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"DOJ has one big problem with its Trump criminal case, legal expert says"
"DOJ has one big problem with its Trump criminal case, legal expert says"
By roadkill
9 Jun 2023 4:22 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
15 Jun 2023 4:59 pm
----------------------------------------Beekeeper » 15 Jun 2023, 4:10 pm » wrote: ↑ PROVE that one, ****!!!!!
Because IF he had ANY SAY IN THAT, there would have been a court case where HIS "RULING" was presented as OPPOSING THE LAWSUIT!! THAT never happened, but the DOJ opposed the lawsuit BASED ON THE PRA giving CLINTON the sole discretion as to what HE determined he would keep. AND It pointed out that NO ONE has any authority to CLASSIFY ANY DOCUMENT IN THE POSSESSION OF A FORMER PRESIDENT EXCEPT THAT FORMER PRESIDENT!! THAT was the JUDGES RULING, ASSHOLE!!
Face, it *******, you got your *** KICKED MASSIVELY on this one and you've had it torn to a BLOODY PULP!!!
D]ocumentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, his immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise and assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.
44 U.S.C. § 2201(2). The statute provides that “[t]he United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records,” id. § 2202, and it directs the President to “take all such steps as may be necessary to assure that the activities, deliberations, decisions, and policies that reflect the performance of his constitutional, statutory or other official or ceremonial duties are adequately documented and that such records are maintained as Presidential records,” id. § 2203(a).
15 Jun 2023 9:07 pm
You will never have all the informationMikeBishop » 15 Jun 2023, 7:19 pm » wrote: ↑ While it's true that Trump didn't return to the government, that doesn't necessarily mean he failed or was involved in stealing documents. As for the other individuals mentioned, each situation is unique, and it's crucial to have all the information before passing judgment.
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16 Jun 2023 5:33 am
Thanks for PROVING what I have been trying to TELL YOU for 20+ posts.jerrab » 15 Jun 2023, 4:59 pm » wrote: ↑ ----------------------------------------
D]ocumentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, his immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise and assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.
44 U.S.C. § 2201(2). The statute provides that “[t]he United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records,” id. § 2202, and it directs the President to “take all such steps as may be necessary to assure that the activities, deliberations, decisions, and policies that reflect the performance of his constitutional, statutory or other official or ceremonial duties are adequately documented and that such records are maintained as Presidential records,” id. § 2203(a).
THE PRESIDENT CONTROLS WHAT RECORDS HE CALLS PERSONAL AND PRESIDENTIAL!!
Sucks you are too stupid to understand that this is EXACTLY THE RULING THE JUDGE MADE AND WHY SHE QUOTED THE PRA!!
Run along now junior, you KICKED YOUR OWN *** THIS TIME!!!
Liberals are spoiled children, miserable, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic & useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats ~O'Rourke
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
16 Jun 2023 7:50 am
Clearly, the PRA makes an unambiguous distinction between PERSONAL records and PRESIDENTIAL records and it does NOT give the President the right to decide which is which. It DOES direct him to accurately and carefully segregate them so that, at the end of his term, he can take the PERSONAL records -which are his to keep - while leaving the PRESIDENTIAL records which remain the property of the United States
@jerra b is exactly correct here.
@jerra b is exactly correct here.
16 Jun 2023 8:22 am
Gee so generalized anything applies so everything is possible from one sided interpretations. Spokes on a wheel between hub and how high the carriage sits off the ground.jerra b » 15 Jun 2023, 4:52 pm » wrote: ↑ -------------------------- The PRA distinguishes Presidential records from “personal records,” defining personal records as “all documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, of a purely private or nonpublic character which do not relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.” Id. § 2201(3). The PRA provides that “diaries, journals or other personal notes serving as the functional equivalent of a diary or journal which are not prepared or utilized for, or circulated or communicated in the course of, transacting Governmental business” should be treated as personal records. Id. § 2201(3)(A). The PRA requires that all materials produced or received by the President, “to the extent practicable, be categorized as Presidential records or personal records upon their creation or receipt and be filed separately.” Id. § 2203(b).
https://casetext.com/case/judicial-watc ... ords-admin
16 Jun 2023 8:33 am
SUCKS for you that your little BLISTERED *** gets BLISTERED AGAIN!!maineman » 16 Jun 2023, 7:50 am » wrote: ↑ Clearly, the PRA makes an unambiguous distinction between PERSONAL records and PRESIDENTIAL records and it does NOT give the President the right to decide which is which. It DOES direct him to accurately and carefully segregate them so that, at the end of his term, he can take the PERSONAL records -which are his to keep - while leaving the PRESIDENTIAL records which remain the property of the United States
@jerra b is exactly correct here.
In order to accept plaintiff's theory that section 2203(f)(1) of the PRA creates a mandatory duty for the Archivist to assume custody and control of what he or she considers to be Presidential records regardless of how the President designated the documents, the Court would be required to ignore the rest of the PRA's statutory scheme. This it cannot do. See Chemehuevi Tribe of Indians v. Fed. Power Comm'n, 420 U.S. 395, 403, 95 S.Ct. 1066, 43 L.Ed.2d 279 (1975) (stating that a statutory provision must be “read together with the rest of the Act”).
Section 2203(a) of the PRA directs the President, not the Archivist, to take:all such steps as may be necessary to assure that the activities, deliberations, decisions, and policies that reflect the performance of his constitutional, statutory or other official or ceremonial duties are adequately documented, and that such records are maintained as Presidential records pursuant to the requirements of this section....
44 U.S.C. § 2203(a). The only reference in the entire statute to the designation of records as personal versus Presidential also calls for the decision to be made by the executive, and to be made during, and not after, the presidency. It provides: “materials produced or received by the President, [and other Executive Office employees], shall, to the extent practicable, be categorized as Presidential records or personal records upon their creation or receipt and be filed separately.” Id. § 2203(b). The PRA contains no provision obligating or even permitting the Archivist to assume control over records that the President “categorized” and “filed separately” as personal records. At the conclusion of the President's term, the Archivist only “assume responsibility for ... the Presidential records.” Id. § 2203(f)(1).
Judicial Watch, Inc. v. Nat'l Archives & Records Admin., 845 F. Supp. 2d 288, 300-1 (D.D.C. 2012)
Do you EVER get tired of HAVING ME STOMP YOUR LITTLE YELLOW COWARD ****** *** IN THE GROUND?? Over and over and over and over???
Liberals are spoiled children, miserable, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic & useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats ~O'Rourke
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
16 Jun 2023 8:40 am
God, this is sooooo easy....maineman » 16 Jun 2023, 7:50 am » wrote: ↑ Clearly, the PRA makes an unambiguous distinction between PERSONAL records and PRESIDENTIAL records and it does NOT give the President the right to decide which is which. It DOES direct him to accurately and carefully segregate them so that, at the end of his term, he can take the PERSONAL records -which are his to keep - while leaving the PRESIDENTIAL records which remain the property of the United States
@jerra b is exactly correct here.
But even if the Court were inclined to agree with plaintiff's reassessment of President Clinton's decision, it would not alter the conclusion that the injury cannot be redressed: the PRA does not confer any mandatory or even discretionary authority on the Archivist to classify records. Under the statute, this responsibility is left solely to the President. 44 U.S.C. § 2203(a)- (b).
Liberals are spoiled children, miserable, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic & useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats ~O'Rourke
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
16 Jun 2023 8:49 am
6 Reasons DOJ’s ‘Get Trump’ Documents Case Is Seriously Flawed
https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/16/si ... ly-flawed/
....but who knows?
https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/16/si ... ly-flawed/
....but who knows?
16 Jun 2023 8:52 am
It is always easy to manipulate hive minded people that gave up their unique perception to understanding how evolving works naturally in plain sight. People with a collective conscience always defend hope, faith and charity producing the illusion of power, wealth, and fame to those controlling the flow of information from one generation to the next covering all 5 living simultaneously here forever arriving one at a time now.
16 Jun 2023 9:08 am
Again... the PRA does not give the president the authority to call an apple an orange. It clearly delineates what sorts of records are PRESIDENTIAL and what sorts are PERSONAL. It does not give the president the authority to alter those definitions. The president, for example, could not say that this particular Top Secret document from the Pentagon containing detailed information about the patrol locations of our North Atlantic ballistic missile submarine fleet is now designated as one of his "personal records". It is and will always be a US Government owned Presidential Record. In fact, what the PRA DOES do is DIRECT the president to keep his personal records separate from Presidential ones. It NEVER grants him ownership of the latter.
16 Jun 2023 9:11 am
Misdirecting analogy, how original.maineman » 16 Jun 2023, 9:08 am » wrote: ↑ Again... the PRA does not give the president the authority to call an apple an orange. It clearly delineates what sorts of records are PRESIDENTIAL and what sorts are PERSONAL. It does not give the president the authority to alter those definitions. The president, for example, could not say that this particular Top Secret document from the Pentagon containing detailed information about the patrol locations of our North Atlantic ballistic missile submarine fleet is now designated as one of his "personal records". It is and will always be a US Government owned Presidential Record. In fact, what the PRA DOES do is DIRECT the president to keep his personal records separate from Presidential ones. It NEVER grants him ownership of the latter.
16 Jun 2023 9:13 am
no misdirection. The classified documents he had a Mar-a-Lago were never his to own. His calling them a personal record does not make them so.
16 Jun 2023 9:23 am
ha ha ha ha ha , how does evolving work naturally in plain sight? Politics leading ancestors to defy their own ancestry on spiritual/intellectual promises time changes everything instead of everything never stays the same now as evolving here in plain sight?maineman » 16 Jun 2023, 9:13 am » wrote: ↑ no misdirection. The classified documents he had a Mar-a-Lago were never his to own. His calling them a personal record does not make them so.
16 Jun 2023 9:31 am
"all the information before passing judgment."MikeBishop » 15 Jun 2023, 7:19 pm » wrote: ↑ While it's true that Trump didn't return to the government, that doesn't necessarily mean he failed or was involved in stealing documents. As for the other individuals mentioned, each situation is unique, and it's crucial to have all the information before passing judgment.
This is exactly what Biden's DOJ/FBI does not want to do. They're busy with a coverup right now...and the dems are in on it. They're still involved in covering up for Hillary's crimes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFwPJY_ZUV0
16 Jun 2023 9:48 am
you can use more words to say absolutely nothing better than anyone I have ever known.Nostradamus'omh » 16 Jun 2023, 9:23 am » wrote: ↑ ha ha ha ha ha , how does evolving work naturally in plain sight? Politics leading ancestors to defy their own ancestry on spiritual/intellectual promises time changes everything instead of everything never stays the same now as evolving here in plain sight?
16 Jun 2023 9:51 am
Difference between wanting to understand life as evolving forward here or mind the need to know information left ancestrally here comparing history against the future results never duplicating the ancestors occupying time now as a whole product of compounding chromosomes left living now one at a time.maineman » 16 Jun 2023, 9:48 am » wrote: ↑ you can use more words to say absolutely nothing better than anyone I have ever known.
You ever discover democracies cover up the same information dictatorships have. Difference is inside out top down governance vs outside in bottom up rank gets the privileges anyone sacrificing their biological time saving humanity never get.
Diplomatic immunity from rule of laws foreign or domestic.
16 Jun 2023 9:53 am
And YOUR NASTY LITTLE NAZI ARSE is easier to STOMP INTO A BLOODY PULP than ANYONE I have ever seen, met or STOMPED THEIR ARSE!!maineman » 16 Jun 2023, 9:48 am » wrote: ↑ you can use more words to say absolutely nothing better than anyone I have ever known.
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Liberals are spoiled children, miserable, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic & useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats ~O'Rourke
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
16 Jun 2023 11:15 am
the archivist has the final say
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c) During the President's term of office, the President may dispose of those Presidential records of such President that no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value if-(1) the President obtains the views, in writing, of the Archivist concerning the proposed disposal of such Presidential records; and(2) the Archivist states that the Archivist does not intend to take any action under subsection (e) of this section.
16 Jun 2023 11:19 am
Beekeeper » 15 Jun 2023, 4:10 pm » wrote: ↑ PROVE that one, ****!!!!!
Because IF he had ANY SAY IN THAT, there would have been a court case where HIS "RULING" was presented as OPPOSING THE LAWSUIT!! THAT never happened, but the DOJ opposed the lawsuit BASED ON THE PRA giving CLINTON the sole discretion as to what HE determined he would keep. AND It pointed out that NO ONE has any authority to CLASSIFY ANY DOCUMENT IN THE POSSESSION OF A FORMER PRESIDENT EXCEPT THAT FORMER PRESIDENT!! THAT was the JUDGES RULING, ASSHOLE!!
Face, it *******, you got your *** KICKED MASSIVELY on this one and you've had it torn to a BLOODY PULP!!!
it was not necessary only if he objected would it had been mentioned and it would have over ruled.
if obama had wanted those items for the clinton library they would have been included in the library.
16 Jun 2023 11:31 am
asshole learn to read-----Beekeeper » 15 Jun 2023, 3:27 pm » wrote: ↑ What you FAIL to realize is that 100% of ALL AGENCIES in the Administrative Branch that GENERATE DOCUMENTS, are all under the DIRECT CONTROL OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AT THE TIME OF THEIR GENERATION. So ALL of those documents generated BY TRUMP'S administration literally, HE CONTROLS THEIR DISPOSITION and does STILL TO THIS DAY under the PRA. AND that would also include an OTHER documents he comes into contact with SINCE THE ADMINISTRATIVE BRANCH IS the President of the United States. BY THAT CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY ALONE, he and ONLY HE can determine their disposition INCLUDING what he deems to be classified or not and at ANY TIME in ANY MANNER can he do so.
So EDUCATE YOURSELF before you end up even MORE EFFING STUPID than you already are, *******!!
AND the PRA has NOT given any "Authority" to the NARA, FBI, DOJ, or anyone ELSE to FORCE THE PRESIDENT/EX to TURN OVER ANY DAMN DOCUMENT OF ANY KIND, PERIOD. HE alone can determine what happens to them. PERIOD!!!
the statute provides that “[t]he United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records,” id. § 2202, and it directs the President to “take all such steps as may be necessary to assure that the activities, deliberations, decisions, and policies that reflect the performance of his constitutional, statutory or other official or ceremonial duties are adequately documented and that such records are maintained as Presidential records,” id. § 2203(a).
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