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Skans » 13 Mar 2023, 11:38 am » wrote: ↑

13 Mar 2023, 11:38 am

No.  I do not have to believe in per-determinism. I simply do not believe that all life, particularly that conceived of violence, torture, anger and rage, is innocent. I believe evil exists and that victims of evil deserve not to be judged by us should she decided to terminate the life created out of pure evil.

That's logically impossible. If the rapist is eveil, then that means his mother had to have been raped by an evil person also. That does not have to be the case. 

Vegas » 13 Mar 2023, 11:41 am » wrote: ↑

13 Mar 2023, 11:41 am

That's logically impossible. If the rapist is eveil, then that means his mother had to have been raped by an evil person also.

Evil can take many forms.  It is not limited to just one form.  Children from good parents can turn to evil. And, I would go so far as to say that a child born of rape can become a God-loving individual. But, that child was created from evil, regardless of what he or she may potentially become.  And, the woman/girl's plight cannot be ignored in favor of "life". 

My position is that such a woman/girl should not be forced to bear a child with the face of her own personal Satan. She should neither be shamed nor admonished into birthing such a child.  A person who attempts to shame or admonish a raped girl into birthing the child created from evil is doing the Devil's work. 

That is where I stand on this.  Sometimes, we each need to study God's word, and do our best to conclude for ourselves where we draw the line as to what is good and what is evil, what is justified and what is unjust, what deserves our sympathy and what deserves our wrath. 

 
 

Skans » 13 Mar 2023, 11:51 am » wrote: ↑

13 Mar 2023, 11:51 am

Evil can take many forms.  It is not limited to just one form.  Children from good parents can turn to evil. And, I would go so far as to say that a child born of rape can become a God-loving individual. But, that child was created from evil, regardless of what he or she may potentially become.  And, the woman/girl's plight cannot be ignored in favor of "life". 

My position is that such a woman/girl should not be forced to bear a child with the face of her own personal Satan. She should neither be shamed nor admonished into birthing such a child.  A person who attempts to shame or admonish a raped girl into birthing the child created from evil is doing the Devil's work. 

That is where I stand on this.  Sometimes, we each need to study God's word, and do our best to conclude for ourselves where we draw the line as to what is good and what is evil, what is justified and what is unjust, what deserves our sympathy and what deserves our wrath.

That thinking sounds more along the line of Midevil Europe when they spoke about witches. 

Vegas » 13 Mar 2023, 12:09 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Mar 2023, 12:09 pm

That thinking sounds more along the line of Midevil Europe when they spoke about witches.

You dismiss what I say because you believe all life, even a life conceived out of rage, horror, and brutality, i.e. Satan, is more sacred than the life of a truly innocent victim. You would perpetuate Satan's torture of the victim by forcing, or even encouraging, the victim to birth such a child.  Do you really believe that God expects a 15 year old girl who was beaten up and brutalized by a 35 year old thug, to birth that thug's child?  Would you stand outside of an abortion clinic and preach to such a child that she MUST carry her rapist's spawn to term?

And, then do what with it?  Have her pawn the Spawn of Satan off on some unsuspecting couple to raise that which she could not stand to put her eyes upon?  Is this how you interpret God's Word?
 

Skans » 13 Mar 2023, 12:26 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Mar 2023, 12:26 pm

You dismiss what I say because you believe all life, even a life conceived out of rage, horror, and brutality, i.e. Satan, is more sacred than the life of a truly innocent victim. You would perpetuate Satan's torture of the victim by forcing, or even encouraging, the victim to birth such a child.  Do you really believe that God expects a 15 year old girl who was beaten up and brutalized by a 35 year old thug, to birth that thug's child?  Would you stand outside of an abortion clinic and preach to such a child that she MUST carry her rapist's spawn to term?

And, then do what with it?  Have her pawn the Spawn of Satan off on some unsuspecting couple to raise that which she could not stand to put her eyes upon?  Is this how you interpret God's Word?

First, I wouldn't stand in front of an abortion clinic to preach anything. 

Second, we can't pick and choose, when it comes to the abortion argument. We can't say "well...sometimes it's okay, sometimes not." If so, you are putting yourself in the role of God. You are picking and choosing who gets to live and gets to die.  Once you start that path, you will have a hard time answering to other scenarios. 

Vegas » 13 Mar 2023, 10:35 am » wrote: ↑

13 Mar 2023, 10:35 am

This says nothing about pregnancy and abortion. Only rape.

Same with this. This says nothing about pregnancy and abortion. Only rape.

You are assuming the spawn of Satan is the unborn. Completely illogical. The unborn is no such thing, nor can they ever, in any logical capacity, be considered as Satan's spawn.

I think when some pedo rapes a little girl, he is acting on satin’s behalf (if there is a satin)

so yes, some of you want to punish the little girl by making her carry that devils kid in her body for 9 months, make her think about that **** every day, and forcing her to deliver his spawn 

Why would you want to do that? .. why do you want that **** pervert to have offspring?

be Careful, you might get you own “pedo sympathizer” name tag   

im willing to bet that if some little girl in your family got raped, you would be singing a whole different tune 

haven't seen the women on here chime in

whats your take on this. @sooted up Cyndi  ​​@Z09  ?  
 
 

Mrkelly » 13 Mar 2023, 12:35 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Mar 2023, 12:35 pm

I think when some pedo rapes a little girl, he is acting on satin’s behalf (if there is a satin)

so yes, some of you want to punish the little girl by making her carry that devils kid in her body for 9 months, make her think about that **** every day, and forcing her to deliver his spawn 

Why would you want to do that? .. why do you want that **** pervert to have offspring?

be Careful, you might get you own “pedo sympathizer” name tag   

im willing to bet that if some little girl in your family got raped, you would be singing a whole different tune 

haven't seen the women on here chime in

whats your take on this. @sooted up Cyndi  ​​@Z09  ?

Because it's completely illogical  to call an unborn evil. If you are going to go that route, then why not call the baby half good since it also came from the mother?

Vegas » 13 Mar 2023, 12:39 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Mar 2023, 12:39 pm

Because it's completely illogical  to call an unborn evil. If you are going to go that route, then why not call the baby half good since it also came from the mother?

it is illogical to force a child to relive that memory everyday, just so some unbalanced pedo can reproduce 

Vegas » 13 Mar 2023, 12:31 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Mar 2023, 12:31 pm

First, I wouldn't stand in front of an abortion clinic to preach anything. 
 

Nor would I.  Without knowing what each one of those women have been through, it is naive, presumptuous and possibly perpetuating, and not necessarily stopping, evil by doing so.

Second, we can't pick and choose, when it comes to the abortion argument. We can't say "well...sometimes it's okay, sometimes not." If so, you are putting yourself in the role of God.

Quite the contrary.  As man, we have been given free will to enact laws to protect women who have been raped or sexually manipulated and molested by a parent. In fact, we have a duty to protect those who cannot protect themselves.   We have a duty to protect women who have been raped or impregnated by their father.  We may not be able to stop the rape before it happens, but we sure as **** can say "no, we don't have to encourage such pregnancies to continue to birth".  This is in the realm of man, not God. God will judge us for what we have done or failed to do during our time on Earth - that is HIS realm.

You are picking and choosing who gets to live and gets to die.  Once you start that path, you will have a hard time answering to other scenarios.

No I am not.  I am permitting a girl to choose to terminate a pregnancy conceived out of hate, loathing, vile, and brutality.  I am permitting her to avoid a birth of a child who will bear the face of her vile torturer.  I am allowing her, as a victim, peace and solace in continuing with her life without the man-imposed burden of birthing a Statan-tainted life.

Once you start that path, you will have a hard time answering to other scenarios.

I am capable of taking each scenario one at a time and judging what to do.  That is what we are here on this Earth for in the first place.  We are all presented with scenarios and must decide for ourselves, what path is the right path.  Sometimes that path means making it easier for those who are victims of brutality to heal the physical and psychological wounds and go on living the best life they can.

I have heard ministers preach the "innocent child" gospel, a gospel that is wholly manufactured by them, by those who refuse to acknowledge Evil. There is no support for this in the Bible.  And, I submit there is no support for this in morality when it comes to a woman/girl who is brutally raped.

Mrkelly » 13 Mar 2023, 12:35 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Mar 2023, 12:35 pm

I think when some pedo rapes a little girl, he is acting on satin’s behalf (if there is a satin)

so yes, some of you want to punish the little girl by making her carry that devils kid in her body for 9 months, make her think about that **** every day, and forcing her to deliver his spawn 

Why would you want to do that? .. why do you want that **** pervert to have offspring?

be Careful, you might get you own “pedo sympathizer” name tag   

im willing to bet that if some little girl in your family got raped, you would be singing a whole different tune 

haven't seen the women on here chime in

whats your take on this. @sooted up Cyndi  ​​@Z09  ?

Me? i'm day dreaming.

i believe in the right to chose.  OOOO  only early on. I'm not neurotic on either side of this issue. Within reason. i think both sides take their points of view to the extreme.

In a case of a little girl- being raped. i would say she should have the right to one. As long as she has her parents permission. In a case of a guy with a bad seed.

problem with that is>>> little girls that get raped? The parents usually aren't the types- paying attention in the first place.
so my point of view is flawed.
 

Mrkelly » 13 Mar 2023, 12:43 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Mar 2023, 12:43 pm

it is illogical to force a child to relive that memory everyday, just so some unbalanced pedo can reproduce

I see you are ignoring my question. You did this last time also. I won't chase you around until you answer. I also won't continue until you do answer. 

Adios.

Vegas » 13 Mar 2023, 12:39 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Mar 2023, 12:39 pm

Because it's completely illogical  to call an unborn evil. If you are going to go that route, then why not call the baby half good since it also came from the mother?

well. in my travels.. i've noticed the bad seed is genetic. It runs in families.
so i would guess the baby would come out bad and be a curse on the planet.
Didnt you see Rosemary's baby.  

sootedupCyndi » 13 Mar 2023, 12:55 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Mar 2023, 12:55 pm

well. in my travels.. i've noticed the bad seed is genetic. It runs in families.
so i would guess the baby would come out bad and be a curse on the planet.
Didnt you see Rosemary's baby.

I have, it's been a while since I have seen it. Either way, I cannot buy into that. We all have choices in life. We can't blame our parents for everything. 

Vegas » 13 Mar 2023, 12:53 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Mar 2023, 12:53 pm

I see you are ignoring my question. You did this last time also. I won't chase you around until you answer. I also won't continue until you do answer. 

Adios.

what question?

you mean when you asked “why not call the baby half good"?

i thought that was a joke

i don’t consider the baby “half good”, I consider the baby a **** nightmare for the little girl that was raped by a monster

you want pedos to reproduce, I don’t 
 

why is @Pastafarian  hiding?

Vegas » 13 Mar 2023, 11:31 am » wrote: ↑

13 Mar 2023, 11:31 am

Then you have to believe in predeterminism for all. Not just the case of an unborn from a rapist. This means all of us have a predetermined destiny, regardless of our life choices. 

Called rule of law used against one's ancestry since dawn of civilization. Evey geographical area saving humanity or serving God, gods, extraterrestrial possibilities.

Every possibility now isn't eternity is another social narrative ignoring it always has been.

golfboy » 12 Mar 2023, 7:17 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Mar 2023, 7:17 pm

Except abortion laws have exceptions for this. 
Sorry, sucks to be you.

Except not on red states. Six week cutoff. 
 

Pastafarian » 14 Mar 2023, 1:09 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Mar 2023, 1:09 pm

Except not on red states. Six week cutoff.

Nope.  You bought the liberal lie.
The Indiana law that you are referring to, has exceptions that would have covered that little girl that got raped, and went out of state for an abortion - all so idiots like you could be manipulated. 
Why is it that you idiots don't have the ability, or intellectual curiosity to educate yourselves?
 
 

golfboy » 14 Mar 2023, 6:34 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Mar 2023, 6:34 pm

Nope.  You bought the liberal lie.
The Indiana law that you are referring to, has exceptions that would have covered that little girl that got raped, and went out of state for an abortion - all so idiots like you could be manipulated. 
Why is it that you idiots don't have the ability, or intellectual curiosity to educate yourselves?

What? @Pastafarian  not having command of the facts? Some things never change.

Pastafarian » 11 Mar 2023, 8:14 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Mar 2023, 8:14 pm

I’m sure every pro-life, high moral douchebag says yes.

Christian groomers don’t have a leg to stand on when it comes to morality.

No, and every anti-abortion law has exceptions for girls that this happens to.