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"DOJ has one big problem with its Trump criminal case, legal expert says"
"DOJ has one big problem with its Trump criminal case, legal expert says"
By roadkill
9 Jun 2023 4:22 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
13 Jun 2023 10:57 am
Count#5 a DoD document dated June 2020, classified TOP SECRET//[redacted]/[redacted]//ORCON/NOFORN concerning nuclear capabilities of a foreign country? "President's work records"?Skans » 13 Jun 2023, 10:23 am » wrote: ↑ These documents had no business ever being classified. They were the President's work records.
Count #16 a CIA document dated December 2019, classified SECRET//ORCON/NOFORN concerning foreign country's support of terrorist acts against US interests? "President's work records"?
Count #27: a DoD document dated November 2019, classified TOP SECRET//SI/TK// concerning military activities of foreign countries? "President's work records"?
13 Jun 2023 11:09 am
Yeah, dippyshiity, and the PROBLEM you have is that you MUST PROVE INTENT TO INJURE THE UNITED STATES under the Espionage Act that these "documents" were supposed to be SUPPORTING!maineman » 13 Jun 2023, 10:57 am » wrote: ↑ Count#5 a DoD document dated June 2020, classified TOP SECRET//[redacted]/[redacted]//ORCON/NOFORN concerning nuclear capabilities of a foreign country? "President's work records"?
Count #16 a CIA document dated December 2019, classified SECRET//ORCON/NOFORN concerning foreign country's support of terrorist acts against US interests? "President's work records"?
Count #27: a DoD document dated November 2019, classified TOP SECRET//SI/TK// concerning military activities of foreign countries? "President's work records"?
The Espionage Act of 1917 prohibited obtaining information, recording pictures, or copying descriptions of any information relating to the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the information may be used for the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation.
Liberals are spoiled children, miserable, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic & useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats ~O'Rourke
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
13 Jun 2023 11:12 am
And an interesting thing about the first 31 counts of the indictment - violations of the Espionage Act: Trump's claims that he "declassified" them are meaningless. The Espionage Act was written more than 30 years before the concept of "classification" was created. Classification is never mentioned. The Espionage Act criminalizes a broad array of conduct related to the mishandling of sensitive government records connected to the "national defense," a term generally referring to military records that if disclosed could damage U.S. national security. We know he had them. We know he showed them to people without security clearances or the need to know the information contained in them. Whether he "declassified" them or not does not make them any less vital to our national defense.
13 Jun 2023 11:19 am
13 Jun 2023 11:22 am
AND the Espionage Act REQUIRES PROVING AN INTENT TO INJURE THE NATION, ASSHOLE!!maineman » 13 Jun 2023, 11:12 am » wrote: ↑ And an interesting thing about the first 31 counts of the indictment - violations of the Espionage Act: Trump's claims that he "declassified" them are meaningless. The Espionage Act was written more than 30 years before the concept of "classification" was created. Classification is never mentioned. The Espionage Act criminalizes a broad array of conduct related to the mishandling of sensitive government records connected to the "national defense," a term generally referring to military records that if disclosed could damage U.S. national security. We know he had them. We know he showed them to people without security clearances or the need to know the information contained in them. Whether he "declassified" them or not does not make them any less vital to our national defense.
!!
The Espionage Act of June 15, 1917
Espionage
Section 1
That: (a) whoever, for the purpose of obtaining information respecting the national defence with intent or reason to believe that the information to be obtained is to be used to the injury of the United States
Liberals are spoiled children, miserable, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic & useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats ~O'Rourke
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
13 Jun 2023 2:54 pm
Will everyone in the "closed courtroom" have top secret clearence?maineman » 13 Jun 2023, 10:16 am » wrote: ↑
The documents will all be presented at trial, no doubt in a closed courtroom and no doubt highly redacted.
BTW, they would no longer be classified if Trump declassified them.
This whole thing is a sham political hit to get Trump.
13 Jun 2023 2:56 pm
When is braindead biden going to be indicted for the "mishandling of sensitive government records?maineman » 13 Jun 2023, 11:12 am » wrote: ↑ And an interesting thing about the first 31 counts of the indictment - violations of the Espionage Act: Trump's claims that he "declassified" them are meaningless. The Espionage Act was written more than 30 years before the concept of "classification" was created. Classification is never mentioned. The Espionage Act criminalizes a broad array of conduct related to the mishandling of sensitive government records connected to the "national defense," a term generally referring to military records that if disclosed could damage U.S. national security. We know he had them. We know he showed them to people without security clearances or the need to know the information contained in them. Whether he "declassified" them or not does not make them any less vital to our national defense.
13 Jun 2023 4:18 pm
Here's where Jack Smith has a REAL problem, and one he most likely will be UNABLE TO OVERCOME!!Buffalo » 13 Jun 2023, 2:54 pm » wrote: ↑ Will everyone in the "closed courtroom" have top secret clearence?
BTW, they would no longer be classified if Trump declassified them.
This whole thing is a sham political hit to get Trump.
A. Trump will need lawyers with SECURITY CLEARANCES of the highest level to see the DOCUMENTS that Smith claims are so Secret, that only a limited few can see. OTHERWISE, he violates the PROVISION where the DEFENSE HAS A RIGHT TO SEE ALL EVIDENCE used to get the indictment.
B. In order to PRESENT THESE DOCUMENTS to the jury, the JURY TOO must have the same level of Security clearance!! And if he can't get that, then ALL CLAIMS to "classified documents" being a CRIME goes out the window since THOSE ARE THE HEART OF THE ENTIRE CASE!!
C. The REALITY IS, Smith's case is going to be motioned into oblivion and he is likely to LOSE OVER 95% of them, leaving him with NOTHING he can use as evidence and NOTHING he can present to ANY JURY and the entire case just "disappears" after the election regardless of who wins.
This entire thing is NOTHING MORE than a ILLEGAL ACTION designed to hurt Trump and prevent him from being elected. PERIOD!!
Liberals are spoiled children, miserable, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic & useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats ~O'Rourke
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
13 Jun 2023 4:30 pm
if any lawyer told trump he could keep documents because of what hillary did, the lawyer could be sued for malpractice.
13 Jun 2023 5:31 pm
classification is irrelevant to the Espionage Act which never mentions the words Classified, or Top Secret once.Buffalo » 13 Jun 2023, 2:54 pm » wrote: ↑ Will everyone in the "closed courtroom" have top secret clearence?
BTW, they would no longer be classified if Trump declassified them.
This whole thing is a sham political hit to get Trump.
whoever, lawfully or unlawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blue print, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defence, wilfully communicates or transmits or attempts to communicate or transmit the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it.
13 Jun 2023 5:39 pm
13 Jun 2023 6:19 pm
huge news!Buffalo » 13 Jun 2023, 5:39 pm » wrote: ↑ Trump has pled not guilty to all 37 bogus charges and is freed without bond...
the first 31 are all slam dunks. He had documents pertaining to the defense of the united states and showed them to people who ought not to have seen them and he failed to return them to their rightful owner when asked to do so. Ex-Presidents don't get to retain information regarding the US Nuclear capabilities or the capabilities of our allies - or adversaries, for that matter.
Section 1(d) of the Espionage Act makes that abundantly clear. No determination of intent is required:
(d) whoever, lawfully or unlawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blue print, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defence, wilfully communicates or transmits or attempts to communicate or transmit the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; oror transmits or attempts to communicate or transmit the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it;
We have testimony from a Trump PAC heavy-hitter in the indictment that recalls how Ex-President Trump showed the guy a map of a battle plan and told him it was classified, and told him not to look too closely at it.
Boomchakalaka!
13 Jun 2023 6:25 pm
maineman » 13 Jun 2023, 6:19 pm » wrote: ↑ huge news!
the first 31 are all slam dunks. He had documents pertaining to the defense of the united states and showed them to people who ought not to have seen them and he failed to return them to their rightful owner when asked to do so. Ex-Presidents don't get to retain information regarding the US Nuclear capabilities or the capabilities of our allies - or adversaries, for that matter.
Section 1(d) of the Espionage Act makes that abundantly clear. No determination of intent is required:
(d) whoever, lawfully or unlawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blue print, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defence, wilfully communicates or transmits or attempts to communicate or transmit the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; oror transmits or attempts to communicate or transmit the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it;
We have testimony from a Trump PAC heavy-hitter in the indictment that recalls how Ex-President Trump showed the guy a map of a battle plan and told him it was classified, and told him not to look too closely at it.
Boomchakalaka!
This time for sure groomer? lol
13 Jun 2023 6:25 pm
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WhpCEYP3sXEBuffalo » 13 Jun 2023, 5:39 pm » wrote: ↑ Trump has pled not guilty to all 37 bogus charges and is freed without bond...
13 Jun 2023 6:27 pm
@deadskunk.... are you incapable of comprehending the language of the Espionage Act?
13 Jun 2023 6:27 pm
The problem with elitist cocksuckers like yourself is you really think that you're privilege to a secret that no one else can fathom, but closer inspection reveals you to be the little man behind the curtain, just like the Wizard Of Oz.maineman » 13 Jun 2023, 6:19 pm » wrote: ↑ huge news!
the first 31 are all slam dunks. He had documents pertaining to the defense of the united states and showed them to people who ought not to have seen them and he failed to return them to their rightful owner when asked to do so. Ex-Presidents don't get to retain information regarding the US Nuclear capabilities or the capabilities of our allies - or adversaries, for that matter.
Section 1(d) of the Espionage Act makes that abundantly clear. No determination of intent is required:
(d) whoever, lawfully or unlawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blue print, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defence, wilfully communicates or transmits or attempts to communicate or transmit the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; oror transmits or attempts to communicate or transmit the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it;
We have testimony from a Trump PAC heavy-hitter in the indictment that recalls how Ex-President Trump showed the guy a map of a battle plan and told him it was classified, and told him not to look too closely at it.
Boomchakalaka!
13 Jun 2023 6:29 pm
maineman » 13 Jun 2023, 6:27 pm » wrote: ↑ @deadskunk.... are you incapable of comprehending the language of the Espionage Act?
Are you still incapable of understanding the definition of "Hoax".
Now tell the forum about the crimes of Joe and Hillary you groomer POS.
13 Jun 2023 6:30 pm
I would never think that you, Cletis, would be incapable of fathoming the exact wording of section 1(d) of the Espionage Act of 1917.RebelGator » 13 Jun 2023, 6:27 pm » wrote: ↑ The problem with elitist cocksuckers like yourself is you really think that you're privilege to a secret that no one else can fathom, but closer inspection reveals you to be the little man behind the curtain, just like the Wizard Of Oz.
Would I be wrong?
13 Jun 2023 6:31 pm
RebelGator » 13 Jun 2023, 6:27 pm » wrote: ↑ The problem with elitist cocksuckers like yourself is you really think that you're privilege to a secret that no one else can fathom, but closer inspection reveals you to be the little man behind the curtain, just like the Wizard Of Oz.
Actually mainegroomer is one of the lollipop kids.
13 Jun 2023 6:35 pm
The odds are in your favor, Wilford.
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