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jerrab » 28 Jun 2023, 10:15 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jun 2023, 10:15 pm

I just hate cheaters and liars and the people who worship them and protect them no matter what.

So you HATE:  Obama, Hillary, Biden....et al .....Please admit it

Neglected in all this discussion is, that in 20 years Trump will be dead, and this nation will go on, and on, and on.

In our schools, usually about the seventh grade, all schoolchildren must study the Presidents.

Schoolteachers always find at least one good thing to say about every one. That includes Buchanan, Grant, Harding, Nixon, and now Trump.

But other than maybe Andrew Jackson, Trump is the wildest, most outrageously awful, biggest piece of **** to ever hold the office, and there have been really ****, bad Presidents.

Thd only major legislation be passed was a tax cut for the wealthy, which if you are wealthy you might agree with.

And his administration did develop a Covid vaccine in record time, but his supporters preferred quack cures and remedies and died at about twice the rate as Democrats. The school marms may have to skip that one.

Should Trump avoid jail, schoolteachers will hold him up with Andrew Johnson, an alcoholic who avoided impeachment and removal, by one vote.

I hope Trump lives to guide children through his library, and serve as an example the dumbest man to ever be President, had three beautiful wives and built grand hotels and became a billionaire and avoided prison.

We shouldn’t send him to prison, although he might deserve it.

If you lock him up you own him.

He’d have to be kept like Napoleon on Elba, lest somebody hurt or kill him.

Bruce » 28 Jun 2023, 11:34 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jun 2023, 11:34 pm

Neglected in all this discussion is, that in 20 years Trump will be dead, and this nation will go on, and on, and on.

In our schools, usually about the seventh grade, all schoolchildren must study the Presidents.

Schoolteachers always find at least one good thing to say about every one. That includes Buchanan, Grant, Harding, Nixon, and now Trump.

But other than maybe Andrew Jackson, Trump is the wildest, most outrageously awful, biggest piece of **** to ever hold the office, and there have been really ****, bad Presidents.

Thd only major legislation be passed was a tax cut for the wealthy, which if you are wealthy you might agree with.

And his administration did develop a Covid vaccine in record time, but his supporters preferred quack cures and remedies and died at about twice the rate as Democrats. The school marms may have to skip that one.

Should Trump avoid jail, schoolteachers will hold him up with Andrew Johnson, an alcoholic who avoided impeachment and removal, by one vote.

I hope Trump lives to guide children through his library, and serve as an example the dumbest man to ever be President, had three beautiful wives and built grand hotels and became a billionaire and avoided prison.

We shouldn’t send him to prison, although he might deserve it.

If you lock him up you own him.

He’d have to be kept like Napoleon on Elba, lest somebody hurt or kill him.

and because of trump and all his supporters all the decent republicans were forced out. all that is left of the republican party of boot lickers and lap dogs,

jerrab » 29 Jun 2023, 4:53 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2023, 4:53 am

and because of trump and all his supporters all the decent republicans were forced out. all that is left of the republican party of boot lickers and lap dogs,

They are becoming like the dim-0-craps!!!
 

maineman » 28 Jun 2023, 1:27 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jun 2023, 1:27 pm

you can't read.  I am not a lawyer.  I did father one and was fathered by one so the lawyer genes obviously passed on.    

793(e)

Intent?

Any luck?

Want "intent" ASSCLOWN?? It's there....

willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted

THAT is INTENT by WILLFULLY doing an act described in (e).

SUCK ON THAT ONE LITTLE BOY!!!

                 

maineman » 28 Jun 2023, 10:16 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jun 2023, 10:16 am

transference.

I have proven to you that intent is not in the subsection named in the indictment.  I have shown you that it IS listed in other sections not cited in the indictment.

You should actually prove me wrong and not just falsely claim that you already have.

Simply stated, having a reason to believe that something might damage the United States is not the same as having the intent to damage the United States.

what is different between transference and evolving? Your ideology is a false narrative because it doesn't explain the natural time you exist in plain sight.

golfboy » 28 Jun 2023, 11:02 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jun 2023, 11:02 am

Doesn't change the fact that the laws charged against Trump, require his intent to hurt America. 
*******.

another day and another opportunity to show where Intent to hurt America is contained in 793 (e)

maineman » 29 Jun 2023, 8:43 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2023, 8:43 am

another day and another opportunity to show where Intent to hurt America is contained in 793 (e)

Biden is the one with intent to hurt America. Try to keep up mainegroomer.   

roadkill » 29 Jun 2023, 8:46 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2023, 8:46 am

Biden is the one with intent to hurt America. Try to keep up mainegroomer.

We need to know what we paid for Biden’s kickbacks. 

maineman » 28 Jun 2023, 11:23 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jun 2023, 11:23 am

Re documents:  NONE of those other people refused to return documents when they were asked to do so.  NONE of those other people waved classified documents around in a golf course club house.  NONE of those other people bragged about them.
Re: NATO...we'll have to agree to disagree.
Re:  South Korea.  How is unilaterally agreeing to STOP holding joint exercises with one of our main allies in the Pacific Rim not a diminishment of our capability in the region?
Re:  COVID.    two words:  Diamond Princess
Re:  SCOTUS  If Obama should not have been allowed to replace Scalia, Trump should not have been allowed to replace Ginsburg.

They still had them and they've had them for many years, and it isn't a serious crime.

You think the other nations should not pay their fair share in NATO? Why?

That's Korea's decision. If it wasn't for us they would be speaking... "north" Korean.    

No one was going to stop COVID. Once it got out, it had to run its course. You lefties always believe government fix everything. 

Would have could have should have. Stop crying about what congress did. There are lots of under-handed crap the democrats did to republicans in congress. Thank God! Garland didn't get on the supreme court. He is one corrupt piece of **** AND we have proof of it. 
 

neueregel » 29 Jun 2023, 9:06 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2023, 9:06 am

We need to know what we paid for Biden’s kickbacks.

I'm sure it was multi-million$.   

Buffalo » 29 Jun 2023, 5:10 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2023, 5:10 am

They are becoming like the dim-0-craps!!!

spoken like a true whino

Beekeeper » 28 Jun 2023, 8:03 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jun 2023, 8:03 am

The DOJ has ANOTHER problem they will find it not only DAMAGING to their case, but ALSO disqualifiying much of their "evidence" as well.

The LEAKS that they make of the Trump Tape will PREJUDICE any jury and will be TOTALLY EXCLUDED as any presentable evidence. You can bet THAT motion is in the works NOW.

AND not having any of the DOCUMENTS that allegedly Trump had and was discussing means it's TOTALLY **** and will be excluded from trial.

that is plain stupid . evidence is supposed to convince the jury.
 

RayJJohnson » 29 Jun 2023, 9:25 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2023, 9:25 am

1. They still had them and they've had them for many years, and it isn't a serious crime.

2. You think the other nations should not pay their fair share in NATO? Why?

3. That's Korea's decision. If it wasn't for us they would be speaking... "north" Korean.    

4. No one was going to stop COVID. Once it got out, it had to run its course. You lefties always believe government fix everything. 

5. Would have could have should have. Stop crying about what congress did. There are lots of under-handed crap the democrats did to republicans in congress. Thank God! Garland didn't get on the supreme court. He is one corrupt piece of **** AND we have proof of it.

1. You are correct.  having them unwittingly and returning them when asked is NOT a serious crime.
2.  I never said that. I just said that I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater and dissolve the alliance over an argument about dues
3.  ****.  South Korea desperately wanted to continue close military communication with the US.  The clown abandoned it for a photo op at the DMZ
4.  Cool opinion.  I think he fumble **** around at the beginning and treated it as a public relations problem to manage instead of a deadly global pandemic which it actually was.
5. So stop YOUR crying about us playing tough with the clown after he stole two SCOTUS seats from us.  Your PROOF about Garland's corruption is a **** meme.
 

RedheadedStranger » 28 Jun 2023, 11:03 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jun 2023, 11:03 am

Sounds a lot like Jack Smith isn't the impartial arbitrator he was sold as, and is more the hired gun everyone knew he was from the outset.

Tell us again how Garland's Gestapo hasn't been weaponized mainstain... after you all but said that it is just now.

and prosecutors are supposed not try to prove guilt?
 

golfboy » 28 Jun 2023, 12:41 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jun 2023, 12:41 pm

Why would I once again explain to you the literal word "intent" doesn't have to be used in the English language, for the meaning of the law requiring intent?
And I only brought up Clinton, because you once again, lied.

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https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/13/politics ... index.html


Here’s what the law saysThe specific language in 18 US Code 793 (e), which is cited in the indictment against Trump, goes like this, and I’ve put the key portion in bold:(e)Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or …That’s the whole point here. The National Archives and the FBI tried repeatedly over time to get the material back. But the government has accused Trump of hiding from the government and his own lawyers.
 
 

golfboy » 28 Jun 2023, 11:02 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jun 2023, 11:02 am

Doesn't change the fact that the laws charged against Trump, require his intent to hurt America.

@golfboy  

793(e) does NOT require his intent to hurt America.

(e) Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or

do you see all those "OR"s in there?

Explain to me how willfully retaining a document is synonymous with INTENDING to hurt America with that document.

Compare the language to this line from 793 (a):  Whoever, for the purpose of obtaining information respecting the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the United States.

 
 

jerrab » 29 Jun 2023, 11:09 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2023, 11:09 am

that is plain stupid . evidence is supposed to convince the jury.

Evidence that has been LEAKED that in fact DOES taint a jury pool to be BIASED AND HAVING MADE UP THEIR MIND TO GUILT OR INNOCENCE is NO LONGER usable in ANY COURT since that means no matter WHAT EXCULPATORY EVIDENCE IS PRESENTED, THE JURY HAS ALREADY DETERMINED GUILT!!

THAT isn't considered a "impartial jury" under ANY circumstances, ASSLICKER!! And that means whatever was LEAKED is going to be tough **** for the prosecution to use, MORON!!

Beekeeper » 29 Jun 2023, 12:15 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2023, 12:15 pm

Evidence that has been LEAKED that in fact DOES taint a jury pool to be BIASED AND HAVING MADE UP THEIR MIND TO GUILT OR INNOCENCE is NO LONGER usable in ANY COURT since that means no matter WHAT EXCULPATORY EVIDENCE IS PRESENTED, THE JURY HAS ALREADY DETERMINED GUILT!!

THAT isn't considered a "impartial jury" under ANY circumstances, ASSLICKER!! And that means whatever was LEAKED is going to be tough **** for the prosecution to use, MORON!!

so where is the leak? in your head?

known facts are not leaks.

Beekeeper » 29 Jun 2023, 12:15 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2023, 12:15 pm

Evidence that has been LEAKED that in fact DOES taint a jury pool to be BIASED AND HAVING MADE UP THEIR MIND TO GUILT OR INNOCENCE is NO LONGER usable in ANY COURT since that means no matter WHAT EXCULPATORY EVIDENCE IS PRESENTED, THE JURY HAS ALREADY DETERMINED GUILT!!

THAT isn't considered a "impartial jury" under ANY circumstances, ASSLICKER!! And that means whatever was LEAKED is going to be tough **** for the prosecution to use, MORON!!

trump claiming that it is politcal and targeting him unfairly without cause, now that is jury tampering.