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maineman » 25 Jun 2023, 10:48 am » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 10:48 am

When I rape kids and they scream....


A give them ....the MUZZLE BREAK


 

 

 

 


 

maineman » 25 Jun 2023, 10:48 am » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 10:48 am

@golfboy  ?

You are correct in one thing:  The clown was not charged with violating the PRA, for one reason... the PRA is not a criminal statute and this was a criminal indictment.  He was charged with violating the Espionage Act.  The Espionage Act doesn't care about classification and it doesn't care about whether anyone has called a particular document personal or presidential.  

How's that muzzle break[sic] thing working out for you?

So what, ASSWIPER??

So HOW are your boys going to prove INTENT TO HARM THE UNITED STATES, which is a REQUIREMENT for having documents to be a CRIME???

Since you are a POS and a **** CHICKEN **** YELLOW COWARD, YOU WILL NOT RESPOND, SO WE CAN TAKE THAT AS YOU HAVE NO CLUE AND NEITHER DOES SMITH!!

Sucks you are not just STUPID, but mortally STUPID as it comes.

And the PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS ACT controls the outcome of ALL DOCUMENTS in the possession of a FORMER PRESIDENT as well as the one in office today. To use the "Espionage Act" as a crime where the FORMER PRESIDENT is in LEGAL POSSESSION OF DOCUMENTS HE CREATED DURING HIS PRESIDENCY is what is called **** and nothing more than an attempt to PERSECUTE someone that YOUR NASTY BIASED DOJ ILK HATES!!
 
 

jerrab » 25 Jun 2023, 7:20 am » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 7:20 am

comiing from someone who ignores the law I am supposed to be impressed????

hahaha

Well, fruitcake, it's NOT ME that refuses to understand  JUDGE Jackson's INTERPRETATION of the PRA and how it applies to ANY FORMER PRESIDENT!! YOU'VE even said it was "wrong" and doesn't apply since it BLOWS YOUR **** OUT OF THE WATER AND FLUSHES IT INTO THE CESSPOOL OF LWNJ PROPAGANDA!!!

Oh... and  @golfboy  ...The Espionage Act, which used to be called Pub L. 65-24, now resides in 18 U.S. Code § 792 et. seq.  

Of note is the fact that under § 793 (the section cited in Jack Smith's indictment), subsections (d), (e), (f), and (g) require neither purpose nor intent as an element of the crime.
 

golfboy » 25 Jun 2023, 9:37 am » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 9:37 am

Link?

https://www.govinfo.gov/link/uscode/44/2203

(a) Through the implementation of records management controls and other necessary actions, the President shall take all such steps as may be necessary to assure that the activities, deliberations, decisions, and policies that reflect the performance of the President’s constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties are adequately documented and that such records are preserved and maintained as Presidential records pursuant to the requirements of this section and other provisions of law. (b) Documentary materials produced or received by the President, the President’s staff, or units or individuals in the Executive Office of
the President the function of which is to advise or assist the President, shall, to the extent practicable, be categorized as Presidential records or personal records upon

jerrab » 25 Jun 2023, 2:03 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 2:03 pm

https://www.govinfo.gov/link/uscode/44/2203

(a) Through the implementation of records management controls and other necessary actions, the President shall take all such steps as may be necessary to assure that the activities, deliberations, decisions, and policies that reflect the performance of the President’s constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties are adequately documented and that such records are preserved and maintained as Presidential records pursuant to the requirements of this section and other provisions of law. (b) Documentary materials produced or received by the President, the President’s staff, or units or individuals in the Executive Office of
the President the function of which is to advise or assist the President, shall, to the extent practicable, be categorized as Presidential records or personal records upon

Sorry. Trump wasn't charged under this law. 

 

maineman » 25 Jun 2023, 11:28 am » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 11:28 am

Oh... and  @golfboy  ...The Espionage Act, which used to be called Pub L. 65-24, now resides in 18 U.S. Code § 792 et. seq.  

Of note is the fact that under § 793 (the section cited in Jack Smith's indictment), subsections (d), (e), (f), and (g) require neither purpose nor intent as an element of the crime.

Liar.  Intent is required, no matter how many times you lie about it.  I've given you think link from the House Government website that maintains the code.
Every time you do this, I'm happy to supply you the link to the CURRENT LAW.
The amusing part is that you cited the correct law, but not the current version. 

Notice the effective date:
18 USC 793: Gathering, transmitting or losing defense informationText contains those laws in effect on June 24, 2023

(d) Whoever, lawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or
 
 

Beekeeper » 25 Jun 2023, 11:12 am » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 11:12 am

Well, fruitcake, it's NOT ME that refuses to understand  JUDGE Jackson's INTERPRETATION of the PRA and how it applies to ANY FORMER PRESIDENT!! YOU'VE even said it was "wrong" and doesn't apply since it BLOWS YOUR **** OUT OF THE WATER AND FLUSHES IT INTO THE CESSPOOL OF LWNJ PROPAGANDA!!!

she omitted half the law and her ruling does not change the law.

 

golfboy » 25 Jun 2023, 2:15 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 2:15 pm

Liar.  Intent is required, no matter how many times you lie about it.  I've given you think link from the House Government website that maintains the code.
Every time you do this, I'm happy to supply you the link to the CURRENT LAW.
The amusing part is that you cited the correct law, but not the current version. 

Notice the effective date:
18 USC 793: Gathering, transmitting or losing defense informationText contains those laws in effect on June 24, 2023

(d) Whoever, lawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or

trump willfully retained the documents.
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or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or
 

Beekeeper » 25 Jun 2023, 11:12 am » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 11:12 am

Well, fruitcake, it's NOT ME that refuses to understand  JUDGE Jackson's INTERPRETATION of the PRA and how it applies to ANY FORMER PRESIDENT!! YOU'VE even said it was "wrong" and doesn't apply since it BLOWS YOUR **** OUT OF THE WATER AND FLUSHES IT INTO THE CESSPOOL OF LWNJ PROPAGANDA!!!

(a)
Through the implementation of records management controls and other necessary actions, the President shall take all such steps as may be necessary to assure that the activities, deliberations, decisions, and policies that reflect the performance of the President’s constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties are adequately documented and that such records are preserved and maintained as Presidential records pursuant to the requirements of this section and other provisions of law.

(b)
Documentary materials produced or received by the President, the President’s staff, or units or individuals in the Executive Office of the President the function of which is to advise or assist the President, shall, to the extent practicable, be categorized as Presidential records or personal records upon their creation or receipt 


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jackson only cited -b-, she has no authority to nullify -a-
 

jerrab » 25 Jun 2023, 2:51 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 2:51 pm

(a)
Through the implementation of records management controls and other necessary actions, the President shall take all such steps as may be necessary to assure that the activities, deliberations, decisions, and policies that reflect the performance of the President’s constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties are adequately documented and that such records are preserved and maintained as Presidential records pursuant to the requirements of this section and other provisions of law.

(b)
Documentary materials produced or received by the President, the President’s staff, or units or individuals in the Executive Office of the President the function of which is to advise or assist the President, shall, to the extent practicable, be categorized as Presidential records or personal records upon their creation or receipt 

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jackson only cited -b-, she has no authority to nullify -a-

Yeah, the PRESIDENT controls those DOCUMENTS and their CLASSIFICATION!! Judge Jackson DISTINCTLY said as much, ****!!

jerrab » 25 Jun 2023, 2:42 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 2:42 pm

she omitted half the law and her ruling does not change the law.

YOU need to go tell HER that, ASSWIPE and then you can show her that LAW DEGREE you don't have and never will have.

Fact is, you can't even READ AND INTERPRET what this LAW REALLY SAYS since PLAIN ENGLISH seems to be something you can't comprehend worth 2 ****.
 

Beekeeper » 25 Jun 2023, 4:37 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 4:37 pm

Yeah, the PRESIDENT controls those DOCUMENTS and their CLASSIFICATION!! Judge Jackson DISTINCTLY said as much, ****!!

nope, he has guidelines.

a Through the implementation of records management controls and other necessary actions, the President shall take all such steps as may be necessary to assure that the activities, deliberations, decisions, and policies that reflect the performance of the President’s constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties are adequately documented and that such records are preserved and maintained as Presidential records pursuant to the requirements of this section and other provisions of law.

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the president's duty is to preserve government documents for nara as stated in A.

jackson had no power to overturn this. it was deceitful of her to omit it. but she did not fool the prosecutor.

Beekeeper » 25 Jun 2023, 4:39 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 4:39 pm

YOU need to go tell HER that, ASSWIPE and then you can show her that LAW DEGREE you don't have and never will have.

Fact is, you can't even READ AND INTERPRET what this LAW REALLY SAYS since PLAIN ENGLISH seems to be something you can't comprehend worth 2 ****.

Through the implementation of records management controls and other necessary actions, the President shall take all such steps as may be necessary to assure that the activities, deliberations, decisions, and policies that reflect the performance of the President’s constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties are adequately documented and that such records are preserved and maintained as Presidential records pursuant to the requirements of this section and other provisions of law.
 

Beekeeper » 25 Jun 2023, 4:39 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 4:39 pm

YOU need to go tell HER that, ASSWIPE and then you can show her that LAW DEGREE you don't have and never will have.

Fact is, you can't even READ AND INTERPRET what this LAW REALLY SAYS since PLAIN ENGLISH seems to be something you can't comprehend worth 2 ****.

explain what this means

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Through the implementation of records management controls and other necessary actions, the President shall take all such steps as may be necessary to assure that the activities, deliberations, decisions, and policies that reflect the performance of the President’s constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties are adequately documented and that such records are preserved and maintained as Presidential records pursuant to the requirements of this section and other provisions of law.

jerra b » 25 Jun 2023, 4:55 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 4:55 pm

nope, he has guidelines.

a Through the implementation of records management controls and other necessary actions, the President shall take all such steps as may be necessary to assure that the activities, deliberations, decisions, and policies that reflect the performance of the President’s constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties are adequately documented and that such records are preserved and maintained as Presidential records pursuant to the requirements of this section and other provisions of law.

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the president's duty is to preserve government documents for nara as stated in A.

jackson had no power to overturn this. it was deceitful of her to omit it. but she did not fool the prosecutor.

are not guidelines suggestions to control the future to come to same results as the past? Static ideas won't evolve like genetic results are now.

jerrab » 25 Jun 2023, 5:00 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 5:00 pm

explain what this means

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Through the implementation of records management controls and other necessary actions, the President shall take all such steps as may be necessary to assure that the activities, deliberations, decisions, and policies that reflect the performance of the President’s constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties are adequately documented and that such records are preserved and maintained as Presidential records pursuant to the requirements of this section and other provisions of law.

IT MEANS that the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES is the SOLE PERSON to determine what are PRESIDENTIAL records and what are PERSONAL records.

Same as what Judge Jackson ruled in telling the PLAINTIFF that there is NO LEGAL BASIS for the NARA to make ANY determination of what records Clinton could keep!!

Sucks you just can't seem to grasp that ONE SIMPLE CONCEPT, DICKSUCKBOY!!

jerrab » 25 Jun 2023, 4:55 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 4:55 pm

nope, he has guidelines.

a Through the implementation of records management controls and other necessary actions, the President shall take all such steps as may be necessary to assure that the activities, deliberations, decisions, and policies that reflect the performance of the President’s constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties are adequately documented and that such records are preserved and maintained as Presidential records pursuant to the requirements of this section and other provisions of law.

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the president's duty is to preserve government documents for nara as stated in A.

jackson had no power to overturn this. it was deceitful of her to omit it. but she did not fool the prosecutor.

****.

Jackson's ruling NEVER overturned ANYTHING!! Her ruling was VERY simple:

THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS THE SOLE PERSON WHO DETERMINES WHAT IS PRESIDENTIAL AND WHAT IS PERSONAL. PERIOD!!! Sure there are "guidelines' but those are ONLY GUIDELINES and not cast in stone REQUIREMENTS!!

GO **** YOURSELF!! Next ******* POST OF YOURS AND IGGY FOR YOU FOREVER, ASSHOLE!!

golfboy » 25 Jun 2023, 2:15 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 2:15 pm

Liar.  Intent is required, no matter how many times you lie about it.  I've given you think link from the House Government website that maintains the code.
Every time you do this, I'm happy to supply you the link to the CURRENT LAW.
The amusing part is that you cited the correct law, but not the current version. 

Notice the effective date:
18 USC 793: Gathering, transmitting or losing defense informationText contains those laws in effect on June 24, 2023

(d) Whoever, lawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or

That does not say "INTENT."  Nor is intent mentioned in Subsections (e), (f), OR (g).

Anyone with half a brain would know that TS (SI) documents produced by NSA or CIA or DoD COULD BE USED TO THE INJURY OF THE UNITED STATES if they fell into the wrong hands.

Beekeeper » 25 Jun 2023, 5:21 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 5:21 pm

****.

Jackson's ruling NEVER overturned ANYTHING!! Her ruling was VERY simple:

THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS THE SOLE PERSON WHO DETERMINES WHAT IS PRESIDENTIAL AND WHAT IS PERSONAL. PERIOD!!! Sure there are "guidelines' but those are ONLY GUIDELINES and not cast in stone REQUIREMENTS!!

GO **** YOURSELF!! Next ******* POST OF YOURS AND IGGY FOR YOU FOREVER, ASSHOLE!!

you did not explain because you are too stupid.