rayj » 03 Jun 2023, 11:57 am » wrote: ↑ Ponder this: As far as classified documents go, how would the prosecution handle the fact that, in order to view the evidence, (which would literally be the classified documents) address the clearances needed to view said classified documents? Jury, judge, lawyers, would all need clearances!! The possibility of a security breach would be significant!
So you're willing to PUT A LOT OF MONEY on that MILLION DOLLAR MOUTH of yours too!!Prospero » 06 Jun 2023, 6:13 am » wrote: ↑ Here's a fact for you: He will be charged for violating the Espionage act and obstruction of the governments efforts to retrieve the documents. Now, pay close attention: A violation of the Espionage act does NOT depend on any classification regime. More likely it will depend on DNI damage assessments.
See above.
1. Trump has admitted he believes it is okay for a President to steal national defense information documents, he admitted this recently on television. He said this when he was asked about whether or not he deliberately took documents.Beekeeper » 06 Jun 2023, 6:46 am » wrote: ↑ So you're willing to PUT A LOT OF MONEY on that MILLION DOLLAR MOUTH of yours too!!
Considering you have nothing but a PLUG NICKEL ARSE to back it, I am CERTAIN you'll find yourself whining like the little 2 year old in a temper tantrum when NONE of this materializes.
JUSTICE can only happen during the commission of a CRIME and since you have NO CRIME you can indict on, you can't have "obstruction of justice". So you are saying YOUR BOY BIDEN is also GUILTY under the Espionage Act as well!! Seeing how your entire **** CLAIM is that "possession" is all it takes for a CRIMINAL CASE to happen!!
Sucks for you, that your ENTIRE CLAIM will never happen since your boy Biden won't be indicted for the SAME CRIME!!
Prospero » 06 Jun 2023, 6:52 am » wrote: ↑ 1. Trump has admitted he believes it is okay for a President to steal national defense information documents, he admitted this recently on television. He said this when he was asked about whether or not he deliberately took documents.
2. Others close to him on staff will testify that he did not declassify them (though it won't matter much, anyway)
3. he held rehearsals instructing underlings to move boxes to hide them from the government when they would come for them in a search warrant, before and after a subpoena was issued.
4. A search warrant was issued because he wasn't returning the documents when they were requested.
These are aggravating circumstances that the DOJ will require for an indictment. They are present with Trump, but not with Biden or Pence.
Oh for **** sakes, So, you're nitpicking? You really think I meant supporting a dead man while he was dead?
Prospero » 06 Jun 2023, 6:57 am » wrote: ↑ Oh for **** sakes, So, you're nitpicking? You really think I meant supporting a dead man while he was dead?
Only an idiot would think that. clearly I meant his policies.
Many folks on the left say something like 'I'm an FDR democrat".
What are they saying? They are saying they support FDR's policies.
Get a grip.
Trump is likely to be charged with obstruction of justice relating to the deliberate and willful theft of national defense information documents, in violation of the Espionage ACT, mishandling of NDI docs.Beekeeper » 03 Jun 2023, 5:59 am » wrote: ↑ Hey numbnutz, you need to READ that EO that outlines Declassification that your boy Ovomit issued!!
IT COMPLETELY eliminates the President from following ANY declassification "rules" you claim Trump must follow!! Sucks you are too stupid to actually READ IT and see what it says before you open your peckermouth and get your ARSE kicked up around your neck so you smell your nasty ARSE all day!! That must really SUCK, huh??
PSSSST. Again. ANY criminal case you want to make, the EVIDENCE OF GUILT must be shown in Court to CONVICT!! NOT that Trump must prove he did or didn't do something. You DO love you some NAZI CRIMINAL PROCEDURES, which is easy to see.
I was never a fan of Lifton or his pseudo-scientific theory of Totalism ....Prospero » 05 Jun 2023, 2:04 pm » wrote: ↑ No, the concept of 'thought-terminating cliché is an established principle. No search by AI was needed.
No, the concept of 'FAKE NEWS' was originally traced back to certain FB spammers who were making up news stories, and with a graphics editor, making them look like real websites and posting them to Face Book given gullible right wingers click bait, the spammers didn't care which side of the political spectrum the fake news stories they posted were, but they were interviewed and the told us that they made more money on clicks from the right than they ever did for the left, which, to me, proves that many on the right are far more gullible than the left, and this became noticed by the media.
What Trump did was hijack the term and attribute it to any news source he didn't like. And, since then,Trump has converted the term into a thought terminating cliché, which are buzzkill words designed to curb critical thinking and kill dissent, which is what you are trying to do by using it, it arrived to your brain by Trump's repeating it, over and over again, which was the plan, to get his flock, people like you, to dish it up when anyone engages in thought that requires critical thinking skills, or kill dissent when his flock encounters it, because he knows they are too stupid to refute his **** lies, his flock needs a little help, so viola, make their rains a bucket full of TTCS and his job is easier. It kinda suggests that Trump followers are sock puppets. Just sayin'.
Oh, so you didn't get him now but you will... soon...Prospero » 06 Jun 2023, 6:38 am » wrote: ↑ He's alreadybeen indicted in NY, and word on the hill he will be indicted by a grand jury in Washington DC very soon.
Seriously?So, not clueless.
The issue is your credibility, you're the one claiming they will get him soon... and given the track record of the 'we got him now' cult that is a really clueless statement...You do realize ad homs diminish your credibility? Well, now you now.

No, no, fruitcake. YOU show the evidence she stood for anything but table scraps, pookie. I say she stood for nothing. Not my job to prove the negative, queanie.Prospero » 06 Jun 2023, 1:56 am » wrote: ↑ Well, lying is protected speech. So lie all you want. Bernie voted for Biden. You want to know why?
Because he's smart enough to understand that voting for anyone else is a vote for Trump. Thanks for voting for Trump. AOC? Evidence please.
Maybe you should, turd. He wouldn't be gender confused. He wouldn't be demanding his neighbors be guinea pigs.Prospero » 06 Jun 2023, 1:56 am » wrote: ↑ Really? I support FDR 100%, so that claim makes no sense. I'll say this about FDR, he wouldn't be trading cheap insults with anyone. Maybe you should try and be more like him.
You are not the last word on national security, turd. If you have the authority to elevate a corona virus - the very family of virus we are most familiar with and best at treating, ignoramus - to a national security threat, then the pro-lifers have a right to declare abortion a national security threat. I gave less specious argument than you did for why the matter threatens national security: the necessity of replacing the unborn with foreigners whose socialization does not include democratic institutions. You simply DECLARED covid-19 a national security threat, presumably under your authroity as the Minister of Made Up National Security Threats, and justified my rights being violated under that aegis - the lazy shill way, as usual.Prospero » 06 Jun 2023, 1:56 am » wrote: ↑ I support a woman's right to abortion. There is no national security issue with them.
And predictably, the lies come a-tumbling. EVERY state action is ultimately "at the end of a gun barrel," you fraud. If I walked in a store or restaurant in California without displaying my test-subject participation card, I would be instructed to leave, and forced to do so by men with guns. When you have to lie about your position, it's because you know you cannot defend it.Prospero » 06 Jun 2023, 1:56 am » wrote: ↑ No one has forced anyone to take a goddamn thing. Mrna vaxes had been studied for 10 years before they were distributed. Mandates always give a choice. In a pandemic, the health of the nation is at stake and the is the only time I, personally support even mandates. I will never support force, at the end of a gun barrel, that's what force is. You are engaging in hysterics. There is no law requiring you to be vaccinated.
Not shocked. I hold up a mirror, and this is your response. ^
Cannonpointer » 06 Jun 2023, 10:25 am » wrote: ↑ No, no, fruitcake. YOU show the evidence she stood for anything but table scraps, pookie. I say she stood for nothing. Not my job to prove the negative, queanie.
Show me ANY of the "progressive" democrats doing ANYTHING meanngful against wall street's interests or nancy pelosi's preferences. They caved, buttercup.
You're such a cheap little shill. When the repukes got control, their right wing made demands, held feet to the fire, got what they wanted in return for making mccarthy speaker. AOC and her crew could have done the same - but chose to play ball.
I'm not googling and linking for an intellectually lazy, inauthentic, niggling little punk. Prove the sky is blue, turd.
Maybe you should, turd. He wouldn't be gender confused. He wouldn't be demanding his neighbors be guinea pigs.
You are not the last word on national security, turd. If you have the authority to elevate a corona virus - the very virus we are most familiar with and best at treating, ignoramus - to a national security threat, then the pro-lifers have a right to declare abortion a national security threat. I gave less specious argument than you did for why the matter threatens national security: the necessity of replacing the unborn with foreigners whose socialization does not include democratic institutions. You simply DECLARED it a national security threat, presumably under your authroity as the Minister of Made Up National Security Threats, and justified my rights being violated under that aegis - the lazy way, as usual.
And predictably, the lies come a-tumbling. EVERY state action is ultimately "at the end of a gun barrel," you fraud. If I walked in a store or restaurant in California without displaying my test-subject participation card, I would be instructed to leave, and forced to do so by men with guns. When you have to lie about your position, it's because you know you cannot defend it.
Putting ANY negative consequences on a behavior is recognized under the law as force. Your argument, taken to its logical conclusion, would force us to pretend that a gunman does not "force" his victim to do "a goddamn thing." It's THEIR choice whether to comply or be shot. This is why you are on the pay-me-no-mind and the just-cuss-me-out lists. You preen and insist that you are worth effort, but every post proves you a partisan shill, a witting liar, and tactically obtuse.
So quit whining.
!. Trump STATED he DECLASSIFIED documents. Moot point on your part.Prospero » 06 Jun 2023, 6:52 am » wrote: ↑ 1. Trump has admitted he believes it is okay for a President to steal national defense information documents, he admitted this recently on television. He said this when he was asked about whether or not he deliberately took documents.
2. Others close to him on staff will testify that he did not declassify them (though it won't matter much, anyway)
3. he held rehearsals instructing underlings to move boxes to hide them from the government when they would come for them in a search warrant, before and after a subpoena was issued.
4. A search warrant was issued because he wasn't returning the documents when they were requested.
These are aggravating circumstances that the DOJ will require for an indictment. They are present with Trump, but not with Biden or Pence.
You are arguing for what is factual. This clown is hobby-arguing. His purpose if NOT thesis-antithesis-synthesis - is not truth seeking. His purpose is wagging his *** and seeing how much **** he can peddle within the constraints of a particular format.Beekeeper » 06 Jun 2023, 12:06 pm » wrote: ↑ !. Trump STATED he DECLASSIFIED documents. Moot point on your part.
2. Who are these "witnesses" you claim exist. HEARSAY at best,.
3. According to WHOM?? A CNNaganda source?? PROOF, ****, PROOF, and you have MORE HEARSAY!! Fact is, when a SEARCH WARRANT is executed, NO ONE remains inside the property to be searched, as happened HERE, so you are full of **** on this one.
4. His entire legal team were in negotiations for return of whatever the Archivist wanted. It was a PURELY POLITICAL ATTACK before an election used to discredit Trump and for NO OTHER REASON.
And if you are going to use the SAME CRAP (set of standards) you claim applies to Trump, it APTLY APPLIES TO YOUR BOY BIDEN only worse since his THEFT OF CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS had them scattered EVERYWHERE and with NO SECURITY to "guard" them. Inside his garage, on a shelf behind his Corvette is NOT "secure" ANYTHING.
You do realize "know" has a silent k? Well, now you know.Prospero » 06 Jun 2023, 6:38 am » wrote: ↑ He's alreadybeen indicted in NY, and word on the hill he will be indicted by a grand jury in Washington DC very soon. So, not clueless.
You do realize ad homs diminish your credibility? Well, now you now.
Well, you do seem to be mentally crippled.Prospero » 06 Jun 2023, 6:57 am » wrote: ↑
Many folks on the left say something like 'I'm an FDR democrat".
OH, so you are saying that Biden needs to be INDICTED AS WELL since he ALSO had possession under Espionage Act!! And I can assure you that storing them behind you Corvette on a shelf isn't "proper handling" as you claim.Prospero » 06 Jun 2023, 7:15 am » wrote: ↑ Trump is likely to be charged with obstruction of justice relating to the deliberate and willful theft of national defense information documents, in violation of the Espionage ACT, mishandling of NDI docs.
Now pay close attention: Violation of the Espionage Act does NOT depend on any classification regime,
In the meantime, grow up a little. Your writing is sophomoric.
The tard genuinely believes that he has a right to demand we look away from the 7 years of we-got-him-nows like it's dixie-land a-burnin', and debate the dubious merits of this latest hysteria - entirely outside of of that context.Jantje_Smit » 06 Jun 2023, 8:39 am » wrote: ↑ Oh, so you didn't get him now but you will... soon...
Seriously?
The issue is your credibility, you're the one claiming they will get him soon... and given the track record of the 'we got him now' cult that is a really clueless statement...
As for the ad homs, you don't realize where you are I think but stick around and you will find out...
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Cannonpointer » 06 Jun 2023, 12:37 pm » wrote: ↑ The tard genuinely believes that he has a right to demand we look away from the 7 years of we-got-him-nows like it's dixie-land a-burnin', and debate the dubious merits of this latest hysteria - entirely outside of of that context.
I find it quite ironic that he, of ALL people, is not the one most burned-out by we-got-him-now fatigue. It's like there is a streak of masochism that informs these morons, as they continue to grasp at the next straw with the same certitude and optimism they felt for the last several thousand straws. It is indicative of a DEEP pathology - a complete loss of reality. They are obviously suffering gaslighting-induced dissociation. They truly cannot see how ridiculous they look with their whakamole claims of impending victory over the Orange Menace that lives in their heads.
He perceives our dismissiveness and eye rolling and finger pointing as unfair and uncalled for. You could bowl him over with a feather. He quite has the vaypahs at the reception he has encountered. The boy needs a faintin' couch.
