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B.See » 06 Jun 2023, 10:19 am » wrote: ↑

06 Jun 2023, 10:19 am

Well, last time I looked, Democrats HAVEN'T 

• ENGAGED IN VOTER SUPPRESSION CONTRARY TO STATISTICAL EVIDENCE OF RELATIVELY LITTLE VOTER FRAUD 
• TOLD A KNOWN TERRORIST GROUP TO "STAND BACK AND STAND BY" WITH REGARD TO POSSIBLY LOSING AN ELECTION 
• CLAIMED THAT THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION WAS "STOLEN" WHEN YOU FKNG KNEW (AND PRIVATELY ACKNOWLEDGED) YOU LOST 
• HAD YOUR LIE BACKED BY A RIGHT WINGED PROPAGANDA NETWORK WHO ALSO KNOWINGLY LIED 
• ENGAGED IN COLLUSION WITH DEEP STATE MAGAS AT VARIOUS STATE LEVELS TO GET THE VOTING RESULTS THROWN OUT OR OVERTURNED 
• ASSEMBLED AND SENT A BATCH OF FAKE ELECTORS TO WASHINGTON WITH FRAUDULENT DOCUMENTS CONTAINING FAKE RESULTS 
• THREATENED A VICE PRESIDENT FOR NOT GOING ALONG WITH THE FKNG LIE 
• INCITED AN ARMED MOB TO STORM THE CAPITOL LOOKING TO "HANG" THAT VICE PRESIDENT 
• WHILE 147 MAGA LAWMAKERS CO-CONSPIRATORS VOTED AGAINST CERTIFYING THE ELECTION 
• AFTER WHICH THE MAGA PARTY'S NATIONAL COMMITTEE CALLED THIS ATTEMPTED COUP AND OVERTHROW OF DEMOCRACY, "LEGITIMATE POLITICAL DISCOURSE"
•  AND MAGA CONNECTED SO-CALLED "AUDITORS" IN AN ATTEMPT TO PROVE THEIR LIES, BREACHED VOTING MACHINES, REMOVED VOTER RECORDS TO UNKNOWN LOCATIONS, AND AFTER ALL THAT **** AND MORE, 
• STILL CAME UP EMPTY HANDED.

NOT "****" as you say. But documented HISTORICAL FACTS.  And MAGAS saying otherwise, doesn't CHANGE THE FACTS.
 
(thanks Prospero for addressing the rest of it).

TRUTH in BLUE (Part B)

• INCITED AN ARMED MOB TO STORM THE CAPITOL LOOKING TO "HANG" THAT VICE PRESIDENT 
• MOST of the evidence seems to indicate that the FBI, and FBI PLANTS were the ones who CREATED the Jan 6th issue... WHY?  Because they NEEDED something to COMPLETELY dis-credit Donald Trump... BUT, the more people looked into it... they found the FBI, the DOJ, and the Democrat Party were behind it.. STARTING with Nancy Pelosi who REFUSED to bring in crowd control support ahead of the demonstration, the FBI and DOJ who PLANTED instigators (were ON THEIR PAYROLL), and SINCE have COMPLETELY ABUSED the people who they arrested that day... THERE WILL BE JUSTICE when it ALL comes to light !!
•  
• WHILE 147 MAGA LAWMAKERS CO-CONSPIRATORS VOTED AGAINST CERTIFYING THE ELECTION 
• The election WAS CERTIFIED... **** !!  THAT was NEVER an issue !!
•  
• AFTER WHICH THE MAGA PARTY'S NATIONAL COMMITTEE CALLED THIS ATTEMPTED COUP AND OVERTHROW OF DEMOCRACY, "LEGITIMATE POLITICAL DISCOURSE"
• In the 1960's the Democrats would have called THIS a "DEMONSTRATION"... MORE to the point, in 2020... they DID call the RIOTS THAT RAGED all ACROSS the COUNTRY, FOR MONTHS... THEY called THOSE  "DEMONSTRATIONS"... where PEOPLE were KILLED, PROPERTY was DESTROYED, and RESIDENTS were TERRIFIED...  I CALL THAT a "DOUBLE STANDARD "
•  
•  AND MAGA CONNECTED SO-CALLED "AUDITORS" IN AN ATTEMPT TO PROVE THEIR LIES, BREACHED VOTING MACHINES, REMOVED VOTER RECORDS TO UNKNOWN LOCATIONS, AND AFTER ALL THAT **** AND MORE, 
• All of that is STILL an open issue... one thing for CERTAIN... the DROP boxes and the VOTE Harvesting for WEEKS after the elections were ABUSES of the SYSTEM !

America is dying.....

Period

WASH DC

is now a

TERRORIST STATE

WASH DC TERRORIST LLC

ConservativeWave » 06 Jun 2023, 8:29 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Jun 2023, 8:29 pm

The FACTS in BLUE above... READ and WEEP (Part A)!

Incompetent rebuttal, no substantiation offered. 

I don't engage with lazy posters.  

 

Prospero » 07 Jun 2023, 11:35 am » wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2023, 11:35 am

Incompetent rebuttal, no substantiation offered. 

I don't engage with lazy posters.

you don't engage in anything shilly

Edward Snowden.......nailed it. 
WASH DC is a MAFIA.

 

 

Sumela » 06 Jun 2023, 10:20 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Jun 2023, 10:20 pm

WASH DC

is now a

TERRORIST STATE

Now?
 

Sumela » 07 Jun 2023, 11:42 am » wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2023, 11:42 am

Edward Snowden.......nailed it. 
WASH DC is a MAFIA.

I like Snowden, but he's a fool.  However, if I were president, I'd pardon him after he served a couple of years in jail.   

Prospero » 07 Jun 2023, 11:58 am » wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2023, 11:58 am

I like Snowden, but he's a fool.  However, if I were president, I'd pardon him after he served a couple of years in jail.

ya because liberal assholes like you don't believe in the rule of law

Prospero » 07 Jun 2023, 11:58 am » wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2023, 11:58 am

I like Snowden, but he's a fool.  However, if I were president, I'd pardon him after he served a couple of years in jail.

I loved how he embarrassed Obama.  So funny and gangster.
He is right that WASH DC is run by criminals.

Thank God he and family are happy in Russia    Putin just keeps winning  

 
 

Mrkelly » 07 Jun 2023, 11:55 am » wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2023, 11:55 am

Now?

  .  Well they have cemented their lead over any other terrorists

with the German pipeline and no this dam bombing atrocity in S. Ukraine.

Both within 9 mos of each other.  

Doesnt matter to anyone....Bud Light is more important.  
 

ConservativeWave » 03 Jun 2023, 9:24 am » wrote: ↑

03 Jun 2023, 9:24 am

80% of the FBI... and probably 80% of America in general... wants to have NOTHING to do with the CORRUPTION in today's FBI... and DO NOT support the Totalitarian Deep State elements within our Government... AND SO... We STILL have ENOUGH SUPPORT to take back the DEMOCRACY THAT IS OURS... from the CORRUPT TOTALITARIAN elements who would TAKE it from us !!

BECAUSE if we don't do it NOW... there WILL come a time when IT WILL BE TOO LATE !!

Below, was in interview with Maria Barataromo, and an EX FBI agent named Nichole Parker... this as part of the announcement that FBI Director Christopher Wray... faced with CONTEMPT of Congress threats, WILL deliver subpoenaed documents (relating to Joe Biden's CORRUPTION and acceptance of millions of dollars in bribes and kick-back)... to Congress.  THIS interview, as well as the testimony of ALL the FBI whistleblowers.... IS BEEN EYE OPENING !!↓https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM5mhG1IV1o&t=32s

F- THE FBI.  IT IS CORRUPT AND MUST BE DEFUNDED AND DISMANTLED.
 

B.See » 03 Jun 2023, 9:20 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Jun 2023, 9:20 pm

It's all just typical reich-winged Bizarro-world alternate reality anyway. Their modus operandi is to accuse democrats of what THEY in fact are. 

The above has been the FAVORITE tactic of Democras for over 30 years... and YOU have the GALL to accuse Republicans of doing it?  GIVE US EXAMPLES... like Democrats fighting against FISA warrants in the early 2000's... and then is was DEMOCRATS who FALSIFIED FISA warrants to spy on Donald Trump (PROVEN).. and GOD KNOWS how many timed they have done it before... OR like Democrats who accused TRUMP of trying to STEAL an election... when it was the Democrats, the FBI and the deep State who CREATED FAKE accusations against Trump, Investigated him for YEARS, and ultimately found NOTHING... and TRIEd and succeeded in INFLUENCING the 2020 election... The SHOE however might be on the OTHER foot today !

Y'know, like how the domestic terrorists Moms for 'Liberty' are really about their liberty to ban and white wash the history of Black people and other minorities from school books, the liberty to demonize gay people, and the liberty to offer up "alternative viewpoints" on the Holocaust, even.

NO ONE is trying to HIDE what happened to Blacks and gays in the past... TODAY, THEY are FREE to live their lives as they see fit... NO ONE is trying to CHANGE history from the Republican side.  HOWEVER... DEMOCRATS... DO YOU KNOW that we fought a Civil war where OVER 600,000 white Americans died FIGHTING to FREE slaves?  DEMOCRATS are trying to take down the statues of some of the SAME MEN who gave their LIVES in that fight !

These are the people who've tried to overthrow a democratically held presidential election, whose representatives (147 of them) refused to certify Biden's election, whose RNC declared the violent assault upon our nation's Capitol to be "legitimate political discourse." 

A "democratically held presidential election"... DO you KNOW that investigating a sitting president when the KNEW he was innocent... and HIDING the Hunter Laptop story so that American could not HEAR how and why Joe Biden is and was a CORRUPT SOB... is a the VERY LEAST Election interference... and VERY PROBABLY Election FRAUD as well ?  lets not even he into DEMOCRAT VOTE Harvesting, and STUFFING ballot boxes !!

The party that on a state level, has sought to take over election boards, ousting those not completely beholden to them, have passed numerous voter suppression laws, have empowered themselves to overturn voter outcomes they don't like 

SOMEONE needs to TAKE BACK our elections... Under the Democrat Party and their voting liberalization... ILLEGALS CAN VOTE... VOTES can be harvested WEEKS after the elections are over,and BALLOTS can be STUFFED into ballot boxes, in the wee hours of the night... KNOWING there is NO WAY the ballots can EVER be verified... America NEEDS to FIX some of these INTENTIONAL Liberalization laws that have been passed by DEMOCRATS !!

have gerrymandered districts to give themselves more seats with fewer votes, are making it harder for states to be able to hold elections for voter initiatives 

YOU HAVE to know that Democrats have been gerrymandering for 100 YEARS or MORE... it's only when Republicans started playing the same game tha Democras got TERRIFIED !


 

YOU are FULL of **** !!   The FACTS in BLUE.. above... (Part A):
 
 
 

YOU are FULL of **** !! The FACTS in BLUE.. above... (Part B):

and have taken political, economic, and even judicial power away from municipalities within their state (especially in cities with significant minority populations).

Municipalities are generally under the SAME laws as the States and the Nation... THEY should be imposing LAWS, as directed by the responsible State and Federal lawmakers... WHAT is your problem with THAT ?

They are also the party whose Heritage Foundation have, for DECADES, literally written a fkn BLUEPRINT of governance for Republicans to follow (and had the audacity to actually CALL it that),

I have NO IDEA what you're talking about... I'll ONLY say..that the US Constitution grants the States and the Federal Government jurisdiction in VARIOUS areas... AND, STATE laws CAN abd DO vary... STATE and FEDERAL lawmakers MAKE the laws... the heritage Foundation has NO DIRECT role.. So.. WHAT the FVUCK are you TALING about ??

an organization that has guided if not DICTATED Republican policy since Ronnie fkn Reagan, and whose Federalist Society also DICTATES to the GOP which judges to appoint.

As stated above !!

And they've just successfully negotiated a debt ceiling "deal" that makes it harder for the working poor to get by, but they damn well made SURE to defund the IRS so their weathy CRONY TAX CHEATS can still make out like FAT RATS.

America is TRILLIONS of $$$$ in debt, PRINTING TRILLIONS of dollars out of THIN air... and diluting the dollar which is at least PART of the inflation problem... the BRICS countries ( Brazil, Rissia, India China, Saudi Arabia) are trying to find a REPLACEMENT currency for the Dollar as the Worlds RESERVE Currency... IF they are successful... then watch the dollar fall, and GOLD and INFLATION skyrocket... WE have quantitative EASED our way to the verge of a dollar crisis... and YOU would like to JUST KEEP the spigots WIDE OPEN ! The debts celing was th FIRST act of SANITY in the Joe Biden administration

But hey, it's the Democrats who have a "deep state."

YES... AND there's NO DOUBT about it... NONE !!
 
 

Skans » 07 Jun 2023, 1:17 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2023, 1:17 pm

F- THE FBI.  IT IS CORRUPT AND MUST BE DEFUNDED AND DISMANTLED.

This is a **** story.  When the dust settles, Republicans in the house are going to have egg on their faces 

Wray invited anyone from congress to view the document in a controlled setting.  The Congress has no right to any document that is part of an ongoing investigation, it's a separation of powers thing.  

Prospero » 08 Jun 2023, 6:16 am » wrote: ↑

08 Jun 2023, 6:16 am

This is a **** story.  When the dust settles, Republicans in the house are going to have egg on their faces 

Wray invited anyone from congress to view the document in a controlled setting.  The Congress has no right to any document that is part of an ongoing investigation, it's a separation of powers thing.

the fbi is **** lying....

Prospero » 08 Jun 2023, 6:16 am » wrote: ↑

08 Jun 2023, 6:16 am

This is a **** story.  When the dust settles, Republicans in the house are going to have egg on their faces 

Wray invited anyone from congress to view the document in a controlled setting.  The Congress has no right to any document that is part of an ongoing investigation, it's a separation of powers thing.

Not true.  Congress has the right to investigate FBI corruption.  We'll just have to let the Supreme Court decide this.  FWIW, the House should simply refuse to pass any budget that has funding for the Department of Justice.
 

Skans » 08 Jun 2023, 7:53 am » wrote: ↑

08 Jun 2023, 7:53 am

Not true.  Congress has the right to investigate FBI corruption.  We'll just have to let the Supreme Court decide this.

 The Congress has no right to any document that is part of an ongoing investigation, it's a separation of powers thing. Your contention, though true, does not refute this fact. Constitutionally minded Justices will no doubt agree on that point. Also note that the point is moot given that Dir Wray has invited any congressperson to view the document in question at the FBI headquarters in a secure setting.  They don't need to possess the document, but they can view it, as the invitation was given by Wray.  Also note that the Durham Report made no claim that the FBI was corrupt, nor did the IG Report by Horowitz. In point of fact, the Durham Report only mentioned the term 'corrupt' 6 or 7 times and in each instance, it was in reference to something other than the FBI. I know, I checked.  So, your claim is without evidence. 

FWIW, the House should simply refuse to pass any budget that has funding for the Department of Justice.

THere is no way in hell a budget that does not fund the FBI will ever be signed by the President.  

 
 

ConservativeWave » 07 Jun 2023, 4:05 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2023, 4:05 pm

YOU are FULL of **** !!   The FACTS in BLUE.. above... (Part A):

Incompetent rebuttal, lacks substantiation on points in blue.  

But, on the last point regarding your disingenuous claim that 'Democrats have been gerrymandering for 100 years'....:   

Please know that it was Democrats who put forth a bill to eliminate gerrymandering, and it was Republicans who filibustered it. 

Now then...

The issue of gerrymandering is a complex and contentious one, and it is important to approach it with an understanding of its history and context. While it is true that gerrymandering has been practiced by both major political parties in the United States, attributing it exclusively to Democrats for 100 years or more is not accurate.

 The term "gerrymandering" originated in the early 19th century when Massachusetts Governor Elbridge Gerry signed a redistricting plan that favored his party, the Democratic-Republicans. Since then, gerrymandering has been employed by both Democrats and Republicans to manipulate electoral boundaries to their advantage. Both parties have historically used gerrymandering when they had the opportunity to do so.

 It is important to note that the extent and impact of gerrymandering can vary depending on the time period, political landscape, and the states in question. The practice has evolved over time, and its effects on elections and representation have become more significant with advances in technology and data analysis.It is true that discussions about gerrymandering have gained more attention in recent years, and concerns about its impact have been raised by both sides of the political spectrum. The increased attention may be attributed to a variety of factors, including advances in mapping technology, heightened political polarization, and high-stakes elections.

 To fully understand the issue of gerrymandering, it is essential to consider the broader historical and political context rather than assigning blame exclusively to one party. Both Democrats and Republicans have engaged in gerrymandering practices, and efforts to address this issue have come from individuals and organizations across the political spectrum seeking fair and impartial electoral processes.