Electoral College vs Voter Equation

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By RebelGator
29 Apr 2023 4:53 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
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Check all applicable boxes:

21 years of age.........+10 points________

Full time employment ...+10 points_____

Property Tax Payer.....+20 points________

Traditional Marriage...+20 points________

American Citizen.....+20 points__________

Federal Tax Filer.......+20 points__________

Unemployed........-20 points___________

Welfare Recipient.......-20 points_________

Transgender...............-20 points_________

Resident of city with
population over 500,000....-20 points______

Government Bureaucrat....-20 points______

A score of 100 equals 1 vote, lesser scores will be graded as a percentage of 1 vote. 

You want quality elected officials, start with quality voters.

 
 
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RebelGator » 29 Apr 2023, 4:53 pm » wrote: Check all applicable boxes:

21 years of age.........+10 points________

Full time employment ...+10 points_____

Property Tax Payer.....+20 points________

Traditional Marriage...+20 points________

American Citizen.....+20 points__________

Federal Tax Filer.......+20 points__________

Unemployed........-20 points___________

Welfare Recipient.......-20 points_________

Transgender...............-20 points_________

Resident of city with
population over 500,000....-20 points______

Government Bureaucrat....-20 points______

A score of 100 equals 1 vote, lesser scores will be graded as a percentage of 1 vote. 

You want quality elected officials, start with quality voters.

 
 
How about everyone understanding the common denominator to occupying space here as reproductively positioned when genetics eternally separates the total sum population evolving at the same time, now.

everyone knows life works in cycles and those same people cannot will not believe it operates in series parallel displacement here.
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Blue Devil » 29 Apr 2023, 5:30 pm » wrote: I’d limit it to federal employees and welfare recipients. They’re voting to give themselves more money.
So they can vote for representatives, but not on tax issues for creating laws that segregate this species into conflicting interpretations to how evolving works naturally here.

If one interprets this Country's Constitution that was ratified in Sept of 1789 that is instinctively exactly how a society would protect each ancestor from organized doubt Old World Civilization was always creating, The concept of New World Order was reverting to natural time displaced, not protecting old world human traditions pretending now isn't eternity that divides this species inside out of each generation gap added froward here.
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RebelGator » 29 Apr 2023, 4:53 pm » wrote: Check all applicable boxes:

21 years of age.........+10 points________

Full time employment ...+10 points_____

Property Tax Payer.....+20 points________

Traditional Marriage...+20 points________

American Citizen.....+20 points__________

Federal Tax Filer.......+20 points__________

Unemployed........-20 points___________

Welfare Recipient.......-20 points_________

Transgender...............-20 points_________

Resident of city with
population over 500,000....-20 points______

Government Bureaucrat....-20 points______

A score of 100 equals 1 vote, lesser scores will be graded as a percentage of 1 vote. 

You want quality elected officials, start with quality voters.
We could quibble about each point value but the sentiment is sound. Image  

This extra layer of voter security would automatically wipe many lazy people out of the vote.
So, this is offensive to the sedentary and stupid.
It will not be instituted without a last gasp from their enablers.

ps ANYONE working in a governmental capacity should be excluded from voting 100%.
    This wolf pack need not support themselves any more than they already do.
     
 
 
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razoo » 30 Apr 2023, 10:01 am » wrote: Electoral was obsolete the day it was born....... it is corrupt.

Brookings Institution
https://www.brookings.edu › fixgov › 2020/12/09 › h...

Dec 9, 2020 — These Americans, chosen for loyalty to their political party, will vote for the presidential candidate who won their state's popular vote.[1] ...
That isn't the discussion.....thanks for trying.
 
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30 Apr 2023 10:07 am
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razoo » 30 Apr 2023, 10:03 am » wrote: It's time to abolish the Electoral College
https://www.brookings.edu › policy2020 › bigideas

Oct 15, 2019 — State voters have cast their ballots and the presidential candidate with the most votes in a particular state has received all the Electoral .
Psssst. FARTS4BRAINS, there is NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT for you or ANYONE to vote for President of the United States.

NEVER WAS and it will take a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT to change that FACT!!

Sucks for you and your COMMUNIST METHODS of electing ANYONE, right frooty??
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30 Apr 2023 10:28 am
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We need the electoral college. Mob rule would help the dimocrats destroy this country at warp speed.

The founding fathers had the foresight to see that pandering to the lowest common denominator would create a one party country -The Dimocrat party.

We do not want the immoral sodomites and degenerates of California, New York and Chicago choosing our president every 4 years. **** that nonsense!!
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30 Apr 2023 10:43 am
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razoo » 30 Apr 2023, 10:14 am » wrote:  For years when I taught campaigns and elections at Brown University, I defended the Electoral College as an important part of American democracy. I said the founders created the institution to make sure that large states did not dominate small ones in presidential elections, that power between Congress and state legislatures was balanced, and that there would be checks and balances in the constitutional system.

In recent years, though, I have changed my view and concluded it is time to get rid of the Electoral College. In this paper, I explain the history of the Electoral College, why it no longer is a constructive force in American politics, and why it is time to move to the direct popular election of presidents.

Several developments have led me to alter my opinion on this institution: income inequality, geographic disparities, and how discrepancies between the popular vote and Electoral College are likely to become more commonplace given economic and geographic inequities. The remainder of this essay outlines why it is crucial to abolish the Electoral College.The original rationale for the Electoral CollegeThe framers of the Constitution set up the Electoral College for a number of different reasons. According to Alexander Hamilton in Federalist Paper Number 68, the body was a compromise at the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia between large and small states.

Many of the latter worried that states such as Massachusetts, New York, Pennsylvania, and Virginia would dominate the presidency so they devised an institution where each state had Electoral College votes in proportion to the number of its senators and House members.

The former advantaged small states since each state had two senators regardless of its size, while the latter aided large states because the number of House members was based on the state’s population.

In addition, there was considerable discussion regarding whether Congress or state legislatures should choose the chief executive. Those wanting a stronger national government tended to favor Congress, while states’ rights adherents preferred state legislatures. In the end, there was a compromise establishing an independent group chosen by the states with the power to choose the president.

https://www.brookings.edu/policy2020/bi ... l-college/
Funny how this Author of this article is a WEF Shill and a  proponent of the great reset ......

World Economic Forum
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Darrell M. West
Darrell M. West. Vice-President and Director, Governance Studies, Brookings Institution. About Us. Our Mission · Our Impact · Leadership and Governance

 
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razoo » 30 Apr 2023, 10:14 am » wrote:  For years when I taught campaigns and elections at Brown University, I defended the Electoral College as an important part of American democracy. I said the founders created the institution to make sure that large states did not dominate small ones in presidential elections, that power between Congress and state legislatures was balanced, and that there would be checks and balances in the constitutional system.

In recent years, though, I have changed my view and concluded it is time to get rid of the Electoral College. In this paper, I explain the history of the Electoral College, why it no longer is a constructive force in American politics, and why it is time to move to the direct popular election of presidents.

Several developments have led me to alter my opinion on this institution: income inequality, geographic disparities, and how discrepancies between the popular vote and Electoral College are likely to become more commonplace given economic and geographic inequities. The remainder of this essay outlines why it is crucial to abolish the Electoral College.The original rationale for the Electoral CollegeThe framers of the Constitution set up the Electoral College for a number of different reasons. According to Alexander Hamilton in Federalist Paper Number 68, the body was a compromise at the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia between large and small states.

Many of the latter worried that states such as Massachusetts, New York, Pennsylvania, and Virginia would dominate the presidency so they devised an institution where each state had Electoral College votes in proportion to the number of its senators and House members.

The former advantaged small states since each state had two senators regardless of its size, while the latter aided large states because the number of House members was based on the state’s population.

In addition, there was considerable discussion regarding whether Congress or state legislatures should choose the chief executive. Those wanting a stronger national government tended to favor Congress, while states’ rights adherents preferred state legislatures. In the end, there was a compromise establishing an independent group chosen by the states with the power to choose the president.

https://www.brookings.edu/policy2020/bi ... l-college/

And also...

Darrell M. West is a senior fellow in the Center for Technology Innovation within the Governance Studies program and a co-editor-in-chief of TechTank. West is the former vice president and director of Governance Studies. His current research focuses on artificial intelligence, robotics, and the future of work. West is also director of the John Hazen White Manufacturing Initiative. Prior to coming to Brookings, he was the John Hazen White Professor of Political Science and Public Policy and Director of the Taubman Center for Public Policy at Brown University.

He is a traitor to America ....just like you.....

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30 Apr 2023 11:14 am
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razoo » 30 Apr 2023, 10:07 am » wrote: This is nonsense impossible to discuss just more made up crap typical of fake republicans = waste as much time as possible.
Common sense flees from you like animals from a wild fire.

You wear a nose ring, don't you?
 
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RebelGator » 30 Apr 2023, 11:14 am » wrote: Common sense flees from you like animals from a wild fire.

You wear a nose ring, don't you?
 
Like you do your social identity. Wild fires burn in circles from their source and usually follow the wind to favor going in any one direction than expanding up wind creating a path of destruction. So animals follow the wind to stay ahead of the blaze.

Had they ran perpendicular they could eventually get out of the way off the current the wild fire takes path of least resistance, down wind.
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razoo » 30 Apr 2023, 10:14 am » wrote:  For years when I taught campaigns and elections at Brown University, I defended the Electoral College as an important part of American democracy. I said the founders created the institution to make sure that large states did not dominate small ones in presidential elections, that power between Congress and state legislatures was balanced, and that there would be checks and balances in the constitutional system.

In recent years, though, I have changed my view and concluded it is time to get rid of the Electoral College. In this paper, I explain the history of the Electoral College, why it no longer is a constructive force in American politics, and why it is time to move to the direct popular election of presidents.

Several developments have led me to alter my opinion on this institution: income inequality, geographic disparities, and how discrepancies between the popular vote and Electoral College are likely to become more commonplace given economic and geographic inequities. The remainder of this essay outlines why it is crucial to abolish the Electoral College.The original rationale for the Electoral CollegeThe framers of the Constitution set up the Electoral College for a number of different reasons. According to Alexander Hamilton in Federalist Paper Number 68, the body was a compromise at the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia between large and small states.

Many of the latter worried that states such as Massachusetts, New York, Pennsylvania, and Virginia would dominate the presidency so they devised an institution where each state had Electoral College votes in proportion to the number of its senators and House members.

The former advantaged small states since each state had two senators regardless of its size, while the latter aided large states because the number of House members was based on the state’s population.

In addition, there was considerable discussion regarding whether Congress or state legislatures should choose the chief executive. Those wanting a stronger national government tended to favor Congress, while states’ rights adherents preferred state legislatures. In the end, there was a compromise establishing an independent group chosen by the states with the power to choose the president.

https://www.brookings.edu/policy2020/bi ... l-college/
Sorry BOZOO, but LWNJ **** is still LWNH **** and part of your COMMUNIST IDEOLOGY AND TAKE OVER OF THIS NATION!!

"Income inequality" is an EXCUSE?? So giving POOR PEOPLE a greater voice in smaller states with the Electoral College is a "reason" to get rid of it??

Suck on it and RUN ALONG NOW CHILD before you get SPANKED AGAIN!!
 
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Warcok » 30 Apr 2023, 10:28 am » wrote: We need the electoral college. Mob rule would help the dimocrats destroy this country at warp speed.

The founding fathers had the foresight to see that pandering to the lowest common denominator would create a one party country -The Dimocrat party.

We do not want the immoral sodomites and degenerates of California, New York and Chicago choosing our president every 4 years. **** that nonsense!!
As it is on a smaller scale than national, the pockets represented by the big cities overwhelm the state's vote.
Michigan gets swayed by Detroit and a couple other cities every **** election.
Look at Oregon. A perfect example of that effect.

Why is it liberals are the ones stomping for banning the electoral college?
Sounds pretty goddamned partisan to me...
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razoo » 30 Apr 2023, 2:08 pm » wrote: The Daily Aztec
https://thedailyaztec.com › opinion › the-electoral-coll...
Sep 11, 2019 — Our Founding Fathers believed the general public lacked the capacity to efficiently and effectively elect the president of the U.S., ...

Frequently Asked Questions
National Archives | (.gov)
https://www.archives.gov › electoral-college › faq
What happens if the President-elect fails to qualify before inauguration? What happens if a candidate with electoral votes dies or becomes.

Electoral College Fast Facts | US House of Representatives
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When voters go to the polls in a Presidential election, they actually vote for the slate of electors who have vowed to cast their ballots for that ticket in the ...

United States presidential elections in which the winner ...
Wikipedia
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There have been five United States presidential elections in which the successful presidential candidate did not receive a plurality of the popular vote, ...
‎Presidential elections · ‎Comparative table of elections · ‎1960 election ambiguity...

Is the Electoral College a Problem? Does It Need to Be ...
The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com › 2020/10/08 › learning › is-th...
Oct 29, 2020 — Did you know that when Americans vote in the 2020 presidential election, they're not actually voting for the next president?

Why the Electoral College is the absolute worst, explained
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Dec 19, 2016 — Hillary Clinton won more votes than Donald Trump in last month's presidential election. But due to the magic of the Electoral College, ...

Arguments against the Electoral College
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One way in which a minority president could be elected is if the country were so deeply divided politically that three or more presidential candidates split the
Pssssst. TURD BREATH.

IF you don't like it, CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION!! It ONLY takes 38 STATES to agree with you!! EITHER GET THEM OR SHUT THE HELL UP since NO ONE gives 2 flying FRUCKS what a bunch of college dopeheads say!! NOR ANYONE ELSE for that matter seeing how ALL you do is WHINE and do NOTHING ELSE!!

STOP YOUR INCESSANT WHINING AND PASS AN AMENDMENT!!!

THEN GO EFF YOUR SELF!!
 
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Beekeeper » 30 Apr 2023, 2:31 pm » wrote: for that matter seeing how ALL you do is WHINE and do NOTHING ELSE!!
THE GO EFF YOUR SELF!!
I edited your post because the other comments aren't what i want to discuss and it really in't picking you you, it is a general overall thing.

Razoo is part of a we mantra wanting political say in day to day living of everyone else to pay his mentality a ransom by everyone else they leave alone as long as they pay tribute to them for their ability to disrupt anyone not paying them ransom.

That old saying about build a better mousetrap and the world will beat a pathway to your door.

Forget the mousetrap, and be an individual discussing genetics doesn't work as humanity factually says it should by rule of law and you will have every reality of humanity uniting to silence anything you say about genetics self evidently eternally separates the active reproductions inhabiting space specically here in any category of life, homo sapiens not excluded or exceptions because they can deny it all the time.
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DeezerShoove » 30 Apr 2023, 2:02 pm » wrote: As it is on a smaller scale than national, the pockets represented by the big cities overwhelm the state's vote.
Michigan gets swayed by Detroit and a couple other cities every **** election.
Look at Oregon. A perfect example of that effect.

Why is it liberals are the ones stomping for banning the electoral college?
Sounds pretty goddamned partisan to me...
Every county in the country should be awarded an electoral vote. Whoever gets 1,572 electoral votes wins the presidency
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Warcok » 30 Apr 2023, 5:05 pm » wrote: Every county in the country should be awarded an electoral vote. Whoever gets 1,572 electoral votes wins the presidency
Not bad. I'd have to think about if there is a flaw or two compared to the current way.

Chances for fraud? Is representation of the people's vote improved or worsened?
Doesn't seem that way...

Who gave you that idea? Seems too good for a chat room... :wave:  
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DeezerShoove » 30 Apr 2023, 6:51 pm » wrote: Not bad. I'd have to think about if there is a flaw or two compared to the current way.

Chances for fraud? Is representation of the people's vote improved or worsened?
Doesn't seem that way...

Who gave you that idea? Seems too good for a chat room... Image
It was a few years ago when I found out that Hillary only won 487 counties and Trump won 2,626. 

I was like "no way wtf!" I believe I was inebriated when I came up with it. 🍺
 
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Warcok » 30 Apr 2023, 7:14 pm » wrote: It was a few years ago when I found out that Hillary only won 487 counties and Trump won 2,626. 

I was like "no way wtf!" I believe I was inebriated when I came up with it. 🍺
Leave it to a drunken sot to figure out how to "drive"... :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:  

Maybe if you near-overdose on heroin you could pop up a cure for cancer. :wave:  
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razoo » 30 Apr 2023, 2:08 pm » wrote: The Daily Aztec
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Sep 11, 2019 — Our Founding Fathers believed the general public lacked the capacity to efficiently and effectively elect the president of the U.S., ...

 
the first one is all you need to realize how GOOD the electoral college is; the general public is nothing but a bunch of dumb asses brainwashed by the media.
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