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Nikki Haley and Mike Pence want to cut Social Security
Nikki Haley and Mike Pence want to cut Social Security
By Xavier_Onassis
14 Mar 2023 12:27 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
21 Mar 2023 12:02 pm
We will not tax out way out of this holejerrab » 21 Mar 2023, 11:57 am » wrote: ↑ america should lift the cap on how much money can be taxed for social security immediately.
right now anything over 169,000 is NOT taxed for social security.
21 Mar 2023 12:11 pm
What will that accomplish over all since the SS is used up already. Do you know how to compound a working ever changing total sum without zero based budgeting gimmicks?jerra b » 21 Mar 2023, 11:57 am » wrote: ↑ america should lift the cap on how much money can be taxed for social security immediately.
right now anything over 169,000 is NOT taxed for social security.
21 Mar 2023 12:19 pm
The statistics are pretty clear on the deficit.
Neither party will ever pay down the national debt.
Only one president ever ended his term in office with an actual surplus: Andrew Jackson, who did it by selling confiscated Indian property to slaveholders. There is no more land to sell.
Statistically, the Democrats have run up the deficit less than the Republicans, at least since the end of WWII, over 70 years ago. This is a FACT, you can look it up.
The Republicans of course are the ones that constantly complain about the country living beyond its means.
Most Americans prefer to get free stuff, especially the fatcats, who, for example, build real estate developments and force the government to pay for highways, streets, police schools and such, and claim that very expensive military weapons be built despite being obsolete, like pilot operated fighter aircraft.
Americans do not like dealing with economics or even hearing about economics. They enjoy being outraged when thy think that their taxes are paying for benefits to people they consider undeserving.
No one will ever pay off the deficit. It will continue to grow.
To oblige the people to pay off a debt is to force people to pay for something that produces no benefits for them (or anyone).
They will, as a result, pay interest on the debt, which is precisely paying for something that does not benefit them (or anyone).
21 Mar 2023 12:21 pm
Nostradamus'omh » 21 Mar 2023, 12:11 pm » wrote: ↑ What will that accomplish over all since the SS is used up already. Do you know how to compound a working ever changing total sum without zero based budgeting gimmicks?
this would add money to social security.
21 Mar 2023 1:54 pm
Well, Dr. Brokeback, you have certainly displayed the EXACT methodology that you and your side have turned us ALL into VICTIMS with your advancement of VICTIMHOOD for all!!!Xavier_Onassis » 21 Mar 2023, 12:19 pm » wrote: ↑ The statistics are pretty clear on the deficit.
Neither party will ever pay down the national debt.
Only one president ever ended his term in office with an actual surplus: Andrew Jackson, who did it by selling confiscated Indian property to slaveholders. There is no more land to sell.
Statistically, the Democrats have run up the deficit less than the Republicans, at least since the end of WWII, over 70 years ago. This is a FACT, you can look it up.
The Republicans of course are the ones that constantly complain about the country living beyond its means.
Most Americans prefer to get free stuff, especially the fatcats, who, for example, build real estate developments and force the government to pay for highways, streets, police schools and such, and claim that very expensive military weapons be built despite being obsolete, like pilot operated fighter aircraft.
Americans do not like dealing with economics or even hearing about economics. They enjoy being outraged when thy think that their taxes are paying for benefits to people they consider undeserving.
No one will ever pay off the deficit. It will continue to grow.
To oblige the people to pay off a debt is to force people to pay for something that produces no benefits for them (or anyone).
They will, as a result, pay interest on the debt, which is precisely paying for something that does not benefit them (or anyone).
When do I get the "reparations" for all this VICTIMHOOD you have bestowed on Americans??
Liberals are spoiled children, miserable, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic & useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats ~O'Rourke
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
21 Mar 2023 3:15 pm
It is a tust fund, no money is ever put into it. It is always been that way since it was founded. Simple IOU from Uncle Sam.
21 Mar 2023 3:48 pm
Xavier_Onassis » 14 Mar 2023, 6:03 pm » wrote: ↑ What Republicans would refuse to sign a SS cut passed by the GOP, tell us.
I do not think you can say that it is a lie, if he is referring to potential GOP candidates.
so far the ONLY people that have **** with SS is DEMS!
21 Mar 2023 3:49 pm
Xavier_Onassis » 14 Mar 2023, 12:27 pm » wrote: ↑ They have both announced that the retirement age should be raised and the payouts should be reduced.
Both of them are at the stage where they need to hit up their wealthy GOP contributors for the Big Bucks, and of course, the one thing that their fatcat buddies want to avoid is paying more into Social Security and Medicaid. Mitch is sitting on tons of money and not up the reelection. Trump also has a lot of funds, but Haley and Pence are not funded and have to convince the rich pals to contribute.
You are a goddamn, Sir.
21 Mar 2023 3:50 pm
Cannonpointer » 14 Mar 2023, 6:05 pm » wrote: ↑ What WILL fly? What SHOULD fly?
What was life expectancy when the beginning of benefits was put at 65?
What if anything SHOULD be done to secure the program's solvency into the future?
How do your ideas differ from those of Haley and Pence?
Dude, the MAIN reason it was set at age 65 is that the like expectancy was about 64.4. THAT, is why it's always been a scam.
21 Mar 2023 3:50 pm
You are goddanmn liar, Sir.
this is why wars break out.
21 Mar 2023 4:22 pm
So... Shut it down? Is that your answer?EDC4ALL! » 21 Mar 2023, 3:50 pm » wrote: ↑ Dude, the MAIN reason it was set at age 65 is that the like expectancy was about 64.4. THAT, is why it's always been a scam.
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21 Mar 2023 4:24 pm
Wait. You said something about people in their 20s, and work.Z09 » 14 Mar 2023, 4:19 pm » wrote: ↑ So people in their 20s whose life expectancy is longer might work longer?
Not the worst idea
Say that again - I got lost.
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
21 Mar 2023 7:28 pm
does that mean we don’t at least try? Wtf overXavier_Onassis » 21 Mar 2023, 12:19 pm » wrote: ↑ The statistics are pretty clear on the deficit.
Neither party will ever pay down the national debt.
Only one president ever ended his term in office with an actual surplus: Andrew Jackson, who did it by selling confiscated Indian property to slaveholders. There is no more land to sell.
Statistically, the Democrats have run up the deficit less than the Republicans, at least since the end of WWII, over 70 years ago. This is a FACT, you can look it up.
The Republicans of course are the ones that constantly complain about the country living beyond its means.
Most Americans prefer to get free stuff, especially the fatcats, who, for example, build real estate developments and force the government to pay for highways, streets, police schools and such, and claim that very expensive military weapons be built despite being obsolete, like pilot operated fighter aircraft.
Americans do not like dealing with economics or even hearing about economics. They enjoy being outraged when thy think that their taxes are paying for benefits to people they consider undeserving.
No one will ever pay off the deficit. It will continue to grow.
To oblige the people to pay off a debt is to force people to pay for something that produces no benefits for them (or anyone).
They will, as a result, pay interest on the debt, which is precisely paying for something that does not benefit them (or anyone).
21 Mar 2023 7:51 pm
This of course. is a blatant lie.Xavier_Onassis » 21 Mar 2023, 12:19 pm » wrote: ↑ Statistically, the Democrats have run up the deficit less than the Republicans, at least since the end of WWII, over 70 years ago. This is a FACT, you can look it up.
Look at spending/debt by which party controlled Congress. 80% of the debt came from democrats when they controlled Congress and spending.
21 Mar 2023 10:06 pm
.Xavier_Onassis » 14 Mar 2023, 12:27 pm » wrote: ↑ They have both announced that the retirement age should be raised and the payouts should be reduced.
Do you have a creditable link or did the tell teleprompter tell you that ?
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ultraliberals are not happy unless they are obsessing about something.
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21 Mar 2023 10:57 pm
here is one for nikki haleyMackTheFinger » 21 Mar 2023, 10:06 pm » wrote: ↑ .
Do you have a creditable link or did the tell teleprompter tell you that ?
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21 Mar 2023 10:59 pm
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https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/09/politics ... index.html
Council Bluffs, Iowa (CNN)Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley is calling for changing the retirement age for Americans currently in their 20s and limiting Social Security and Medicare benefits for wealthier Americans, staking out a position on the politically controversial issue of entitlement reform that's already been the subject of attacks from former President Donald Trump.
"What you would do is, for those in their 20s coming into the system, we would change the retirement age so that it matches life expectancy," Haley said Thursday on Fox News.
When pressed for what specific new retirement age she supports, the former South Carolina governor said, "It's the new ones coming in. It's those in their 20s that are coming in. You're coming to them and you're saying, the game has changed. We're going to do this completely differently."
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/09/politics ... index.html
Council Bluffs, Iowa (CNN)Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley is calling for changing the retirement age for Americans currently in their 20s and limiting Social Security and Medicare benefits for wealthier Americans, staking out a position on the politically controversial issue of entitlement reform that's already been the subject of attacks from former President Donald Trump.
"What you would do is, for those in their 20s coming into the system, we would change the retirement age so that it matches life expectancy," Haley said Thursday on Fox News.
When pressed for what specific new retirement age she supports, the former South Carolina governor said, "It's the new ones coming in. It's those in their 20s that are coming in. You're coming to them and you're saying, the game has changed. We're going to do this completely differently."
22 Mar 2023 1:05 am
We should just cut it off from anyone who didn't pay net federal income taxes their entire lifetime.Xavier_Onassis » 14 Mar 2023, 12:27 pm » wrote: ↑ They have both announced that the retirement age should be raised and the payouts should be reduced.
Both of them are at the stage where they need to hit up their wealthy GOP contributors for the Big Bucks, and of course, the one thing that their fatcat buddies want to avoid is paying more into Social Security and Medicaid. Mitch is sitting on tons of money and not up the reelection. Trump also has a lot of funds, but Haley and Pence are not funded and have to convince the rich pals to contribute.
It's not an unearned entitlement, asshole. Now, **** OFF.
22 Mar 2023 1:25 am
People who paid social are entitled to social - that's pretty basic contract law.Str8tEdge » 22 Mar 2023, 1:05 am » wrote: ↑ We should just cut it off from anyone who didn't pay net federal income taxes their entire lifetime.
It's not an unearned entitlement, asshole. Now, **** OFF.
You're on the verge of having F. Lee Failey give you an education in juris, Prudence.
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
22 Mar 2023 10:29 am
No. Actually I think that you need to raise the retirement age for people that are under 38, to 68 or 69. Millennials are now the largest age group. They need to pay more in. The Gen Z'ers need to pay a couple MORE %, than the Millennials. They are smaller in number, but will be in the work force the longest. I'm not an actuary so I don't know the exact numbers, but it really dosen't matter, because if MORE money doesn't come from these age groups, then it will fail. I would also add a provision that people could invest some of that money (It's theirs after all). Let's say a 25%/75% split. A Gen Zer investing 25% of that tax money in something other than the government won't NEED S.S. once they retire. There isn't enough tax money from the rich (you could take all their money and it wouldn't be enough) to stabilize S.S. , pay for Medicare for All, Green New ****, Free Education, Black Slavery Handouts, studies on Australian Wombats sexual habits while on peyote buttons.........
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