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Bill Clinton's 850,000 payment to Jones was a settlement. Not hush money payments. Old roadkill at it again. Why lie?
Bill Clinton's 850,000 payment to Jones was a settlement. Not hush money payments. Old roadkill at it again. Why lie?
By 31st Arrival
17 Apr 2023 5:44 am in No Holds Barred Political Forum
17 Apr 2023 12:08 pm
Victimless as in a minor traffic infraction such as a parking ticket or seat belt ticket?
17 Apr 2023 12:13 pm
You're saying there is a victim in this case and that victim is Trump?
17 Apr 2023 12:21 pm
Well it makes sense if you think about it.
You have a lawyer who is violating the lawyer client confidentiality.
You have a prostitute who broke her NDA contract.
And you have a state district attorney charging a 2024 Presidential candidate with a federal crime.
Looks like Trump is the victim in this victimless case.
17 Apr 2023 12:37 pm
Why is the southern border wide open? Oh they legislated new laws to contradict previous ones not removed. Almost like Sharia Law.
17 Apr 2023 12:38 pm
What law was broken?Trumprules » 17 Apr 2023, 12:29 pm » wrote: ↑ Nah you don't get client confidentiality if the lawyer and you are both breaking the law.
17 Apr 2023 1:04 pm
So you're saying that Fat Alvin should be prosecuted for impersonating a federal prosecutor?Trumprules » 17 Apr 2023, 12:51 pm » wrote: ↑ Dude you can easily look that up. I'm not going to be your Google. You know what he is charged with.
17 Apr 2023 1:15 pm
You're a man of the law, right? And nobody's above it, correct?
Fat Alvin is impersonating a federal prosecutor. You don't agree that he should be disbarred and charged with making a false arrest?
17 Apr 2023 1:27 pm
Should people be charged for violating a court ruling?
Example: if a court rules that someone not be within 500 ft. Of another person and that person violates that ruling on purpose should they be prosecuted and jailed?
17 Apr 2023 1:37 pm
Is Fat Alvin a Federal prosecutor?Trumprules » 17 Apr 2023, 1:30 pm » wrote: ↑ How does that make Bragg a impersonator of a federal prosecutor?
17 Apr 2023 1:46 pm
So you admit he cannot prosecute federal campaign finance violations?
17 Apr 2023 1:50 pm
He cannot prosecute federal crimes because he is not a federal prosecutor.
Any federal judge right now can dismiss this case and Fat Alvin wouldn't be able to do a damn thing about it.
17 Apr 2023 2:02 pm
Trumprules » 17 Apr 2023, 1:52 pm » wrote: ↑ Last week, we learned Donald Trump had been charged with a crime. Now we know the former US president faces 34 counts of falsifying business records.Although falsifying records are usually treated as lesser misdemeanours, Mr Trump is accused of committing felony offences. That denotes a more serious crime, which could include prison time if a maximum sentence is given."At its core, this case today is one with allegations like so many of our white-collar cases," New York City District Attorney Alvin Bragg said of the charges his office has brought against the former president. "Allegations that someone lied, again and again, to protect their interests and evade the laws to which we are all held accountable."Mr Trump - who pleaded not guilty to all the charges - insisted after leaving the courthouse that there was no case to answer. "There was nothing done illegally!" he posted on his social media website.That, however, will be for a jury to decide. In the meantime, here are the details of the historic first-ever criminal indictment of a former president.
Mr Bragg alleges that Mr Trump falsified the true nature of the payments because those payments were made in support of a crime. While hush-money payments are not by themselves illegal, spending money to help a presidential campaign but not disclosing it violates federal campaign finance law.
Again, it's Fat Alvin, a federal prosecutor?
17 Apr 2023 2:20 pm
Trump's not an appraiser. Can you walk into a bank and tell the banker that your trailer's worth $1.5 million and take out a loan against it?Trumprules » 17 Apr 2023, 2:06 pm » wrote: ↑ If Trump overvalued his property to steal from a bank should he be charged with a crime?
17 Apr 2023 2:38 pm
Fat Alvin alleges that the first crime Donald Trump committed occurred on February 14, 2017.Trumprules » 17 Apr 2023, 2:25 pm » wrote: ↑ New York's case against Mr Trump hinges on how Cohen was compensated for those hush-money payments.In 2017, after becoming president, Mr Trump met with Cohen in the White House. Shortly thereafter - and over the course of 10 months - Mr Trump began sending cheques from a trust handling his assets, and later from his own bank account, to Cohen.Those cheques were registered as "legal fees," but Cohen says they were, in fact, reimbursements for the hush-money payment.The prosecution case states: The payment records, kept and maintained by the Trump Organization, were false New York business records. In truth, there was no retainer agreement, and Lawyer A was not being paid for legal services rendered in 2017. The Defendant caused his entities' business records to be falsified to disguise his and others' criminal conduct.
Are you seeing the problem here?
There may not be enough space in the mega-verse to describe the sundry flaws in the Manhattan district attorney’s indictment against the former president of the United States.
It fails, despite its 34 counts, to state a crime. It is time-barred under the statute of limitations.Fat Alvin is attempting to enforce either federal election laws that a state prosecutor lacks jurisdiction to enforce or state election laws that do not apply to US presidential elections.The DA’s biggest problem, however, is that his indictment is utterly incoherent.
17 Apr 2023 2:51 pm
Trumprules » 17 Apr 2023, 2:39 pm » wrote: ↑ Sp its not the hush money payments like you said but how it was done. So Bragg is charging a crime on how it was done.
But since Fat Alvin well knows, however much it grates on him, that NDAs are not crimes, the DA is left to make up crimes to fit his fever dream of a stolen 2016 election.
He tries to do this by taking a single transaction — Trump’s reimbursement to Michael Cohen of the $130,000 Cohen paid to Stormy Daniels to stay mum about an alleged 2006 fling — and ludicrously slicing it into 34 transactions, each of which he brands as felony falsification of business records.
17 Apr 2023 3:01 pm
The transaction in question may have been accounted for inaccurately. It was the reimbursement of a loan from a lawyer, but it was booked to look as if legal fees had been paid.Trumprules » 17 Apr 2023, 2:52 pm » wrote: ↑ Illegal filing in a commission of a crime. Not the campaign finance stuff.
But no one was harmed by this. These were records of Trump’s own privately held companies, and even Fat Alvin does not claim that Trump committed tax evasion or cheated someone out of money or property.
Leave all that aside, though. Even if this bookkeeping amounted to fraud crimes that Fat Alvin could prove (and it doesn’t), the transactions in question could not possibly have had the slightest impact on the 2016 election. They didn’t occur until months later — specifically, from February 14 through December 5, 2017.
What’s more, even if Fat Alvin had jurisdiction to enforce federal campaign finance law (he doesn’t), and even if Fat Alvin were correct that the hush-money payments were in-kind campaign contributions that had to be disclosed to the Federal Election Commission (he isn’t), the NDAs he alleges happened late in the 2016 campaign cycle.
That means Trump’s campaign would not have had to make an FEC disclosure until several months into 2017. Again, there could not conceivably have been any impact on the 2016 election.
17 Apr 2023 3:05 pm
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17 Apr 2023 3:11 pm
Trumprules » 17 Apr 2023, 3:05 pm » wrote: ↑ He doesn't that's why your talking point is off base and why I never heard of such crime being prosecuted by Bragg. But here you are making claims that he is.
17 Apr 2023 3:32 pm
Fat Alvin has nothing. What crime was committed?
17 Apr 2023 4:05 pm
LoL! Again, Fat Alvin is not a federal prosecutorTrumprules » 17 Apr 2023, 3:13 pm » wrote: ↑
Manhattan District Attorney Alvin L. Bragg, Jr. today announced the indictment of DONALD J. TRUMP, 76, for falsifying New York business records in order to conceal damaging information and unlawful activity from American voters before and after the 2016 election. During the election, TRUMP and others employed a “catch and kill” scheme to identify, purchase, and bury negative information about him and boost his electoral prospects. TRUMP then went to great lengths to hide this conduct, causing dozens of false entries in business records to conceal criminal activity, including attempts to violate state and federal election laws.
TRUMP is charged in a New York State Supreme Court indictment with 34 counts of Falsifying Business Records in the First Degree.
“The People of the State of New York allege that Donald J. Trump repeatedly and fraudulently falsified New York business records to conceal crimes that hid damaging information from the voting public during the 2016 presidential election,” said District Attorney Bragg. “Manhattan is home to the country’s most significant business market. We cannot allow New York businesses to manipulate their records to cover up criminal conduct. As the Statement of Facts describes, the trail of money and lies exposes a pattern that, the People allege, violates one of New York’s basic and fundamental business laws. As this office has done time and time again, we today uphold our solemn responsibility to ensure that everyone stands equal before the law.”
According to court documents and statements made on the record in court, from August 2015 to December 2017, TRUMP orchestrated his “catch and kill” scheme through a series of payments that he then concealed through months of false business entries.
In one instance, American Media Inc. (“AMI”), paid $30,000 to a former Trump Tower doorman, who claimed to have a story about a child TRUMP had out of wedlock.
In a second instance, AMI paid $150,000 to a woman who alleged she had a sexual relationship with TRUMP. When TRUMP explicitly directed a lawyer who then worked for the Trump Organization as TRUMP’s Special Counsel (“Special Counsel”) to reimburse AMI in cash, the Special Counsel indicated to TRUMP that the payment should be made via a shell company and not by cash. AMI ultimately declined to accept reimbursement after consulting their counsel. AMI, which later admitted its conduct was unlawful in an agreement with federal prosecutors, made false entries in its business records concerning the true purpose of the $150,000 payment.
In a third instance – 12 days before the presidential general election – the Special Counsel wired $130,000 to an attorney for an adult film actress. The Special Counsel, who has since pleaded guilty and served time in prison for making the illegal campaign contribution, made the payment through a shell corporation funded through a bank in Manhattan.
After winning the election, TRUMP reimbursed the Special Counsel through a series of monthly checks, first from the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust – created in New York to hold the Trump Organization’s assets during TRUMP’s presidency – and later from TRUMP’s bank account. In total, 11 checks were issued for a phony purpose. Nine of those checks were signed by TRUMP. Each check was processed by the Trump Organization and illegally disguised as a payment for legal services rendered pursuant to a non-existent retainer agreement. In total, 34 false entries were made in New York business records to conceal the initial covert $130,000 payment. Further, participants in the scheme took steps that mischaracterized, for tax purposes, the true nature of the reimbursements.
I'm guessing you don't know how to read the indictment.
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