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FOS » 18 Apr 2023, 2:37 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Apr 2023, 2:37 pm

what you are suggesting is called anarchy

  Government for the individual citizen by the individual citizen instead of feudal monarchy is what happened, individual freedom of thought. speech and religion.  The early Americans were not funding corporation groups and separating people into different groups with different subsidies payments and different subsidies rules or they them self's would have been enslaved to a new cloaked feudal monarchy.

USA citizens were disconnected from any kind of legal ownership by a king or corporation group.

In 1783 the owner of the people inhabiting what was to become the fully recognized country, the United States of America were released from >>>>>subject status, chattel property<<<<<<<<<, of former owner King George. The 1783 Treaty of Peace recognized the People as Sovereigns in our own right on the land.

The Kings former governments as the Kings property transferred to the Peoples ownership as did the Kings ownership over the land."



 

Bob » 19 Apr 2023, 7:30 am » wrote: ↑

19 Apr 2023, 7:30 am

  Government for the individual citizen by the individual citizen instead of feudal monarchy is what happened, individual freedom of thought. speech and religion.  The early Americans were not funding corporation groups and separating people into different groups with different subsidies payments and different subsidies rules or they them self's would have been enslaved to a new cloaked feudal monarchy.

USA citizens were disconnected from any kind of legal ownership by a king or corporation group.

In 1783 the owner of the people inhabiting what was to become the fully recognized country, the United States of America were released from >>>>>subject status, chattel property<<<<<<<<<, of former owner King George. The 1783 Treaty of Peace recognized the People as Sovereigns in our own right on the land.

The Kings former governments as the Kings property transferred to the Peoples ownership as did the Kings ownership over the land."

no. The early usa was not merely a bunch of individuals. They were not subjects to a king...but the glue that held them together was nationalism. Laws were created that applied to all members of this collective....and yes that was absolutrly mandatory. A person cannot live in the usa and 'opt out' of thr law against murder.

in contrast what you are describing is simply anarchy.

FOS » 19 Apr 2023, 12:33 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Apr 2023, 12:33 pm

no. The early usa was not merely a bunch of individuals. They were not subjects to a king...but the glue that held them together was nationalism. Laws were created that applied to all members of this collective....and yes that was absolutrly mandatory. A person cannot live in the usa and 'opt out' of thr law against murder.

in contrast what you are describing is simply anarchy.

  They were individual subjects of the old world king-kings, owned by the King as serf-peonage and subjected to various monarchical rule (no speech, no back talk, comply or die).  They successfully removed monarchical legal ownership rights and legally transferred the Kings ownership over to the individual citizen who acquired and enjoyed various sovereign rights protected by law. The new sovereign rights were meant to transfer over to each individual citizen not just a small group.

  The declaration of independence was a legal complaint, self ownership-self government is not anarchy.  Individual contract rights were protected, if you thought that you need protection from people who do not have auto insurance you negotiate an individual insurance contract for the insurance coverage protection.  An insurance person/persons does not get new special separated feudal-tribal monarchy rule powers that require everyone to buy auto insurance or suffer, excessive fees, fines, hyper inflating insurance rates and or jail time because everyone has the same individual contract rules including the insurance person/persons. 

 
   

Bob » 21 Apr 2023, 9:15 am » wrote: ↑

21 Apr 2023, 9:15 am

  They were individual subjects of the old world king-kings, owned by the King as serf-peonage and subjected to various monarchical rule (no speech, no back talk, comply or die).  They successfully removed monarchical legal ownership rights and legally transferred the Kings ownership over to the individual citizen who acquired and enjoyed various sovereign rights protected by law. The new sovereign rights were meant to transfer over to each individual citizen not just a small group.

  The declaration of independence was a legal complaint, self ownership-self government is not anarchy.  Individual contract rights were protected, if you thought that you need protection from people who do not have auto insurance you negotiate an individual insurance contract for the insurance coverage protection.  An insurance person/persons does not get new special separated feudal-tribal monarchy rule powers that require everyone to buy auto insurance or suffer, excessive fees, fines, hyper inflating insurance rates and or jail time because everyone has the same individual contract rules including the insurance person/persons.

self government is anarchy