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"DOJ has one big problem with its Trump criminal case, legal expert says"
"DOJ has one big problem with its Trump criminal case, legal expert says"
By roadkill
9 Jun 2023 4:22 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
29 Jun 2023 2:04 pm
Beekeeper » 29 Jun 2023, 12:15 pm » wrote: ↑ Evidence that has been LEAKED that in fact DOES taint a jury pool to be BIASED AND HAVING MADE UP THEIR MIND TO GUILT OR INNOCENCE is NO LONGER usable in ANY COURT since that means no matter WHAT EXCULPATORY EVIDENCE IS PRESENTED, THE JURY HAS ALREADY DETERMINED GUILT!!
THAT isn't considered a "impartial jury" under ANY circumstances, ASSLICKER!! And that means whatever was LEAKED is going to be tough **** for the prosecution to use, MORON!!
also there is no proof to his claims that it is political and without merit
29 Jun 2023 2:15 pm
Mister Honeypot should stick to tending his hives and not dabble in the law. Previously disclosed evidence is admitted into criminal cases all the time.jerrab » 29 Jun 2023, 2:04 pm » wrote: ↑ also there is no proof to his claims that it is political and without merit
29 Jun 2023 2:30 pm
trump can be sued for slander.Beekeeper » 29 Jun 2023, 12:15 pm » wrote: ↑ Evidence that has been LEAKED that in fact DOES taint a jury pool to be BIASED AND HAVING MADE UP THEIR MIND TO GUILT OR INNOCENCE is NO LONGER usable in ANY COURT since that means no matter WHAT EXCULPATORY EVIDENCE IS PRESENTED, THE JURY HAS ALREADY DETERMINED GUILT!!
THAT isn't considered a "impartial jury" under ANY circumstances, ASSLICKER!! And that means whatever was LEAKED is going to be tough **** for the prosecution to use, MORON!!
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- the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation.
"he is suing the TV network for slander
29 Jun 2023 2:50 pm
Gee, I thought evidence explained the event, not create a different interpretation of what else could have happened.jerra b » 29 Jun 2023, 11:09 am » wrote: ↑ that is plain stupid . evidence is supposed to convince the jury.
29 Jun 2023 4:16 pm
It is a witch hunt. Obama still has his top secret files and so does Clinton. Why are they not told to return them? I bet Bush still has his.maineman » 29 Jun 2023, 11:09 am » wrote: ↑ 1. You are correct. having them unwittingly and returning them when asked is NOT a serious crime.
That is the point to Trump's opposition to NATO.2. I never said that. I just said that I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater and dissolve the alliance over an argument about dues
Don't worry, everything with South Korea is fine. They are not going anywhere.3. ****. South Korea desperately wanted to continue close military communication with the US. The clown abandoned it for a photo op at the DMZ
What could trump have done to stop covid?4. Cool opinion. I think he fumble **** around at the beginning and treated it as a public relations problem to manage instead of a deadly global pandemic which it actually was.
I didn't say anything about SCOTUS. You did. You guys have been doing **** towards Republican nominees for the last 30 years and now you say two were stolen from? No one stole anything. They are not YOUR seats. They belong to the country. It was you guys who destroyed the reputation of a good man in Judge Bork by lying about him and you tried to lie your way into dismissing Clarence Thomas. You tried it a number of times but the one time hardball was played with Garland, you guys lost your ****. Excuse me while I don't give a rats ***.5. So stop YOUR crying about us playing tough with the clown after he stole two SCOTUS seats from us. Your PROOF about Garland's corruption is a **** meme.
You are just mad because the United States federal government no longer endorses the murder of babies in the womb.
29 Jun 2023 5:14 pm
Evidence released to the press that is to be used in a FEDERAL CASE is ILLEGAL, ****!! ONLY the parties to the court have access to it UNTIL presented at trial. You are really a **** MORON and IDIOT taboot.jerrab » 29 Jun 2023, 1:03 pm » wrote: ↑ so where is the leak? in your head?
known facts are not leaks.
Stick with your LIES AND **** rather than try to play "I got my law degree from a Cracker Jacks" box lawyer. It makes you look WEAKER than the POS you already are, ******!!
Liberals are spoiled children, miserable, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic & useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats ~O'Rourke
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
29 Jun 2023 5:15 pm
Who got slandered, ****??? The government???jerrab » 29 Jun 2023, 2:30 pm » wrote: ↑ trump can be sued for slander.
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- the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation.
"he is suing the TV network for slander
You make ZERO SENSE, cumguzzler!!
Liberals are spoiled children, miserable, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic & useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats ~O'Rourke
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
29 Jun 2023 5:18 pm
YOU say so, but there is MORE than ample evidence.jerrab » 29 Jun 2023, 2:04 pm » wrote: ↑ also there is no proof to his claims that it is political and without merit
Tell us how your precious HIldaBitch was LET OFF THE HOOK for basically the SAME ****!! THAT is more than ample "evidence" that this is POLITICALLY BASED and no other reason.
Liberals are spoiled children, miserable, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic & useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats ~O'Rourke
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
29 Jun 2023 6:56 pm
Trump was negotiating with the Miami FBI about returning documents they wanted.maineman » 29 Jun 2023, 12:03 pm » wrote: ↑ @golfboy
793(e) does NOT require his intent to hurt America.
(e) Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or
do you see all those "OR"s in there?
Explain to me how willfully retaining a document is synonymous with INTENDING to hurt America with that document.
Compare the language to this line from 793 (a): Whoever, for the purpose of obtaining information respecting the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the United States.
That's why those agents opposed the heavy handed raid of Mar a Lago.
And him having those documents was in no way a threat to America.
29 Jun 2023 6:57 pm
"authorized possession".jerrab » 29 Jun 2023, 11:28 am » wrote: ↑ -------------------------------------------
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/13/politics ... index.html
Here’s what the law saysThe specific language in 18 US Code 793 (e), which is cited in the indictment against Trump, goes like this, and I’ve put the key portion in bold:(e)Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or …That’s the whole point here. The National Archives and the FBI tried repeatedly over time to get the material back. But the government has accused Trump of hiding from the government and his own lawyers.
Trump authorized possession as President.
29 Jun 2023 7:01 pm
You can repeat yourself all you want. Judge Jackson and the Obama DoJ set the precedent.jerrab » 28 Jun 2023, 10:10 pm » wrote: ↑ ---------------------------------CLAIM: The Presidential Records Act gives a president the right to take any record when leaving office and declare them personal.THE FACTS: That’s a flagrant misreading of the law, legal experts say.The law, which took effect in 1981, requires the preservation of White House documents as property of the U.S. government.Jason R. Baron, a former director of litigation at the National Archives and Records Administration, said that the notion that a president could declare any record as personal goes against the “very reason” the law was created. NARA is the federal record-keeper and the agency that repeatedly sought the documents kept by Trump.Congress passed the act in 1978 in the aftermath of the Watergate scandal, when a collection of secret tapes that President Richard Nixon had considered destroying played a defining role.
CLAIM: The Presidential Records Act gives a president the right to take any record when leaving office and declare them personal.THE FACTS: That’s a flagrant misreading of the law, legal experts say.The law, which took effect in 1981, requires the preservation of White House documents as property of the U.S. government.Jason R. Baron, a former director of litigation at the National Archives and Records Administration, said that the notion that a president could declare any record as personal goes against the “very reason” the law was created. NARA is the federal record-keeper and the agency that repeatedly sought the documents kept by Trump.Congress passed the act in 1978 in the aftermath of the Watergate scandal, when a collection of secret tapes that President Richard Nixon had considered destroying played a defining role.
Trump decides what documents are his, and which are not.
29 Jun 2023 7:10 pm
nice dodge.golfboy » 29 Jun 2023, 6:56 pm » wrote: ↑ Trump was negotiating with the Miami FBI about returning documents they wanted.
That's why those agents opposed the heavy handed raid of Mar a Lago.
And him having those documents was in no way a threat to America.
YOU said the law required intent to harm America.
And, just like I predicted, you'd be a **** weasel and not admit you were WRONG.
I admitted I was wrong about AF1 doors... but you are such a **** dyslexic aphasic stupid stubborn loser you are incapable of showing similar character.
Is ANYONE surprised by THAT?
29 Jun 2023 7:12 pm
golfboy » 29 Jun 2023, 7:01 pm » wrote: ↑ You can repeat yourself all you want. Judge Jackson and the Obama DoJ set the precedent.
Trump decides what documents are his, and which are not.
you can repeat it all you want- the supreme court overruled jackson.
29 Jun 2023 7:14 pm
No they didn't. You have no idea what you're talking about.jerrab » 29 Jun 2023, 7:12 pm » wrote: ↑ you can repeat it all you want- the supreme court overruled jackson.
It seems to be a disease that infects liberals. They're always so certain about everything, and always wrong on the facts.
Judge Jackson's ruling was never appealed to the Supreme Court.
29 Jun 2023 7:15 pm
It does.maineman » 29 Jun 2023, 7:10 pm » wrote: ↑ nice dodge.
YOU said the law required intent to harm America.
And, just like I predicted, you'd be a **** weasel and not admit you were WRONG.
I admitted I was wrong about AF1 doors... but you are such a **** dyslexic aphasic stupid stubborn loser you are incapable of showing similar character.
Is ANYONE surprised by THAT?
You're wrong. As always.
29 Jun 2023 7:20 pm
golfboy » 29 Jun 2023, 7:14 pm » wrote: ↑ No they didn't. You have no idea what you're talking about.
It seems to be a disease that infects liberals. They're always so certain about everything, and always wrong on the facts.
Judge Jackson's ruling was never appealed to the Supreme Court.
yes it did. her fake verdict did not hold water,
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/appeals ... d=94307715
29 Jun 2023 7:21 pm
That was judge Cannon. Judge Jackson ruled on the Presidential Records Act, that the President, and ONLY the President decides what records are his, and which belong to the government.jerrab » 29 Jun 2023, 7:20 pm » wrote: ↑ yes it did. her fake verdict did not hold water,
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/appeals ... d=94307715
29 Jun 2023 7:23 pm
Quote it. I did and it proved you wrong.
Here it is: You can just go ahead and highlight that portion that "proves" your point:
(e) Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or
29 Jun 2023 7:26 pm
two different judges...two different opinions. guess the issue remains unresolved until a higher court splits the baby.golfboy » 29 Jun 2023, 7:21 pm » wrote: ↑ That was judge Cannon. Judge Jackson ruled on the Presidential Records Act, that the President, and ONLY the President decides what records are his, and which belong to the government.
29 Jun 2023 7:28 pm
I have, repeatedly. I'm done repeating myself because you think somehow if you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes true.maineman » 29 Jun 2023, 7:23 pm » wrote: ↑ Quote it. I did and it proved you wrong.
Here it is: You can just go ahead and highlight that portion that "proves" your point:
(e) Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or
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