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roadkill » 19 May 2023, 4:08 pm » wrote: ↑

19 May 2023, 4:08 pm

Just some thoughts...

If that happens and Trump becomes president I would hope RFK Jr. could support him on some issues.

If RFK Jr. won I think Trump would support him.

Either way it looks like either man would be better than the status quo.   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqu6mlrZeR4

Mrkelly » 22 May 2023, 10:24 am » wrote: ↑

22 May 2023, 10:24 am

I have been looking, and I haven’t seen him justify Russias attack

but he sure nibbles around the edges 

 Washington has lied and ignored Moscow’s “red lines,” the presidential candidate has said Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Instead of  listening to Russian President Vladimir Putin’s warnings about “red lines,” the US has repeatedly crossed them, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said in an interview published on Wednesday. The Democrat running for US president also said Washington should have either invited Moscow to NATO or dismantled the anti-Russian alliance after the Cold War.“We should have listened to Putin over many years. We made a commitment to Russia, to Gorbachev, that we would not move NATO one inch to the east. Then we went in, and we lied,” Kennedy told the outlet UnHerd. Instead of offering to integrate Russia into the West, as many diplomats urged in 1991, the US expanded NATO to its borders. “What is the purpose of NATO other than to oppose Russia? If you’re addressing Russia in a hostile way from the beginning, of course their reaction is going to be hostile back,” Kennedy said. He described what happened in Kiev in 2014 as “essentially a coup d’etat” supported by the US, recalling the infamous phone call in which Victoria Nuland was “handpicking a new cabinet” hostile to Moscow. 

 “If Mexico did that and then started killing – they killed 14,000 Russians in Donbass, the Ukrainian government – if Mexico did that to expatriate Americans, we’d invade in a second,” Kennedy said, adding that Putin “repeatedly told us: these are red lines, you’re crossing.”

Mrkelly » 22 May 2023, 10:02 am » wrote: ↑

22 May 2023, 10:02 am

I know ... I wouldnt put it that way either

must be the anti war peacenik in him

Sumela » 22 May 2023, 10:50 am » wrote: ↑

22 May 2023, 10:50 am

The last paragraph is enlightening.   Thanks

Sumela » 22 May 2023, 10:53 am » wrote: ↑

22 May 2023, 10:53 am

I have 2 Progressive friends who completely agree this is a NATO provoked and created war

but think Putin should not have taken the bait.  They believe he should have waited for the

Ukes to attempt an invasion of Donbas cities like Donetsk before starting the war.

Mrkelly » 22 May 2023, 10:57 am » wrote: ↑

22 May 2023, 10:57 am

Stupid people everywhere 

so they don’t consider bombing them for 9 years counts as an invasion?

Mrkelly » 22 May 2023, 8:02 am » wrote: ↑

22 May 2023, 8:02 am

He was an environmental lawyer for decades

he is an advocate for a global transition away from fossil fuels toward renewable energy … im ok with that

he has called out the government for their proxy war many many times, I’d like to see the rest of that quote 

and besides, if his stance on Ukraine was so bad … this wouldn’t be happening 

https://youtu.be/2yMVn-w-kBw

righteous » 22 May 2023, 11:06 am » wrote: ↑

22 May 2023, 11:06 am

I know about his history as an environmental lawyer. 
He is a supporter of Silicon Valley Venture Capitalists. They meet as do Bilderberg attendees  with interest solely in profit and control and little do with concern for the environment.
I am not ok with that.
The major oil companies invest between 25-30 percent of earnings into research and development of alternative energy production.
Environmentalists have far fetched ideas about a quick transition from fossil fuels. 

He supports Zelensky and Ukraine, as we know, to be the third most corrupt Country in the world.

I don’t see how Kucinich support means anything. They both support Zelensky, the money laundering crime thug.

Sumela » 22 May 2023, 11:06 am » wrote: ↑

22 May 2023, 11:06 am

Their response is that Russia was funding and arming Donbas

Mrkelly » 22 May 2023, 11:23 am » wrote: ↑

22 May 2023, 11:23 am

ignorance is not politically owned

Sumela » 22 May 2023, 11:06 am » wrote: ↑

22 May 2023, 11:06 am

Their response is that Russia was funding and arming Donbas

Xavier_Onassis » 22 May 2023, 2:15 pm » wrote: ↑

22 May 2023, 2:15 pm

Which it clearly was doing.
Russia was meddling in Ukraine affairs.

Mrkelly » 22 May 2023, 11:22 am » wrote: ↑

22 May 2023, 11:22 am

you’re right