Liberal Forum

Cannonpointer » 29 Jul 2014 5:25 am » wrote:The debunked pretense that capitalism desires or even tolerates free markets is given the lie by the Singapores and the Chiles of this world. The "freer" capital, the more the PEOPLE are enslaved.

The economy of Chile is ranked as a high-income economy by the World Bank,[9] and is considered one of South America's most stable and prosperous nations,[10] leading Latin American nations in competitiveness, income per capita, globalization, economic freedom, and low perception of corruption.[11] However, it has a high economic inequality, as measured by the Gini index,[12] ....

According to the CIA World Factbook, during the early 1990s, Chile's "reputation as a role model for economic reform" was strengthened when the democratic government of Patricio Aylwin, who took over from the military in 1990, deepened the economic reform initiated by the military government. Growth in real GDP averaged 8% from 1991–1997,[citation needed] but fell to half that level in 1998 because of tight monetary policies (implemented to keep the current account deficit in check) and because of lower export earnings, the latter which was a product of the Asian financial crisis. Chile's economy has since recovered and has seen growth rates of 5-7% over the past several years.[citation needed]

After a decade of impressive growth rates, Chile began to experience a moderate economic downturn in 1999, brought on by unfavorable global economic conditions related to the Asian financial crisis, which began in 1997. The economy remained sluggish until 2003, when it began to show clear signs of recovery, achieving 4.0% real GDP growth.[18] The Chilean economy finished 2004 with growth of 6.0%. Real GDP growth reached 5.7% in 2005 before falling back to 4.0% in 2006. GDP expanded by 5.1% in 2007.[19]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Chile

Cannonpointer » 29 Jul 2014 5:25 am » wrote:Capitalism did not invent the free market. Indeed, it is the sworn enemy of it.

Full Definition of CAPITALISM
: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/capitalism

RichClem » 29 Jul 2014 10:40 am » wrote: The psychotic who rejects my sources on the basis of nothing is attempting to define what "Capitalism" is.

Certainly there are degrees of it, including the generally liberal-recommended Crony Capitalism with its infamous public-private partnerships that benefit Special Interests and often dangerously combine the power of Big Government and Big Business.

But what is theoretical "Capitalism?" Ideally:
Gosh, doesn't look like they're "sworn enemies" to me.

Looks like under ideal circumstances they're the same thing.

littlehawk12 » 29 Jul 2014 11:22 am » wrote:What is this, musical threads on Singapore, where CP gets his all kicked in one thread so he runs and starts another? LOL

But wait! I thought CP thought Singapore was this great socialist utopia to be hailed from sea to shining sea! Now it's authoritarian capitalism? lol Make up your **** mind, Cannonhomo! hahaha

Annoyed Liberall » 29 Jul 2014 11:24 am » wrote: Cannon has never wavered in his views on this.

Rich is the one who is all over the place.

littlehawk12 » 29 Jul 2014 11:27 am » wrote: Well, whatever. If you consider **** healthcare, skyrocketing poverty, and $5 dollars a day to feed your family on a great success, then I reckon Singapore is a good place for ya.

Annoyed Liberall » 29 Jul 2014 11:35 am » wrote:That's exactly what Rich is saying. He is saying Singapore is one of the best countries in the world. lol

Str8tEdge » 29 Jul 2014 5:46 am » wrote: If you have a complaint with how the economists of the Heritage Foundation rank the countries, perhaps you should file a formal grievance. I'm sure they'll take you just as seriously as we have!

Annoyed Liberall » 29 Jul 2014 11:35 am » wrote: That's exactly what Rich is saying. He is saying Singapore is one of the best countries in the world. lol

RichClem » 29 Jul 2014 11:43 am » wrote: Can you quote me saying that? No?

Then you're just lying, like you do so often.

I said it was one of the economically freest and that its citizens went from dire poverty to prosperity; that to the degree it follows economic and political freedom, it deserves praise.

Annoyed Liberall » 29 Jul 2014 11:59 am » wrote: Really? All it's citizens? You also said they all retire with a million dollars. I proved you wrong and you never addressed it.
88% of the population lives in government housing. lol

RichClem » 29 Jul 2014 12:07 pm » wrote: Where did I say "they all retire with a million dollars?"

Can you quote me? No? Didn't think so.

Nor did I see you prove anything, other than that you're a silly twit.

Annoyed Liberall » 29 Jul 2014 12:09 pm » wrote:Of course you didn't see it. smh

You said it in another Singapore thread.

Singapore is not free because they are quote socialized. You said yourself that free=not socialist.

RichClem » 29 Jul 2014 12:14 pm » wrote: Between your idiocy and your dishonesty, it's not worth the time to respond.

Have a nice little moonbat life.

littlehawk12 » 29 Jul 2014 11:27 am » wrote:
Well, whatever. If you consider **** healthcare, skyrocketing poverty, and $5 dollars a day to feed your family on a great success, then I reckon Singapore is a good place for ya.

RichClem » 27 Jul 2014 8:06 am » wrote: The US until recently was the freest country on the planet, i.e. the least Socialist.

Annoyed Liberall » 24 Jul 2014 2:56 pm » wrote:Hmmmm.....
Another chink the Heritage Foundation armor

Annoyed Liberall » 25 Jul 2014 9:29 am » wrote: Clem, you accepted this definition.

Singapore regularly confiscates and redistributes property. They have huge entitlements. They have a minimum wage. They own almost 90% of the housing in the country. They have socialized health care. They compel their citizens to vote. They compel their citizens to save money in a government account. They may have lowered tax rates in one area, but they made up for it with their new GST @ 7%.

All of this fits the description.