Is Trump going to jail?

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By Prospero
1 Jun 2023 10:57 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
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rayj » 03 Jun 2023, 11:57 am » wrote: Ponder this:  As far as classified documents go, how would the prosecution handle the fact that, in order to view the evidence, (which would literally be the classified documents) address the clearances needed to view said classified documents? Jury, judge, lawyers, would all need clearances!!     The possibility of a security breach would be significant!

I put the question to AI, here's it's response: When an indictment involves classified documents, the criminal trial typically follows certain procedures to ensure the protection of classified information. Here is a general overview of how such cases are dealt with:
  1. Security clearances: The judge, prosecution, defense attorneys, and relevant court personnel may need to obtain security clearances to access classified information. This is necessary to handle sensitive materials appropriately.
  2. Classified information procedures: The court establishes specific procedures for handling classified information during the trial. These procedures may include the use of secure facilities, limitations on disclosure, and protective orders to safeguard sensitive information.
  3. Pretrial motions: Prior to the trial, the defense may file motions regarding the handling and disclosure of classified information. These motions can address issues such as the relevance of classified evidence, the need for redaction, or the defense's access to classified materials for trial preparation.
  4. Security measures during trial: The trial itself may involve additional security measures. This can include restrictions on the public's access to certain portions of the proceedings, use of secure communication channels, and precautions to prevent unauthorized access to classified materials presented as evidence.
  5. Special procedures for classified evidence: The introduction of classified evidence requires special handling. This may involve redacting sensitive information from documents or presenting classified evidence in a closed courtroom, accessible only to individuals with appropriate security clearances.
  6. Protection of sources and methods: The court takes precautions to protect intelligence sources and methods. In some cases, the government may seek to limit the disclosure of specific details to safeguard ongoing operations or to protect national security interests.
  7. Jury selection: Jury selection in cases involving classified information can be more complex. Potential jurors may undergo additional scrutiny, including background checks, to ensure they can handle classified evidence without compromising security.
  8. Court-appointed security officers: The court may appoint security officers or experts to oversee the handling of classified evidence and ensure compliance with security protocols.
  9. Balancing national security and due process: Throughout the trial, the court aims to strike a balance between protecting national security interests and ensuring the defendant's right to a fair trial. This can involve carefully evaluating the admissibility of evidence, potential redactions, and any limitations on the defense's access to classified materials.
It's important to note that the specific procedures and protocols can vary depending on the jurisdiction, the nature of the charges, and the level of classification involved. The above overview provides a general framework for how indictments involving classified documents are typically handled, but the details may differ in individual cases.
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Prospero » 06 Jun 2023, 6:13 am » wrote: Here's a fact for you:  He will be charged for violating the Espionage act and obstruction of the governments efforts to retrieve the documents. Now, pay close attention:  A violation of the Espionage act does NOT depend on any classification regime.  More likely it will depend on DNI damage assessments. 

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So you're willing to PUT A LOT OF MONEY on that MILLION DOLLAR MOUTH of yours too!!

Considering you have nothing but a PLUG NICKEL ARSE to back it, I am CERTAIN you'll find yourself whining like the little 2 year old in a temper tantrum when NONE of this materializes.

JUSTICE can only happen during the commission of a CRIME and since you have NO CRIME you can indict on, you can't have "obstruction of justice". So you are saying YOUR BOY BIDEN is also GUILTY under the Espionage Act as well!! Seeing how your entire **** CLAIM is that "possession" is all it takes for a CRIMINAL CASE to happen!!

Sucks for you, that your ENTIRE CLAIM will never happen since your boy Biden won't be indicted for the SAME CRIME!!
 
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Beekeeper » 06 Jun 2023, 6:46 am » wrote: So you're willing to PUT A LOT OF MONEY on that MILLION DOLLAR MOUTH of yours too!!

Considering you have nothing but a PLUG NICKEL ARSE to back it, I am CERTAIN you'll find yourself whining like the little 2 year old in a temper tantrum when NONE of this materializes.

JUSTICE can only happen during the commission of a CRIME and since you have NO CRIME you can indict on, you can't have "obstruction of justice". So you are saying YOUR BOY BIDEN is also GUILTY under the Espionage Act as well!! Seeing how your entire **** CLAIM is that "possession" is all it takes for a CRIMINAL CASE to happen!!

Sucks for you, that your ENTIRE CLAIM will never happen since your boy Biden won't be indicted for the SAME CRIME!!
1.  Trump has admitted he believes it is okay for a President to steal national defense information documents, he admitted this recently on television. He said this when he was asked about whether or not he deliberately took documents.  
2.  Others close to him on staff will testify that he did not declassify them (though it won't matter much, anyway)
3.  he held rehearsals instructing underlings to move boxes to hide them from the government when they would come for them in a search warrant, before and after a subpoena was issued. 
4. A search warrant was issued because he wasn't returning the documents when they were requested. 

These are aggravating circumstances that the DOJ will require for an indictment.  They are present with Trump, but not with Biden or Pence. 


 
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Prospero » 06 Jun 2023, 6:52 am » wrote: 1.  Trump has admitted he believes it is okay for a President to steal national defense information documents, he admitted this recently on television. He said this when he was asked about whether or not he deliberately took documents.  
2.  Others close to him on staff will testify that he did not declassify them (though it won't matter much, anyway)
3.  he held rehearsals instructing underlings to move boxes to hide them from the government when they would come for them in a search warrant, before and after a subpoena was issued. 
4. A search warrant was issued because he wasn't returning the documents when they were requested. 

These are aggravating circumstances that the DOJ will require for an indictment.  They are present with Trump, but not with Biden or Pence.

yet you can't prove a **** word you say shilly willy
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Cedar » 06 Jun 2023, 6:20 am » wrote: You didn't say you supported his policies.
Oh for **** sakes, So, you're nitpicking?  You really think I meant supporting a dead man while he was dead?  

Only an idiot would think that. clearly I meant his policies. 

Many folks on the left say something like 'I'm an FDR democrat".  

What are they saying?  They are saying they support FDR's policies. 

Get a grip.  
 
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Prospero » 06 Jun 2023, 6:57 am » wrote: Oh for **** sakes, So, you're nitpicking?  You really think I meant supporting a dead man while he was dead?  

Only an idiot would think that. clearly I meant his policies. 

Many folks on the left say something like 'I'm an FDR democrat".  

What are they saying?  They are saying they support FDR's policies. 

Get a grip.

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Beekeeper » 03 Jun 2023, 5:59 am » wrote: Hey numbnutz, you need to READ that EO that outlines Declassification that your boy Ovomit issued!!

IT COMPLETELY eliminates the President from following ANY declassification "rules" you claim Trump must follow!! Sucks you are too stupid to actually READ IT and see what it says before you open your peckermouth and get your ARSE kicked up around your neck so you smell your nasty ARSE all day!! That must really SUCK, huh??

PSSSST. Again. ANY criminal case you want to make, the EVIDENCE OF GUILT must be shown in Court to CONVICT!! NOT that Trump must prove he did or didn't do something. You DO love you some NAZI CRIMINAL PROCEDURES, which is easy to see.
Trump is likely to be charged with obstruction of justice relating to the deliberate and willful theft of national defense information documents, in violation of the Espionage ACT, mishandling of NDI docs.  

Now pay close attention:  Violation of the Espionage Act does NOT depend on any classification regime,

In the meantime, grow up a little. Your writing is sophomoric. 
 
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Prospero the liberal shill lying again
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Prospero » 05 Jun 2023, 2:04 pm » wrote: No, the concept of 'thought-terminating cliché is an established principle. No search by AI was needed. 
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No, the concept of 'FAKE NEWS' was originally traced back to certain FB spammers who were making up news stories, and with a graphics editor, making them look like real websites and posting them to Face Book given gullible right wingers click bait, the spammers didn't care which side of the political spectrum the fake news stories they posted were, but they were interviewed and the told us that they made more money on clicks from the right than they ever did for the left, which, to me, proves that many on the right are far more gullible than the left, and this became noticed by the media. 

What Trump did was hijack the term and attribute it to any news source he didn't like.  And, since then,Trump has converted the term into a thought terminating cliché, which are buzzkill words designed to curb critical thinking and kill dissent, which is what you are trying to do by using it, it arrived to your brain by Trump's repeating it, over and over again, which was the plan, to get his flock, people like you,  to dish it up when anyone engages in thought that requires critical thinking skills, or kill dissent when his flock encounters it, because he knows they are too stupid to refute his **** lies, his flock needs a little help, so viola, make their rains a bucket full of TTCS and his job is easier.   It kinda suggests that Trump followers are sock puppets.  Just sayin'.
I was never a fan of Lifton or his pseudo-scientific theory of Totalism ....
His studies are purely based on his observations of the Vicrim's trauma after the fact ....and the various  persecutors from afar.
but the biggest reason is that his work is a culmination of his own bias against the global  right which he views with disdain  and is a self described liberal political activist ..which also negates his work of any impartiality...
and as for Fake News which is just another label for propaganda....how can anybody take you seriously when you discount why Trump used the term "Fake News".
and don't think I didn't notice how you totally ignore that Hillary used a TTC by claiming Russian collusion and how the MSM repeated that TTC for years ...while also using other TTC's in the creation of their fake stories repeated 24/7 in their news cycles.
while gullible liberals/Leftists ate it up like candy ......because they were perfect marks for the conditioning after being  traumatized by Hillary's loss.
and even to this day there are many of them that still believe the lies because of that conditioning......





 
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Prospero » 06 Jun 2023, 6:38 am » wrote: He's alreadybeen indicted in NY, and word on the hill he will be indicted by a grand jury in Washington DC very soon. 
Oh, so you didn't get him now but you will... soon...
So, not clueless. 
Seriously?
You do realize ad homs diminish your credibility?  Well, now you now.
The issue is your credibility, you're the one claiming they will get him soon... and given the track record of the 'we got him now' cult that is a really clueless statement...

As for the ad homs, you don't realize where you are I think but stick around and you will find out...

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Prospero » 06 Jun 2023, 1:56 am » wrote: Well, lying is protected speech.  So lie all you want. Bernie voted for Biden.  You want to know why? 
Because he's smart enough to understand that voting for anyone else is a vote for Trump.   Thanks for voting for Trump.    AOC?   Evidence please.
No, no, fruitcake. YOU show the evidence she stood for anything but table scraps, pookie. I say she stood for nothing. Not my job to prove the negative, queanie.

Show me ANY of the "progressive" democrats doing ANYTHING meaningful against wall street's interests or nancy pelosi's preferences. They caved, buttercup.

You're such a cheap little shill. When the repukes got control, their right wing made demands, held feet to the fire, got what they wanted in return for making mccarthy speaker. AOC and her crew could have done the same - but chose to play ball.
Prospero » 06 Jun 2023, 1:56 am » wrote: Really?  I support FDR 100%, so that claim makes no sense.  I'll say this about FDR, he wouldn't be trading cheap insults with anyone.  Maybe you should try and be more like him.
Maybe you should, turd. He wouldn't be gender confused. He wouldn't be demanding his neighbors be guinea pigs.
Prospero » 06 Jun 2023, 1:56 am » wrote: I support a woman's right to abortion.  There is no national security issue with them.
You are not the last word on national security, turd. If you have the authority to elevate a corona virus - the very family of virus we are most familiar with and best at treating, ignoramus - to a national security threat, then the pro-lifers have a right to declare abortion a national security threat. I gave less specious argument than you did for why the matter threatens national security: the necessity of replacing the unborn with foreigners whose socialization does not include democratic institutions. You simply DECLARED covid-19 a national security threat, presumably under your authroity as the Minister of Made Up National Security Threats, and justified my rights being violated under that aegis - the lazy shill way, as usual.
Prospero » 06 Jun 2023, 1:56 am » wrote: No one has forced anyone to take a goddamn thing. Mrna vaxes had been studied for 10 years before they were distributed.  Mandates always give a choice. In a pandemic, the health of the nation is at stake and the is the only time I, personally support even mandates.  I will never support force, at the end of a gun barrel, that's what force is.  You are engaging in hysterics.  There is no law requiring you to be vaccinated.
And predictably, the lies come a-tumbling. EVERY state action is ultimately "at the end of a gun barrel," you fraud. If I walked in a store or restaurant in California without displaying my test-subject participation card, I would be instructed to leave, and forced to do so by men with guns. When you have to lie about your position, it's because you know you cannot defend it. 

Putting ANY negative consequences on a behavior is recognized under the law as force. Your argument, taken to its logical conclusion, would require us to pretend that a gunman does not "force" his victim to do "a goddamn thing." It's THEIR choice whether to comply or be shot. This is why you are on the pay-me-no-mind and the just-cuss-me-out lists. You preen and insist that you are worth effort, but every post proves you a partisan shill, a witting liar, and tactically obtuse.

So quit whining.

 
 
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Not shocked. I hold up a mirror, and this is your response. ^

Telling, fraud - telling.
 
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice

"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"

You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.

Who cuts off your dick is not a friend

An opinion you won't defend is not your own

Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe

When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge

If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
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Cannonpointer » 06 Jun 2023, 10:25 am » wrote: No, no, fruitcake. YOU show the evidence she stood for anything but table scraps, pookie. I say she stood for nothing. Not my job to prove the negative, queanie.

Show me ANY of the "progressive" democrats doing ANYTHING meanngful against wall street's interests or nancy pelosi's preferences. They caved, buttercup.

You're such a cheap little shill. When the repukes got control, their right wing made demands, held feet to the fire, got what they wanted in return for making mccarthy speaker. AOC and her crew could have done the same - but chose to play ball.

I'm not googling and linking for an intellectually lazy, inauthentic, niggling little punk. Prove the sky is blue, turd.

Maybe you should, turd. He wouldn't be gender confused. He wouldn't be demanding his neighbors be guinea pigs.

You are not the last word on national security, turd. If you have the authority to elevate a corona virus - the very virus we are most familiar with and best at treating, ignoramus - to a national security threat, then the pro-lifers have a right to declare abortion a national security threat. I gave less specious argument than you did for why the matter threatens national security: the necessity of replacing the unborn with foreigners whose socialization does not include democratic institutions. You simply DECLARED it a national security threat, presumably under your authroity as the Minister of Made Up National Security Threats,  and justified my rights being violated under that aegis - the lazy way, as usual.

And predictably, the lies come a-tumbling. EVERY state action is ultimately "at the end of a gun barrel," you fraud. If I walked in a store or restaurant in California without displaying my test-subject participation card, I would be instructed to leave, and forced to do so by men with guns. When you have to lie about your position, it's because you know you cannot defend it. 

Putting ANY negative consequences on a behavior is recognized under the law as force. Your argument, taken to its logical conclusion, would force us to pretend that a gunman does not "force" his victim to do "a goddamn thing." It's THEIR choice whether to comply or be shot. This is why you are on the pay-me-no-mind and the just-cuss-me-out lists. You preen and insist that you are worth effort, but every post proves you a partisan shill, a witting liar, and tactically obtuse.

So quit whining.

I can prove the sky is blue. The blue in the spectrum is scattered as the white light enters the atmosphere due to the molecular spacing in the atmosphere.


Or something like that. I don't remember the exact definition.


 
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Prospero » 06 Jun 2023, 6:52 am » wrote: 1.  Trump has admitted he believes it is okay for a President to steal national defense information documents, he admitted this recently on television. He said this when he was asked about whether or not he deliberately took documents.  
2.  Others close to him on staff will testify that he did not declassify them (though it won't matter much, anyway)
3.  he held rehearsals instructing underlings to move boxes to hide them from the government when they would come for them in a search warrant, before and after a subpoena was issued. 
4. A search warrant was issued because he wasn't returning the documents when they were requested. 

These are aggravating circumstances that the DOJ will require for an indictment.  They are present with Trump, but not with Biden or Pence.
!. Trump STATED he DECLASSIFIED documents. Moot point on your part.
2. Who are these "witnesses" you claim exist. HEARSAY at best,.
3. According to WHOM?? A CNNaganda source?? PROOF, ****, PROOF, and you have MORE HEARSAY!! Fact is, when a SEARCH WARRANT is executed, NO ONE remains inside the property to be searched, as happened HERE, so you are full of **** on this one.
4. His entire legal team were in negotiations for return of whatever the Archivist wanted. It was a PURELY POLITICAL ATTACK before an election used to discredit Trump and for NO OTHER REASON.

And if you are going to use the SAME CRAP (set of standards) you claim applies to Trump, it APTLY APPLIES TO YOUR BOY BIDEN only worse since his THEFT OF CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS had them scattered EVERYWHERE and with NO SECURITY to "guard" them. Inside his garage, on a shelf behind his Corvette is NOT "secure" ANYTHING.
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Beekeeper » 06 Jun 2023, 12:06 pm » wrote: !. Trump STATED he DECLASSIFIED documents. Moot point on your part.
2. Who are these "witnesses" you claim exist. HEARSAY at best,.
3. According to WHOM?? A CNNaganda source?? PROOF, ****, PROOF, and you have MORE HEARSAY!! Fact is, when a SEARCH WARRANT is executed, NO ONE remains inside the property to be searched, as happened HERE, so you are full of **** on this one.
4. His entire legal team were in negotiations for return of whatever the Archivist wanted. It was a PURELY POLITICAL ATTACK before an election used to discredit Trump and for NO OTHER REASON.

And if you are going to use the SAME CRAP (set of standards) you claim applies to Trump, it APTLY APPLIES TO YOUR BOY BIDEN only worse since his THEFT OF CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS had them scattered EVERYWHERE and with NO SECURITY to "guard" them. Inside his garage, on a shelf behind his Corvette is NOT "secure" ANYTHING.
You are arguing for what is factual. This clown is hobby-arguing. His purpose if NOT thesis-antithesis-synthesis - is not truth seeking. His purpose is wagging his *** and seeing how much **** he can peddle within the constraints of a particular format.

Whether he is factually correct or not is not even on his list of concerns. He would just as readily argue FOR trump and AGAINST biden - he just wants to splooge.

He is not anywhere near as good at this as he believes himself, either. He was smug enough and incautious enough to embrace a real tar baby with regard to touting his liberal bona fides and questioning mine. Shortly I will be short-sheeting the fapper with regard to that. Gonna give the fop a nice wedgie.
 
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Prospero » 06 Jun 2023, 6:38 am » wrote: He's alreadybeen indicted in NY, and word on the hill he will be indicted by a grand jury in Washington DC very soon.  So, not clueless. 

You do realize ad homs diminish your credibility?  Well, now you now.
You do realize "know" has a silent k? Well, now you know. 
 
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice

"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"

You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.

Who cuts off your dick is not a friend

An opinion you won't defend is not your own

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Prospero » 06 Jun 2023, 6:57 am » wrote:

Many folks on the left say something like 'I'm an FDR democrat".  


 
Well, you do seem to be mentally crippled.
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Prospero » 06 Jun 2023, 7:15 am » wrote: Trump is likely to be charged with obstruction of justice relating to the deliberate and willful theft of national defense information documents, in violation of the Espionage ACT, mishandling of NDI docs.  

Now pay close attention:  Violation of the Espionage Act does NOT depend on any classification regime,

In the meantime, grow up a little. Your writing is sophomoric.
OH, so you are saying that Biden needs to be INDICTED AS WELL since he ALSO had possession under Espionage Act!! And I can assure you that storing them behind you Corvette on a shelf isn't "proper handling" as you claim.

You can't  charge Trump UNLESS YOU ALSO CHARGE BIDEN because the SAME RULES APPLY TO YOUR **** BOY TOO!!

Sucks you have to admit that, right belcher.
 
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Jantje_Smit » 06 Jun 2023, 8:39 am » wrote: Oh, so you didn't get him now but you will... soon...

Seriously?

The issue is your credibility, you're the one claiming they will get him soon... and given the track record of the 'we got him now' cult that is a really clueless statement...

As for the ad homs, you don't realize where you are I think but stick around and you will find out...

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The tard genuinely believes that he has a right to demand we look away from the 7 years of we-got-him-nows like it's dixie-land a-burnin', and debate the dubious merits of this latest hysteria - entirely outside of of that context. 

I find it quite ironic that he, of ALL people, is not the one most burned-out by we-got-him-now fatigue. It's like there is a streak of masochism that informs these morons, as they continue to grasp at the next straw with the same certitude and optimism they felt for the last several thousand straws. It is indicative of a DEEP pathology - a complete loss of reality. They are obviously suffering gaslighting-induced dissociation. They truly cannot see how ridiculous they look with their whakamole claims of impending victory over the Orange Menace that lives in their heads. 

He perceives our dismissiveness and eye rolling and finger pointing as unfair and uncalled for. You could bowl him over with a feather. He quite has the vaypahs at the reception he has encountered. The boy needs a faintin' couch.
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice

"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"

You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.

Who cuts off your dick is not a friend

An opinion you won't defend is not your own

Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe

When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge

If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
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Cannonpointer » 06 Jun 2023, 12:37 pm » wrote: The tard genuinely believes that he has a right to demand we look away from the 7 years of we-got-him-nows like it's dixie-land a-burnin', and debate the dubious merits of this latest hysteria - entirely outside of of that context. 

I find it quite ironic that he, of ALL people, is not the one most burned-out by we-got-him-now fatigue. It's like there is a streak of masochism that informs these morons, as they continue to grasp at the next straw with the same certitude and optimism they felt for the last several thousand straws. It is indicative of a DEEP pathology - a complete loss of reality. They are obviously suffering gaslighting-induced dissociation. They truly cannot see how ridiculous they look with their whakamole claims of impending victory over the Orange Menace that lives in their heads. 

He perceives our dismissiveness and eye rolling and finger pointing as unfair and uncalled for. You could bowl him over with a feather. He quite has the vaypahs at the reception he has encountered. The boy needs a faintin' couch.

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