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"DOJ has one big problem with its Trump criminal case, legal expert says"
"DOJ has one big problem with its Trump criminal case, legal expert says"
By roadkill
9 Jun 2023 4:22 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
16 Jun 2023 6:33 pm
You must be EVEN DUMBER since you made THAT stupid *** statement!!!jerrab » 16 Jun 2023, 2:26 pm » wrote: ↑ yes dumb *** and they apply the rules in courtcases.
and they reviewed thr matter and decided it was personal.
trump never let them review what is in the boxes.
NO ONE REVIEWED A DAMN THING as far as the NARA is concerned. THE RULING STATED THAT THEY HAD NO LEGAL RIGHT TO SEIZE OR REVIEW THEM since the only one that can make the determination as to PERSONAL or PRESIDENTIAL is the PRESIDENT THAT CREATED THEM, ****!!
Are you SO **** STUPID you are UNABLE TO READ THE DAMN RULING AND COMPREHEND WHAT IT MEANS?>>
IF SO, you need to go get a blanky and a pacifier and STAY AWAY FROM HERE!!
Liberals are spoiled children, miserable, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic & useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats ~O'Rourke
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
16 Jun 2023 7:01 pm
proof? just conjecture!jerrab » 16 Jun 2023, 6:14 pm » wrote: ↑ what ever to support trump.
trump can shoot someone and you would say biden biden biden
blind loyalty in a sound proof dark room.
16 Jun 2023 7:21 pm
Beekeeper » 16 Jun 2023, 6:33 pm » wrote: ↑ You must be EVEN DUMBER since you made THAT stupid *** statement!!!
NO ONE REVIEWED A DAMN THING as far as the NARA is concerned. THE RULING STATED THAT THEY HAD NO LEGAL RIGHT TO SEIZE OR REVIEW THEM since the only one that can make the determination as to PERSONAL or PRESIDENTIAL is the PRESIDENT THAT CREATED THEM, ****!!
Are you SO **** STUPID you are UNABLE TO READ THE DAMN RULING AND COMPREHEND WHAT IT MEANS?>>
IF SO, you need to go get a blanky and a pacifier and STAY AWAY FROM HERE!!
--------------------------------------The Clinton materials were audiotapes of conversations with an historian that incidentally recorded some calls on official business,” he wrote. “In contrast, the documents that Trump kept were all presidential records from the moment they arrived at the Oval Office from other parts of the government.”Eric Freedman, a professor at Hofstra University’s School of Law in Hempstead, New York, also noted that a federal appeals court has already rejected similar arguments raised by Trump’s legal team as it sought to block the criminal investigation into the records found at Mar-a-Lago.In either case, Super said, any discussion about the Presidential Records Act is “largely a red herring” because Trump doesn’t face charges of violating that law.The indictment instead charges Trump with Espionage Act violations, as prosecutors argue the documents he kept could harm the country if obtained by adversaries.
16 Jun 2023 7:25 pm
total observation of all the blind trump supporters.
16 Jun 2023 7:29 pm
I love your "professor of law" who isn't GOOD ENOUGH to PRACTICE LAW, but is trying her hand at "teaching" something that SHE ISN'T EVEN QUALIFIED TO PRACTICE!!jerrab » 16 Jun 2023, 7:21 pm » wrote: ↑ --------------------------------------The Clinton materials were audiotapes of conversations with an historian that incidentally recorded some calls on official business,” he wrote. “In contrast, the documents that Trump kept were all presidential records from the moment they arrived at the Oval Office from other parts of the government.”Eric Freedman, a professor at Hofstra University’s School of Law in Hempstead, New York, also noted that a federal appeals court has already rejected similar arguments raised by Trump’s legal team as it sought to block the criminal investigation into the records found at Mar-a-Lago.In either case, Super said, any discussion about the Presidential Records Act is “largely a red herring” because Trump doesn’t face charges of violating that law.The indictment instead charges Trump with Espionage Act violations, as prosecutors argue the documents he kept could harm the country if obtained by adversaries.
imagine that. You STILL got your *** KICKED and the REASON BEING, you can't charge someone under the Espionage Act UNLESS YOU CAN PROVE THAT THEIR INTENT WAS TO HARM THE UNITED STATES or it's ALLIES!! NEITHER of which has been PROVEN nor can it be, ASSHOLE!!
Damn, you MIGHT learn something one of these days if you keep pushing your **** around and we keep BITCH SLAPPING THAT **** TASTE out of your NASTY NAZI MOUTH!!
Liberals are spoiled children, miserable, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic & useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats ~O'Rourke
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
16 Jun 2023 7:35 pm
are you even aware that nara is not being sued but another group is trying to get nara to declare the clinton tapes as national records?Beekeeper » 16 Jun 2023, 7:29 pm » wrote: ↑ I love your "professor of law" who isn't GOOD ENOUGH to PRACTICE LAW, but is trying her hand at "teaching" something that SHE ISN'T EVEN QUALIFIED TO PRACTICE!!
imagine that. You STILL got your *** KICKED and the REASON BEING, you can't charge someone under the Espionage Act UNLESS YOU CAN PROVE THAT THEIR INTENT WAS TO HARM THE UNITED STATES or it's ALLIES!! NEITHER of which has been PROVEN nor can it be, ASSHOLE!!
Damn, you MIGHT learn something one of these days if you keep pushing your **** around and we keep BITCH SLAPPING THAT **** TASTE out of your NASTY NAZI MOUTH!!
16 Jun 2023 8:11 pm
not near as bad as Demonrats have been since .........well, forever!
does Yellow Dog Democrat ring a bell?
16 Jun 2023 8:17 pm
sunburn » 16 Jun 2023, 8:11 pm » wrote: ↑ not near as bad as Demonrats have been since .........well, forever!
does Yellow Dog Democrat ring a bell?
trump supporters have taken loyalty to the next level.
I am not the least loyal to biden.
16 Jun 2023 8:49 pm
no, but you'll vote Democrat no matter who they run.jerrab » 16 Jun 2023, 8:17 pm » wrote: ↑ trump supporters have taken loyalty to the next level.
I am not the least loyal to biden.
Trump is the ONLY one that will fight against one world government and the DC mafia! that's my loyalty.
16 Jun 2023 8:54 pm
Who did you vote for - for Prezzie in:jerrab » 16 Jun 2023, 8:17 pm » wrote: ↑ trump supporters have taken loyalty to the next level.
I am not the least loyal to biden.
2020
2016
2012
2008
2004
2000
etc
etc
16 Jun 2023 9:57 pm
sunburn » 16 Jun 2023, 8:11 pm » wrote: ↑ not near as bad as Demonrats have been since .........well, forever!
does Yellow Dog Democrat ring a bell?
stupid trumpers would vote for trump over Jesus Christ.
16 Jun 2023 10:07 pm
being a Democrat, you probably would also.
16 Jun 2023 10:09 pm
stupid.
I would never ever ever vote for trump.
16 Jun 2023 10:11 pm
That's what the DOJ said about Clinton's documents. It is entirely up to the President and the president alone................jerrab » 16 Jun 2023, 5:22 pm » wrote: ↑ trump depends on dummies to believe that all government documents are his personal property.
That's the DOJ that will defend a Demonrat till hell freezes over and arrest a Republican for the same thing.
16 Jun 2023 10:12 pm
--------------------------sunburn » 16 Jun 2023, 10:11 pm » wrote: ↑ That's what the DOJ said about Clinton's documents. It is entirely up to the President and the president alone................
That's the DOJ that will defend a Demonrat till hell freezes over and arrest a Republican for the same thing.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-indict ... 52638daebf
“The definition of ‘personal records’ is narrow, clear, and functional: it includes only records of a ‘purely private or nonpublic character’,” Peter Margulies, a professor at Roger Williams University’s School of Law in Bristol, Rhode Island, wrote in an email. “Any record that touches on information relevant to presidential decisions on foreign policy or national security is a presidential record. Period, end of story.”Josh Chafetz, a professor at Georgetown Law, agreed, saying there’s “simply no way” the records described in the indictment against Trump could be considered “personal” under the act’s definitions.Among the documents found at Mar-a-Lago were ones marked “SECRET” or “TOP SECRET.” The documents included details about the country’s nuclear weapons and the nuclear capabilities and military activities of other countries. Prosecutors allege, for example, that Trump showed off a classified map of a foreign country while discussing a military operation.“There is no way to read that statutory language as giving the president ‘discretion’ to categorize military plans, to take just one example, as ‘personal’,” Chafetz wrote in an email.
16 Jun 2023 10:14 pm
https://www.politico.com/blogs/under-th ... es-116074A federal judge has dismissed a conservative legal group's lawsuit seeking to force the National Archives to demand audiotapes author Taylor Branch made of President Bill Clinton during his years in office.sunburn » 16 Jun 2023, 10:11 pm » wrote: ↑ That's what the DOJ said about Clinton's documents. It is entirely up to the President and the president alone................
That's the DOJ that will defend a Demonrat till hell freezes over and arrest a Republican for the same thing.
Acting Thursday on the suit from Judicial Watch, U.S. District Court Judge Amy Jackson said there was no obvious legal mechanism that the Archives could use to force Clinton to turn over the recordings. She also said it wouldn't be legally proper for her to issue such an order in any event since the Archives has discretion about when to assert the government's rights under the Presidential Records Act."The Court has seriously [sic] doubts about whether the former President’s retention of the audiotapes as personal is a matter that is subject to judicial review. But the Court need not decide this question because whether judicial review is available or not, the relief that plaintiff seeks – that the Archivist assume 'custody and control' of the audiotapes – is not available under the PRA," Jackson wrote in her decision (posted here).
16 Jun 2023 10:53 pm
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-m ... =100113660sunburn » 16 Jun 2023, 10:11 pm » wrote: ↑ That's what the DOJ said about Clinton's documents. It is entirely up to the President and the president alone................
That's the DOJ that will defend a Demonrat till hell freezes over and arrest a Republican for the same thing.
The decision by Judge Jackson cited prior precedent from the D.C. Circuit that stands for the opposite proposition."That citation included in Jackson's opinion reads, in part, that the Presidential Records Act "does not bestow on the president the power to assert sweeping authority over whatever materials he chooses to designate as presidential records without any possibility of judicial review.""Judge Jackson went on to speculate about the level of deference to be afforded a president making a categorical decision about whether records of his were personal, but she never ruled on that issue," Baron said. "Instead, the case was dismissed on the grounds that plaintiff had no standing to compel the Archivist to seize materials not in the government’s possession."
********************************************Trump continued to make an argument he and his team have been for months, asserting he's allowed to negotiate with NARA over which documents are personal and what's presidential after leaving office.NARA, in a June 9 statement, said the law requires a president to separate personal and presidential documents "before leaving office."MORE: Trump federal indictment: How serious are obstruction charges?"There is no history, practice, or provision in law for presidents to take official records with them when they leave office to sort through, such as for a two-year period as described in some reports," NARA said.
***********************************"The Espionage Act has been used to go after traitors and spies. It has nothing to do with a former president legally keeping his own documents," he said.Trump has been charged under 18 U.S.C. § 793(e) of the Espionage Act, which prohibits unauthorized retention and disclosure of national defense information, and does not require that information be classified or disseminated to a foreign government.
17 Jun 2023 1:07 am
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/O2r16HS0CvUSumela » 16 Jun 2023, 8:54 pm » wrote: ↑ Who did you vote for - for Prezzie in:
2020
2016
2012
2008
2004
2000
etc
etc
17 Jun 2023 2:47 am
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... 899f99fda/
Israel was a "full partner" in U.S. and British intelligence failures that exaggerated former president Saddam Hussein's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, a report by an Israeli military research center has charged."The failures of this war indicate weaknesses and inherent flaws within Israeli intelligence and among Israeli decision-makers," Brig. Gen. Shlomo Brom wrote in an analysis for Tel Aviv University's Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies.Israeli intelligence services and political leaders provided "an exaggerated assessment of Iraqi capabilities," raising "the possibility that the intelligence picture was manipulated," wrote Brom, former deputy commander of the Israeli military's planning division
17 Jun 2023 2:53 am
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https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm ... story.html
JERUSALEM — A former senior Israeli military intelligence official asserted Thursday that the nation’s spy agencies were a “full partner” to the United States and Britain in producing flawed prewar assessments of Iraq’s ability to mount attacks with weapons of mass destruction.The sharply worded report by Shlomo Brom, a brigadier general in the army reserves, prompted one lawmaker to call for an independent inquiry into the performance of Israeli intelligence before the start of hostilities in Iraq.Until now, the role of Israeli intelligence agencies in assessing the threat posed by Saddam Hussein’s regime -- and the subsequent failure so far by coalition investigators to find evidence of a chemical and biological weapons program that was an imminent threat -- has been the subject of little public debate here
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