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"DOJ has one big problem with its Trump criminal case, legal expert says"
"DOJ has one big problem with its Trump criminal case, legal expert says"
By roadkill
9 Jun 2023 4:22 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
25 Jun 2023 6:10 pm
Let us know when yer ready to stop lying jb.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/msv0g5wEVyE
25 Jun 2023 6:15 pm
roadkill » 25 Jun 2023, 6:10 pm » wrote: ↑ Let us know when yer ready to stop lying jb.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/msv0g5wEVyE
let me know when you have learned how to read.
25 Jun 2023 6:29 pm
from your link:golfboy » 25 Jun 2023, 2:15 pm » wrote: ↑ Liar. Intent is required, no matter how many times you lie about it. I've given you think link from the House Government website that maintains the code.
Every time you do this, I'm happy to supply you the link to the CURRENT LAW.
The amusing part is that you cited the correct law, but not the current version.
Notice the effective date:
18 USC 793: Gathering, transmitting or losing defense informationText contains those laws in effect on June 24, 2023
(d) Whoever, lawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or
(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer-
not one PEEP about intent, or purpose, or even belief.
25 Jun 2023 6:32 pm
Stop lying jb.
25 Jun 2023 6:36 pm
roadkill » 25 Jun 2023, 6:10 pm » wrote: ↑ Let us know when yer ready to stop lying jb.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/msv0g5wEVyE
trump stole 4 years worth of government documents and some contained information that be used to jeopardize the safety of the country.
25 Jun 2023 6:37 pm
can you read this?
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A -Through the implementation of records management controls and other necessary actions, the President shall take all such steps as may be necessary to assure that the activities, deliberations, decisions, and policies that reflect the performance of the President’s constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties are adequately documented and that such records are preserved and maintained as Presidential records pursuant to the requirements of this section and other provisions of law.
25 Jun 2023 6:46 pm
lol. Need help moving those goalposts mainbitch?maineman » 25 Jun 2023, 6:29 pm » wrote: ↑ from your link:
(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer-
not one PEEP about intent, or purpose, or even belief.
First it was section d, then e, now f?
Can you quote from the charges that this is the paragraph he has been charged with violating?
25 Jun 2023 6:47 pm
Stole?jerrab » 25 Jun 2023, 6:36 pm » wrote: ↑ trump stole 4 years worth of government documents and some contained information that be used to jeopardize the safety of the country.
The Presidential Records Act says he, and he alone, decides what is his, and what is not.
25 Jun 2023 6:52 pm
Doesn't matter how many times you delete the actual words of the law, and rewrite them to your own purpose, it's not going to change the facts.maineman » 25 Jun 2023, 5:39 pm » wrote: ↑ That does not say "INTENT." Nor is intent mentioned in Subsections (e), (f), OR (g).
Anyone with half a brain would know that TS (SI) documents produced by NSA or CIA or DoD COULD BE USED TO THE INJURY OF THE UNITED STATES if they fell into the wrong hands.
How is showing an old map, going to hurt the United States?
25 Jun 2023 6:52 pm
golfboy » 25 Jun 2023, 6:47 pm » wrote: ↑ Stole?
The Presidential Records Act says he, and he alone, decides what is his, and what is not.
nope-
Through the implementation of records management controls and other necessary actions, the President shall take all such steps as may be necessary to assure that the activities, deliberations, decisions, and policies that reflect the performance of the President’s constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties are adequately documented and that such records are preserved and maintained as Presidential records pursuant to the requirements of this section and other provisions of law.
25 Jun 2023 6:55 pm
Ask the people who still consider the document to be TS (SI).golfboy » 25 Jun 2023, 6:52 pm » wrote: ↑ Doesn't matter how many times you delete the actual words of the law, and rewrite them to your own purpose, it's not going to change the facts.
How is showing an old map, going to hurt the United States?
again... NO INTENT IS REQUIRED. The word INTENT isn't mentioned in the last five subsections of the statute.
25 Jun 2023 7:01 pm
Trump declassified them when he removed them from the White House.maineman » 25 Jun 2023, 6:55 pm » wrote: ↑ Ask the people who still consider the document to be TS (SI).
again... NO INTENT IS REQUIRED. The word INTENT isn't mentioned in the last five subsections of the statute.
No one else gets to decide what is secret, and what is not.
An Obama Federal Judge actually said that.
But she was a black woman, so you probably think she's a liar, because you're a racist POS.
25 Jun 2023 7:04 pm
The espionage act does not even mention the word "classification" or "declassification" for that matter. oops!golfboy » 25 Jun 2023, 7:01 pm » wrote: ↑ Trump declassified them when he removed them from the White House.
No one else gets to decide what is secret, and what is not.
An Obama Federal Judge actually said that.
But she was a black woman, so you probably think she's a liar, because you're a racist POS.
He can declassify anything he wants, it still does not mean that it is not potentially harmful to the US if it fell into the wrong hands.
25 Jun 2023 7:07 pm
Federal Judge Amy Jackson says you don't know what you're talking about.jerrab » 25 Jun 2023, 6:52 pm » wrote: ↑ nope-
Through the implementation of records management controls and other necessary actions, the President shall take all such steps as may be necessary to assure that the activities, deliberations, decisions, and policies that reflect the performance of the President’s constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties are adequately documented and that such records are preserved and maintained as Presidential records pursuant to the requirements of this section and other provisions of law.
“The [Presidential Records Act] does not confer any mandatory or even discretional authority on the archivist, Under the statute, this responsibility is left solely to the president.”
25 Jun 2023 7:09 pm
For example, @golfboy .... Donald Trump could have "declassified" the patrol areas for all of our fleet ballistic missile submarines, and "declassified" their weapons load out. That would not mean that that information would not be damaging to the US if it fell into the wrong hands.
25 Jun 2023 7:10 pm
You said they were TS.maineman » 25 Jun 2023, 7:04 pm » wrote: ↑ The espionage act does not even mention the word "classification" or "declassification" for that matter. oops!
He can declassify anything he wants, it still does not mean that it is not potentially harmful to the US if it fell into the wrong hands.
They were not because they were declassified.
You can't prove intent: "... the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation"
25 Jun 2023 7:11 pm
What good would that information be to anyone, when it was 3 years out of date?maineman » 25 Jun 2023, 7:09 pm » wrote: ↑ For example, @golfboy .... Donald Trump could have "declassified" the patrol areas for all of our fleet ballistic missile submarines, and "declassified" their weapons load out. That would not mean that that information would not be damaging to the US if it fell into the wrong hands.
Nothing.
25 Jun 2023 7:12 pm
if you actually think that the president of the united states can declare the nuclear launch codes to be not only unclassified but also his personal and not presidential records, you really are dumber than I thought. And that says a lot.golfboy » 25 Jun 2023, 7:07 pm » wrote: ↑ Federal Judge Amy Jackson says you don't know what you're talking about.
“The [Presidential Records Act] does not confer any mandatory or even discretional authority on the archivist, Under the statute, this responsibility is left solely to the president.”
25 Jun 2023 7:13 pm
do you know how we pick FBM operating areas?golfboy » 25 Jun 2023, 7:11 pm » wrote: ↑ What good would that information be to anyone, when it was 3 years out of date?
Nothing.
Yes or no?
25 Jun 2023 7:13 pm
I never said any such thing. You always play this game, trying to change the subject when you've gotten your ****** grabbed in public.maineman » 25 Jun 2023, 7:12 pm » wrote: ↑ if you actually think that the president of the united states can declare the nuclear launch codes to be not only unclassified but also his personal and not presidential records, you really are dumber than I thought. And that says a lot.
But then again, Clinton lost the launch codes, and you didn't give a ****. Did you?
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