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Beekeeper » 17 Jun 2023, 2:57 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2023, 2:57 pm

Jackson NEVER quoted THAT SECTION of the ruling you refer to, ****!!

So that is a TOTALLY MOOT POINT and has ZERO bearing on Clinton's OR ANY OTHER CASE since she never QUOTED that CITATION!!

Nice try, but you get that ARSE handed to you AGAIN, ASSHOLE!!

                           

asshiole you prove your self wrong.
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Jackson NEVER quoted THAT SECTION of the ruling you refer to, ****!!

Beekeeper » 17 Jun 2023, 2:57 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2023, 2:57 pm

Jackson NEVER quoted THAT SECTION of the ruling you refer to, ****!!

So that is a TOTALLY MOOT POINT and has ZERO bearing on Clinton's OR ANY OTHER CASE since she never QUOTED that CITATION!!

Nice try, but you get that ARSE handed to you AGAIN, ASSHOLE!!

                           

https://www.archives.gov/presidential-l ... 8-act.html

• Allows the incumbent President to dispose of records that no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value, once the views of the Archivist of the United States on the proposed disposal have been obtained in writing.
• Establishes in law that any incumbent Presidential records (whether textual or electronic) held on courtesy storage by the Archivist remain in the exclusive legal custody of the President and that any request or order for access to such records must be made to the President, not NARA.
• Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office.
• Establishes a process by which the President may restrict and the public may obtain access to these records after the President leaves office; specifically, the PRA allows for public access to Presidential records through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) beginning five years after the end of the Administration, but allows the President to invoke as many as six specific restrictions to public access for up to twelve years.

 

Beekeeper » 17 Jun 2023, 2:57 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2023, 2:57 pm

Jackson NEVER quoted THAT SECTION of the ruling you refer to, ****!!

So that is a TOTALLY MOOT POINT and has ZERO bearing on Clinton's OR ANY OTHER CASE since she never QUOTED that CITATION!!

Nice try, but you get that ARSE handed to you AGAIN, ASSHOLE!!

                           

jackson did not overturn the law, *******.

Requires that the President and his staff take all practical steps to file personal records separately from Presidential records

jerrab » 17 Jun 2023, 3:46 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2023, 3:46 pm

jackson did not overturn the law, *******.

And what's you point?? That she actually RULED that the PRA ONLY ALLOWS THE PRESIDENT to determine what is PERSONAL and what is PRESIDENTIAL???

Which is EXACTLY what her ruling was AND that SHE HAD NO AUTHORITY NOR DID ANYONE ELSE UNDER THE LAW, to force Clinton to turn over his OWN CLASSIFIED PERSONAL PROPERTY CREATED DURING HIS PRESIDENCY to ANYONE!!

See, you LOSE and are TOO **** STUPID TO KNOW THAT YOU KICKED YOUR OWN NASTY NAZI ***!!

                             

 

jerrab » 17 Jun 2023, 3:45 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2023, 3:45 pm

https://www.archives.gov/presidential-l ... 8-act.html

• Allows the incumbent President to dispose of records that no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value, once the views of the Archivist of the United States on the proposed disposal have been obtained in writing.
• Establishes in law that any incumbent Presidential records (whether textual or electronic) held on courtesy storage by the Archivist remain in the exclusive legal custody of the President and that any request or order for access to such records must be made to the President, not NARA.
• Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office.
• Establishes a process by which the President may restrict and the public may obtain access to these records after the President leaves office; specifically, the PRA allows for public access to Presidential records through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) beginning five years after the end of the Administration, but allows the President to invoke as many as six specific restrictions to public access for up to twelve years.

Do you know the difference between RECORDS that the President WANTS TO DISPOSE OF vs. HIS OWN PERSONAL RECORDS he wants to KEEP AS PERSONAL?? The ARCHIVIST can proceed in a SET BY LAW manner THEN to determine what happens IF they are marked BY THE PRESIDENT FOR DISPOSAL.

This has ZERO application to Clinton OR TRUMP you blathering idiot. We aren't talking about PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS, but PERSONAL RECORDS which the archivist has ZERO CONTROL OVER!!
 

Beekeeper » 17 Jun 2023, 6:47 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2023, 6:47 am

Are you aware that NARA was SUED in order to FORCE THEM to seize Clinton's "sock drawer" tapes??? AND that under the PRA, it was RULED IN A COURT OF LAW by an OBAMA APPOINTED JUDGE that:

A. NARA has NO AUTHORITY TO SEIZE ANYTHING AT ANY TIME
B. That ONLY the President can determine what is Presidential records and what is Personal; records.NARA has no authority to do so.
C. That NARA has do legal basis to look at any records NOR to make any determination to CLASSIFICATION.
D. That NO OTHER AGENCY has any legal basis to seize ANY records that a President has taken with him under the PRA.

Now, **** *******, SHUT THE **** UP!!

show the official law.

jerrab » 17 Jun 2023, 3:35 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2023, 3:35 pm

asshiole you prove your self wrong.
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Jackson NEVER quoted THAT SECTION of the ruling you refer to, ****!!

Since you claim that QUOTE is in her ruling, PRODUCE THE LINK, AND THE ENTIRE QUOTE!!

YOU LOSE!!!

                         

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Beekeeper » 17 Jun 2023, 4:13 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2023, 4:13 pm

Do you know the difference between RECORDS that the President WANTS TO DISPOSE OF vs. HIS OWN PERSONAL RECORDS he wants to KEEP AS PERSONAL?? The ARCHIVIST can proceed in a SET BY LAW manner THEN to determine what happens IF they are marked BY THE PRESIDENT FOR DISPOSAL.

This has ZERO application to Clinton OR TRUMP you blathering idiot. We aren't talking about PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS, but PERSONAL RECORDS which the archivist has ZERO CONTROL OVER!!

• Allows the incumbent President to dispose of records that no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value, once the views of the Archivist of the United States on the proposed disposal have been obtained in writing.
• Establishes in law that any incumbent Presidential records (whether textual or electronic) held on courtesy storage by the Archivist remain in the exclusive legal custody of the President and that any request or order for access to such records must be made to the President, not NARA.
• Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office.

jerrab » 17 Jun 2023, 4:14 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2023, 4:14 pm

show the official law.

I have a COURT RULING by an OVOMITOLIA JUDGE that QUOTED THE LAW, **** and NONE OF YOUR CLAIMS ARE IN HER RULING!!

But 100% of EVERYTHING I HAVE POSTED IS IN HER RULING!!

THAT'S a far better INTERPRETATION OF THE LAW than YOU HAVE EVER MADE, ****!!!

jerrab » 17 Jun 2023, 4:16 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2023, 4:16 pm

• Allows the incumbent President to dispose of records that no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value, once the views of the Archivist of the United States on the proposed disposal have been obtained in writing.
• Establishes in law that any incumbent Presidential records (whether textual or electronic) held on courtesy storage by the Archivist remain in the exclusive legal custody of the President and that any request or order for access to such records must be made to the President, not NARA.
• Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office.

Correct!!

PRESIDENTIAL vs PERSONAL RECORDS ****.

DISPOSAL versus KEEPING THEM.

YOU are talking about DISPOSAL, not ones HELD by the PRESIDENT/FORMER PRESIDENT as PERSONAL. The ARCHIVIST HAS NO LEGAL RIGHT TO VIEW OR DETERMINE THEIR OUTCOME, ASSHOLE

Beekeeper » 17 Jun 2023, 4:15 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2023, 4:15 pm

Since you claim that QUOTE is in her ruling, PRODUCE THE LINK, AND THE ENTIRE QUOTE!!

YOU LOSE!!!

                         

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https://apnews.com/article/trump-indict ... nton%20and

https://casetext.com/case/judicial-watc ... ords-admin

In response to your appeal, first, and most importantly, the Taylor Branch audio tapes are not and have never been physically located at the Clinton Library or at any other NARA facility, and thus your FOIA request is premised on a faulty assumption that these materials are somehow within the present custody of the National Archives—which they are not.
Id. The letter went on to say:To the extent, however, that your FOIA appeal can be read as requesting that the National Archives should make a further determination that the materials in question ought to be considered “presidential records” within the meaning of the PRA, we decline to do so. In making a decision on this matter I have to consider the nature of the audio tapes, if they were created with the intent of their use as government materials, and whether or not they were circulated within the Administration or relied on as policy documents. On the facts made available to me, I do not believe the materials in question fall within the ambit of the PRA.
 
 

RebelGator » 17 Jun 2023, 1:06 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2023, 1:06 pm

You apparently don't know who the United States is......it sure the **** isn't a bunch of federal bureacrats.

I have known all my adult life that the average American citizen has neither the clearance nor the need to know the highly classified information that our government gathers and retains on their behalf.  

Beekeeper » 17 Jun 2023, 4:19 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2023, 4:19 pm

Correct!!

PRESIDENTIAL vs PERSONAL RECORDS ****.

DISPOSAL versus KEEPING THEM.

YOU are talking about DISPOSAL, not ones HELD by the PRESIDENT/FORMER PRESIDENT as PERSONAL. The ARCHIVIST HAS NO LEGAL RIGHT TO VIEW OR DETERMINE THEIR OUTCOME, ASSHOLE

, once the views of the Archivist of the United States on the proposed disposal have been obtained in writing.

jerrab » 17 Jun 2023, 4:52 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2023, 4:52 pm

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https://apnews.com/article/trump-indict ... nton%20and

In response to your appeal, first, and most importantly, the Taylor Branch audio tapes are not and have never been physically located at the Clinton Library or at any other NARA facility, and thus your FOIA request is premised on a faulty assumption that these materials are somehow within the present custody of the National Archives—which they are not.
Id. The letter went on to say:To the extent, however, that your FOIA appeal can be read as requesting that the National Archives should make a further determination that the materials in question ought to be considered “presidential records” within the meaning of the PRA, we decline to do so. In making a decision on this matter I have to consider the nature of the audio tapes, if they were created with the intent of their use as government materials, and whether or not they were circulated within the Administration or relied on as policy documents. On the facts made available to me, I do not believe the materials in question fall within the ambit of the PRA.

NOW you are coming around to the FACTS and that is, that SINCE THE NARA has NO POSSESSION OF RECORDS, NOR CAN THEY MAKE ANY DETERMINATION AS TO IF THEY ARE PRESIDENTIAL OR PERSONAL, THERE IS NO RIGHT FOR THEM TO TAKE POSSESSION BY ANY MEANS!!!

Same holds true for TRUMP'S RECORDS!!!

jerrab » 17 Jun 2023, 4:56 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2023, 4:56 pm

, once the views of the Archivist of the United States on the proposed disposal have been obtained in writing.

So who is "disposing" of records here, ****??

Trump surely isn't. AND any he does dispose of ARE NOT PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS, but PERSONAL and he can have the biggest bonfire in the world with those and the NARA can do NOTHING, nor can the FBI, CIA, DOJ, or BIDEN!!

Suck on those sours grapes, ASSHOLE!!!

 

jerrab » 17 Jun 2023, 4:56 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2023, 4:56 pm

, once the views of the Archivist of the United States on the proposed disposal have been obtained in writing.

there is NO disposal!

maineman » 17 Jun 2023, 4:53 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2023, 4:53 pm

I have known all my adult life that the average American citizen has neither the clearance nor the need to know the highly classified information that our government gathers and retains on their behalf.

I'll go you one better, the average American citizen is a mouth breathing idiot that could care less about classified information, nonetheless as a citizen their rights to decide what is relevant does not take a back seat to any other citizen's so-called clearance nonsense......especially after these intelligence hacks have been proven to be corrupt and partisan liars.

maineman » 17 Jun 2023, 4:53 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2023, 4:53 pm

I have known all my adult life that the average American citizen has neither the clearance nor the need to know the highly classified information that our government gathers and retains on their behalf.

Biden didn't have the clearance to take classified docs when he was a senator or the VP...but he did it anyway.


mainemop always leaves that part out because he supports organized crime.

Beekeeper » 17 Jun 2023, 4:57 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2023, 4:57 pm

NOW you are coming around to the FACTS and that is, that SINCE THE NARA has NO POSSESSION OF RECORDS, NOR CAN THEY MAKE ANY DETERMINATION AS TO IF THEY ARE PRESIDENTIAL OR PERSONAL, THERE IS NO RIGHT FOR THEM TO TAKE POSSESSION BY ANY MEANS!!!

Same holds true for TRUMP'S RECORDS!!!

 

• President.
• Requires that the President and his staff take all practical steps to file personal records separately from Presidential records.
• Allows the incumbent President to dispose of records that no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value, once the views of the Archivist of the United States on the proposed disposal have been obtained in writing.
• Establishes in law that any incumbent Presidential records (whether textual or electronic) held on courtesy storage by the Archivist remain in the exclusive legal custody of the President and that any request or order for access to such records must be made to the President, not NARA.
• Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office.