkelly » 10 Mar 2023, 10:07 am » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2023, 10:07 am

  Dozen or so policies

you haven’t shown me any

if Illinois has some progressive programs, you can bet Biden had nothing to do with it

he don’t give a damn

When you explain why every one of these policies is NOT progressive in nature, we've got something to debate.  
Till then, you've got nothing but your own idiotic beliefs that don't hold water!  How many of the progressive Democrats you vote for (including Biden) DISAPPROVE of any of these policies?
Bet you can count them all on one hand!:

You don't call the attempt to kill the fossil fuel industries in this country "progressivism"?
You don't consider forcing people to accept men dressed as women in school bathrooms, locker rooms, and showers to be "progressive"?
You don't think your demented idiot throwing hundreds of billions to fund millions of illegals being invited in to our country "progressive"?
You don't believe that men claiming to be women are being allowed to compete in women's sports "progressive"?
You don't believe nominating judges and cabinet members who are gay and transgendered to be "progressive"?
You don't think defunding the police and accepting record crime increases as the "new normal" to be "progressive"?
You don't think huge tax increases on the wealthy are "progressive"?
You don't believe that replacing equal opportunity with "equity" is "progressive"?
You don't believe that no-bail laws are "progressive" despite crime being out of control?
You don't see a VP and other politicians making donations for their bail to allow rioters to continue inflicting billions in damages to be "progressive"?
You don't see the Obama/Biden attempts to reach universal healthcare through Obamacare to be "progressive"?
You don't consider Biden's huge increases to the food stamp welfare program while taxpayers can't afford to buy food to be "progressive"?
You don't believe that massive subsidies for people to buy electric cars to be "progressive"?
 

Cannonpointer » 09 Mar 2023, 9:58 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Mar 2023, 9:58 pm

The little darling has a point, @Zeets2  

Are they not taking small bites out of the apple at every turn since establishing Obamacare and increasing the federal minimum wage to $15?
Those actions are PROGRESSIVE, whether they've yet achieved their ultimate goal of universal healthcare for all or not AND what they consider to be a "living wage", as their actions have filtered down into most Democrat states already!

A State of the States on the $15 Minimum WageMinimum Wage Facts & Analysis Friday, June 4, 2021

The national push to establish a federal $15 minimum wage awaits Democrats’ negotiations over the American Jobs Plan and decisions over how to use a reconciliation process to pass key proposals.

But in the meantime, states are pushing to raise their wages to $15 – and Delaware could be next. If passed, the state’s proposal would cost more than 10,000 jobs and more than $414 million in raised costs for employers.

Other states that have already enacted phase-ins of a $15 minimum wage include California, Connecticut, Florida, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Illinois, Maryland, and Rhode Island. Virginia may also raise its scheduled wage of $12 in 2024 to $15 by 2026 if re-approved by the General Assembly. The economists project these states hiking their wages to $15 over the next 6 years, could additionally lose over 223,000 jobs and present increased costs of over $12.5 billion to employers in these affected states.

The only point I see is the one on top of this dimwit's head!

Zeets2 » 10 Mar 2023, 10:18 am » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2023, 10:18 am

When you explain why every one of these policies is NOT progressive in nature, we've got something to debate.  
Till then, you've got nothing but your own idiotic beliefs that don't hold water!  How many of the progressive Democrats you vote for (including Biden) DISAPPROVE of any of these policies?
Bet you can count them all on one hand!:

You don't call the attempt to kill the fossil fuel industries in this country "progressivism"?
You don't consider forcing people to accept men dressed as women in school bathrooms, locker rooms, and showers to be "progressive"?
You don't think your demented idiot throwing hundreds of billions to fund millions of illegals being invited in to our country "progressive"?
You don't believe that men claiming to be women are being allowed to compete in women's sports "progressive"?
You don't believe nominating judges and cabinet members who are gay and transgendered to be "progressive"?
You don't think defunding the police and accepting record crime increases as the "new normal" to be "progressive"?
You don't think huge tax increases on the wealthy are "progressive"?
You don't believe that replacing equal opportunity with "equity" is "progressive"?
You don't believe that no-bail laws are "progressive" despite crime being out of control?
You don't see a VP and other politicians making donations for their bail to allow rioters to continue inflicting billions in damages to be "progressive"?
You don't see the Obama/Biden attempts to reach universal healthcare through Obamacare to be "progressive"?
You don't consider Biden's huge increases to the food stamp welfare program while taxpayers can't afford to buy food to be "progressive"?
You don't believe that massive subsidies for people to buy electric cars to be "progressive"?

  No

IF Biden does something progressive, it will be because he accidentally stumbled on to  it

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Mrkelly » 10 Mar 2023, 11:55 am » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2023, 11:55 am

  No

IF Biden does something progressive, it will be because he accidentally stumbled on to  it

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Yeah, right!   
He's "stumbled" into progressivism over a dozen times apparently, since you're unable to prove that everything on that list that he's stuck us with is NOT "progressive".

The fact is that ignorant radical libs like you DO NOT see any of those policies as progressive only because you're so far to the left that they all seem normal and perfectly centrist to anyone as blind to reality as you are!
 

Zeets2 » 10 Mar 2023, 12:03 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2023, 12:03 pm

Yeah, right!   
He's "stumbled" into progressivism over a dozen times apparently, since you're unable to prove that everything on that list that he's stuck us with is NOT "progressive".

The fact is that ignorant radical libs like you DO NOT see any of those policies as progressive only because you're so far to the left that they all seem normal and perfectly centrist to anyone as blind to reality as you are!

  Go ahead, keep telling me about the times dems nibbled on the edges of being a progressive 

it the new boogeyman for the powers that be  

we don’t have a progressive movement in this country, at least not by politicians 

watch what a REAL progressive thinks about that very fact

https://youtu.be/tcHmnGpqGhk
 
 
 

Zeets2 » 10 Mar 2023, 10:07 am » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2023, 10:07 am

And why can't Biden's policies be BOTH, progressive AND treasonous?

I suppose they arguably COULD. The bay bridge and hoover dam and blueridge parkway and TVA were progressive, but the blueridge parkway is known for its four seasons, not its four treasons. I can see where mistakes might be made.

Zeets2 » 10 Mar 2023, 10:07 am » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2023, 10:07 am

What makes them treasonous is the fact that they are UNCONSTITUTIONAL, as shown by Biden's flagrant attempt to absolve college students of their debt in defiance of the Constitution that has granted the power of the purse SOLELY TO THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.

Well, this nation's Constitutional Framers, in their wisdom, gave us the SCOTUS to address presidential tendencies to over-reach (we've had 46 with that tendency, to date). But there IS a certain charm in the notion of substituting posts and blindfolds for perverts in robes. The obvious problem which presents is that we can no longer offer the obligatory cigarette, in the face of the sturgeon menstrual's finding of severe health threats.

Zeets2 » 10 Mar 2023, 10:07 am » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2023, 10:07 am

What makes them progressive is how the liberal Democrat party has never stopped pushing for "social justice" by spending trillions in their legislation by their phony attempt to eradicate poverty.

Having recently witnessed the entire demonrat machine attack President Trump FROM THE RIGHT on Syria and other matters militaire - for example, his PROGRESSIVE policies toward NATO and his PROGRESSIVE protectionist tax policies, - it rings false when folks call the authoritarian statists in the demonrat party "liberal" OR "progressive."

I will grant that SO-CALLED progressives have attached themselves like sucker fish to the climate hoax and the gender hoax, and they have an ally in Biden. But blanket statements characterizing the demonrats as either liberal or progressive show ignorance of history, definitions, or both.

Just my opinion.
 
 
 

Zeets2 » 10 Mar 2023, 10:30 am » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2023, 10:30 am

Are they not taking small bites out of the apple at every turn since establishing Obamacare and increasing the federal minimum wage to $15?

Show me on the apple.

MY apple shows the minimum wage has done nothing but go down in real dollars from at LEAST as early as Ron Reagan onward (not worth a hoogle). Obama didn't bite that apple. Neither has Biden.

Zeets2 » 10 Mar 2023, 10:30 am » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2023, 10:30 am

Those actions are PROGRESSIVE, whether they've yet achieved their ultimate goal of universal healthcare for all

Who TOLD you that was their goal? AOC? You take her word on a lot of ****, do ya?

You a bernie bro, that you believe his rhetoric is honest? Obama had every opportunity to put medicare for all into effect. He went with something that benefitted wall street, instead - derp. Very "liberal" of him, huh? Very "progressive," yeah? It's kind of sad, that you are still believing their rhetoric. I mean, have they hypnotized you into ONLY hearing their rhetoric and never ONCE having the good sense to watch their actual **** moves? ACA was a **** GIFT. To WALL STREET, not the peasants. WAKE UP.

The little darling has a point, Zeets2.
 
 

Mrkelly » 10 Mar 2023, 12:33 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2023, 12:33 pm

  Go ahead, keep telling me about the times dems nibbled on the edges of being a progressive 

it the new boogeyman for the powers that be  

we don’t have a progressive movement in this country, at least not by politicians 

watch what a REAL progressive thinks about that very fact

https://youtu.be/tcHmnGpqGhk

You're claiming that the Democrat "squad" politicians are NOT progressive?!?!?
That makes it clear how warped and ignorant you truly are!
There are NONE as stupidly progressive as those hate-filled ****, who are no less progressive than the ignorant big-mouthed whores on The View!
And you have zero authority to deny that those claiming to be progressive such as those 4 and countless others are not, especially when determining such a subjective classification!