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golfboy » 25 Jun 2023, 8:04 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 8:04 pm

Doesn't matter.  The precent was set in 2012, that the President owns whatever records he wants, and no one can do anything about it.

nope.

he can't and trump found out that his stealing ways landed him in trouble with US government.

maineman » 25 Jun 2023, 8:11 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 8:11 pm

nice dodge.

you lose.  crawl away now.

I've lost because you failed to prove your ignorant claims?
Same old mainibitch. 
 

jerrab » 25 Jun 2023, 8:12 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 8:12 pm

nope.

he can't and trump found out that his stealing ways landed him in trouble with US government.

This is nothing but another political attack. 
As Biden said, they will do anything to prevent Trump from running for President. 

Just like every other claim against him, this one too, will fail. 

 

user1687614437 » 25 Jun 2023, 8:10 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 8:10 pm

 

you claimed to have read the indictment and claimed that the Espionage Act was not mentioned.  I showed you where it was.

It was mentioned right after the 31 different documents that he is charged with mishandling were listed.

Do I have to read them to you or are we good now?

maineman » 25 Jun 2023, 8:14 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 8:14 pm

you claimed to have read the indictment and claimed that the Espionage Act was not mentioned.  I showed you where it was.

It was mentioned right after the 31 different documents that he is charged with mishandling were listed.

Do I have to read them to you or are we good now?

The Espionage Act is not mentioned in the indictment... prove me wrong...

maineman » 25 Jun 2023, 7:51 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 7:51 pm

the charges don't list ANY subsections.

Thanks for proving you haven't read the charges.  You ignorant tool. 
They are literally the FIRST THING in the charging document.  **** you're stupid. 

Here, you **** idiot:  

 
 
 

golfboy » 25 Jun 2023, 8:12 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 8:12 pm

I've lost because you failed to prove your ignorant claims?
Same old mainibitch.

I have proven that the espionage act does not require intent.

I have proven that the classification of the documents is irrelevant to the charges.

What have YOU proven other than you don't know **** from fat meat?

You don't know dick about muzzle brakes, or missile tests, or what the espionage act is all about.  You don't know anything, except how to fry food.

Here is the future of a

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golfboy » 25 Jun 2023, 8:11 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 8:11 pm

Yes he is, but he's not been charged with espionage. 
They are just using the title of the law because it's prejudicial.

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https://crsreports.congress.gov/product ... B/LSB10810


The charges in the indictment fall into three categories. Those categories are • willful retention of documents related to the national defense in violation of the Espionage Act (18 U.S.C. § 793(e)); • obstruction-based charges, including destruction, alteration, or falsification of records in federal investigations (18 U.S.C. § 1519), witness tampering (18 U.S.C. § 1512), and conspiracy to violate the witness tampering statute (18 U.S.C. § 1512(k)); and • false statement offenses (18 U.S.C. § 1001). The indictment also includes 18 U.S.C. § 2 in several of the counts; that provision specifies, among other things, that whoever “commits an offense against the United States or aids, abets, counsels, commands, induces or procures its commission, is punishable as a principal.” The former President is charged in 37 of the 38 counts in the indictment, with a final false-statement count naming the former President’s associate alone. The majority of the counts against the former President fall under the Espionage Act, 18 U.S.C. § 793(e). This Sidebar thus focuses on that provision. (Other CRS products provide more information on some of the other federal obstruction of justice provisions, false statement offenses, and the conspiracy charge in the indictment.) This Sidebar also analyzes presidential authority to declassify documents and the role of declassification for the crimes at issue. Finally, this Sidebar discusses three developments related to the warrant and case against the former Congressional Research Service https://crsreports.congress.gov LSB1081
 

golfboy » 25 Jun 2023, 8:17 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 8:17 pm

Thanks for proving you haven't read the charges.  You ignorant tool. 
They are literally the FIRST THING in the charging document.  **** you're stupid. 

Here, you **** idiot:   
 

(e) Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or

no intent

user1687614437 » 25 Jun 2023, 8:15 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 8:15 pm

The Espionage Act is not mentioned in the indictment... prove me wrong...

the Espionage Act has moved and is now contained in the citation I gave you.

Prove ME wrong.

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maineman » 25 Jun 2023, 8:21 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 8:21 pm

(e) Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or

no intent

Repetition of your lie, isn't going to make it not be a lie. 
Why would Trump have ANY reason to believe that the data he had, would be used to hurt America?
He wouldn't.
 

jerrab » 25 Jun 2023, 8:21 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 8:21 pm

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https://crsreports.congress.gov/product ... B/LSB10810

The charges in the indictment fall into three categories. Those categories are • willful retention of documents related to the national defense in violation of the Espionage Act (18 U.S.C. § 793(e)); • obstruction-based charges, including destruction, alteration, or falsification of records in federal investigations (18 U.S.C. § 1519), witness tampering (18 U.S.C. § 1512), and conspiracy to violate the witness tampering statute (18 U.S.C. § 1512(k)); and • false statement offenses (18 U.S.C. § 1001). The indictment also includes 18 U.S.C. § 2 in several of the counts; that provision specifies, among other things, that whoever “commits an offense against the United States or aids, abets, counsels, commands, induces or procures its commission, is punishable as a principal.” The former President is charged in 37 of the 38 counts in the indictment, with a final false-statement count naming the former President’s associate alone. The majority of the counts against the former President fall under the Espionage Act, 18 U.S.C. § 793(e). This Sidebar thus focuses on that provision. (Other CRS products provide more information on some of the other federal obstruction of justice provisions, false statement offenses, and the conspiracy charge in the indictment.) This Sidebar also analyzes presidential authority to declassify documents and the role of declassification for the crimes at issue. Finally, this Sidebar discusses three developments related to the warrant and case against the former Congressional Research Service https://crsreports.congress.gov LSB1081

All you've done is prove my statement correct.  Thank you.
 

maineman » 25 Jun 2023, 8:23 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 8:23 pm

the Espionage Act has moved and is now contained in the citation I gave you.

Prove ME wrong.

No it is not.... cut and paste "Espionage Ac"t from the indictment or please stop using that term...

golfboy » 25 Jun 2023, 8:23 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 8:23 pm

Repetition of your lie, isn't going to make it not be a lie. 
Why would Trump have ANY reason to believe that the data he had, would be used to hurt America?
He wouldn't.

The law does not require that he believe that it WOULD be used to hurt America.

Again... did you flunk ESL?
 

maineman » 25 Jun 2023, 8:28 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 8:28 pm

The law does not require that he believe that it WOULD be used to hurt America.

Again... did you flunk ESL?

How would those documents be used to hurt America?
Please be specific. 
 
You're a joke.  You didn't even know what the **** charging document said. 

golfboy » 25 Jun 2023, 8:23 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 8:23 pm

Repetition of your lie, isn't going to make it not be a lie. 
Why would Trump have ANY reason to believe that the data he had, would be used to hurt America?
He wouldn't.

the question is why did he keep it?

hint- he is a business man.
 

golfboy » 25 Jun 2023, 8:25 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 8:25 pm

All you've done is prove my statement correct.  Thank you.

nope.

 

golfboy » 25 Jun 2023, 8:29 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 8:29 pm

How would those documents be used to hurt America?
Please be specific. 
 
You're a joke.  You didn't even know what the **** charging document said.

the law does not require that they WOULD be used to hurt America, but only that the person mishandling them knew that they COULD be so used.

are you dumb?