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"DOJ has one big problem with its Trump criminal case, legal expert says"
"DOJ has one big problem with its Trump criminal case, legal expert says"
By roadkill
9 Jun 2023 4:22 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
23 Jun 2023 6:40 pm
You seem to lose sight of that FACT that Jackson RULED WITHOUT ANY CONFUSION that the LAW PERMITS THE PRESIDENT TO DETERMINE WHICH IS WHICH and no one else. NOT the archivist, NOT the FBI, NOT the CIA, NOT the Military. THE PRESIDENT!!!jerrab » 23 Jun 2023, 4:26 pm » wrote: ↑ it is carefully spelled out which are government documents and which are personal documents, even a child can tell the difference.
aaaaand he has already admitted not all documents are personal.
Need to see that QUOTE AGAIN from her RULING?? Scroll up scrotum sucker.
Liberals are spoiled children, miserable, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic & useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats ~O'Rourke
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
23 Jun 2023 7:01 pm
Beekeeper » 23 Jun 2023, 6:40 pm » wrote: ↑ You seem to lose sight of that FACT that Jackson RULED WITHOUT ANY CONFUSION that the LAW PERMITS THE PRESIDENT TO DETERMINE WHICH IS WHICH and no one else. NOT the archivist, NOT the FBI, NOT the CIA, NOT the Military. THE PRESIDENT!!!
Need to see that QUOTE AGAIN from her RULING?? Scroll up scrotum sucker.
jackson cannot overrule a bill enacted by congress and signed by a president.
23 Jun 2023 7:02 pm
Beekeeper » 23 Jun 2023, 6:38 pm » wrote: ↑ And you JUST PROVED that Trump had EVERY LEGAL RIGHT to go though, determine AGAIN what was PERSONAL and what was PRESIDENTIAL as he LEGALLY BY LAW has every right to do. PERIOD!!
You are just WAY TO STUPID to realize that you LOST with your OWN VIDEO!!!
he admits they are NOT ALL HIS PERSONAL PROPERTY.
23 Jun 2023 7:14 pm
call them and have them explain it to youBeekeeper » 23 Jun 2023, 6:40 pm » wrote: ↑ You seem to lose sight of that FACT that Jackson RULED WITHOUT ANY CONFUSION that the LAW PERMITS THE PRESIDENT TO DETERMINE WHICH IS WHICH and no one else. NOT the archivist, NOT the FBI, NOT the CIA, NOT the Military. THE PRESIDENT!!!
Need to see that QUOTE AGAIN from her RULING?? Scroll up scrotum sucker.
24 Jun 2023 3:54 am
Your intellectual mind doesn't pay attention to your own ancestral brain. Not anyone else's fault but your own choices made and promises to keep a secret to your grave no matter what.jerra b » 23 Jun 2023, 4:26 pm » wrote: ↑ it is carefully spelled out which are government documents and which are personal documents, even a child can tell the difference.
aaaaand he has already admitted not all documents are personal.
24 Jun 2023 5:55 am
Oh really now.jerrab » 23 Jun 2023, 7:01 pm » wrote: ↑ jackson cannot overrule a bill enacted by congress and signed by a president.
So is that why JUDGES rule that certain LEGISLATION is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and slaps it down, issues injunctions, and remands Congress when it happens???
https://constitution.congress.gov/resou ... onal-laws/
You must be THE dumbest box of rocks that ever sucked air.
Liberals are spoiled children, miserable, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic & useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats ~O'Rourke
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
24 Jun 2023 6:01 am
Show me where it is a CRIME!!! Under the PRA!!
Oh, that's right, it's NOT!!!
Liberals are spoiled children, miserable, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic & useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats ~O'Rourke
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
24 Jun 2023 7:26 am
I see jb is upset again...he's easily juked.Beekeeper » 24 Jun 2023, 6:01 am » wrote: ↑ Show me where it is a CRIME!!! Under the PRA!!
Oh, that's right, it's NOT!!!
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FyMt0gdORa4
24 Jun 2023 7:36 am
His chain is so easily jerked. ANYTHING Trump is all it takes to send ANY of them into a tirade of hate and spittle flying.roadkill » 24 Jun 2023, 7:26 am » wrote: ↑ I see jb is upset again...he's easily juked.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FyMt0gdORa4
Not to mention NOT ONE SINGLE THING he has said is remotely close to accurate on the PRA. Judge Jackson's ruling to him isn't accurate or something stupid like that.
Liberals are spoiled children, miserable, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic & useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats ~O'Rourke
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
24 Jun 2023 7:47 am
Beekeeper » 24 Jun 2023, 7:36 am » wrote: ↑ His chain is so easily jerked. ANYTHING Trump is all it takes to send ANY of them into a tirade of hate and spittle flying.
Not to mention NOT ONE SINGLE THING he has said is remotely close to accurate on the PRA. Judge Jackson's ruling to him isn't accurate or something stupid like that.
But but...jb's an independent just like futz.
24 Jun 2023 8:32 am
Beekeeper » 23 Jun 2023, 6:40 pm » wrote: ↑ You seem to lose sight of that FACT that Jackson RULED WITHOUT ANY CONFUSION that the LAW PERMITS THE PRESIDENT TO DETERMINE WHICH IS WHICH and no one else. NOT the archivist, NOT the FBI, NOT the CIA, NOT the Military. THE PRESIDENT!!!
Need to see that QUOTE AGAIN from her RULING?? Scroll up scrotum sucker.
the law instructs the president to separate government from personal documents. nara won so they did not appeal. nara had already determined the tapes were personal.
documents which government documents and which are personal are spelled out in the rules.
24 Jun 2023 8:34 am
Beekeeper » 24 Jun 2023, 7:36 am » wrote: ↑ His chain is so easily jerked. ANYTHING Trump is all it takes to send ANY of them into a tirade of hate and spittle flying.
Not to mention NOT ONE SINGLE THING he has said is remotely close to accurate on the PRA. Judge Jackson's ruling to him isn't accurate or something stupid like that.
nope. the ruling is inaccurate and the supreme court knows it.
24 Jun 2023 8:38 am
No, **** MORON, READ THE DAMN OPINION. SHE PLAINLY STATED THAT NARA had NO LEGAL BASIS TO MAKE ANY CLAIM ON ANYTHING CLINTON HAD!!!jerrab » 24 Jun 2023, 8:32 am » wrote: ↑ the law instructs the president to separate government from personal documents. nara won so they did not appeal. nara had already determined the tapes were personal.
documents which government documents and which are personal are spelled out in the rules.
PERIOD!!.
NOR did they have ANY LEGAL BASIS to classify ANYTHING Clinton had.
SUCKS for you, huh??
So THAT explains that NARA, the courts, and NO ONE ELSE has any JURISDICTION over what the PRESIDENT DEEMS PERSONAL or PRESIDENTIAL!!As another court in this district has observed, “[t]he PRA incorporates an assumption made by Congress (in 1978) that subsequent Presidents and Vice Presidents would comply with the Act in good faith, and therefore Congress limited the scope of judicial review and provided little oversight authority for the President and Vice President's document preservation decisions.” CREW v. Cheney, 593 F.Supp.2d 194, 198 (D.D.C.2009)
See that "Little oversight authority" part?? THAT is the STATEMENT that applies and YOU need to SHUT THE **** UP and accept that this is the LAW AS WRITTEN!!
Liberals are spoiled children, miserable, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic & useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats ~O'Rourke
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
24 Jun 2023 8:45 am
Oh really now!!jerrab » 24 Jun 2023, 8:34 am » wrote: ↑ nope. the ruling is inaccurate and the supreme court knows it.
So show us where the SCOTUS has made such a claim!!
GO!!
(since it doesn't exist, this bagf ****** air will deflect or run!!)
Liberals are spoiled children, miserable, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic & useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats ~O'Rourke
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
24 Jun 2023 9:15 am
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Beekeeper » 24 Jun 2023, 8:38 am » wrote: ↑ No, **** MORON, READ THE DAMN OPINION. SHE PLAINLY STATED THAT NARA had NO LEGAL BASIS TO MAKE ANY CLAIM ON ANYTHING CLINTON HAD!!!
PERIOD!!.
NOR did they have ANY LEGAL BASIS to classify ANYTHING Clinton had.
SUCKS for you, huh??
So THAT explains that NARA, the courts, and NO ONE ELSE has any JURISDICTION over what the PRESIDENT DEEMS PERSONAL or PRESIDENTIAL!!
See that "Little oversight authority" part?? THAT is the STATEMENT that applies and YOU need to SHUT THE **** UP and accept that this is the LAW AS WRITTEN!!
https://www.archives.gov/press/press-re ... 3/nr23-016
The Presidential Records Act (PRA) defines what constitutes “Presidential records” and what are “personal records.” 44 U.S.C. 2201. Personal records include “diaries, journals, or other personal notes serving as the functional equivalent of a diary or journal which are not prepared or utilized for, or circulated or communicated in the course of, transacting Government business.” The PRA also requires that all documentary materials “be categorized as Presidential records or personal records upon their creation or receipt and be filed separately.” 44 U.S.C. 2203(b). The President does not have discretion to categorize a Presidential record as a personal record.
24 Jun 2023 9:20 am
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/09/politics ... index.htmlBeekeeper » 24 Jun 2023, 8:38 am » wrote: ↑ No, **** MORON, READ THE DAMN OPINION. SHE PLAINLY STATED THAT NARA had NO LEGAL BASIS TO MAKE ANY CLAIM ON ANYTHING CLINTON HAD!!!
PERIOD!!.
NOR did they have ANY LEGAL BASIS to classify ANYTHING Clinton had.
SUCKS for you, huh??
So THAT explains that NARA, the courts, and NO ONE ELSE has any JURISDICTION over what the PRESIDENT DEEMS PERSONAL or PRESIDENTIAL!!
See that "Little oversight authority" part?? THAT is the STATEMENT that applies and YOU need to SHUT THE **** UP and accept that this is the LAW AS WRITTEN!!
In its statement Friday, the National Archives flatly disputed that claim, stating, “There is no history, practice, or provision in law for presidents to take official records with them when they leave office to sort through, such as for a two-year period as described in some reports.”
Asked about Parlatore’s comments that presidents have two years to go through their records after leaving office, Jason R. Baron, former director of litigation at the National Archives and Records Administration, told CNN, “The statement is false.”
“Only during his time in office does a President have the right to go through his records to separate what may be ‘personal records’ of his, from official records within the scope of the Presidential Records Act,” Baron added.Trump continued to make false claims about the Presidential Records Act on his Truth Social account, posting after the indictment was unsealed Friday, “This is crazy! … Under the Presidential Records Act, I’m allowed to do all this.
24 Jun 2023 9:22 am
https://www.scotusblog.com/2022/10/cour ... ents-case/Beekeeper » 24 Jun 2023, 8:45 am » wrote: ↑ Oh really now!!
So show us where the SCOTUS has made such a claim!!
GO!!
(since it doesn't exist, this bagf ****** air will deflect or run!!)
Trump came to the Supreme Court on Oct. 4, asking the justices to reinstate Cannon’s order and require DOJ to turn over the classified documents for the special master’s review. But on Thursday afternoon the justices turned Trump down. As is often the case with emergency appeals, the justices did not provide any explanation for their ruling
24 Jun 2023 9:58 am
*******. Do you know that this VALIDATES on Jackson's ruling???jerrab » 24 Jun 2023, 9:22 am » wrote: ↑ https://www.scotusblog.com/2022/10/cour ... ents-case/
Trump came to the Supreme Court on Oct. 4, asking the justices to reinstate Cannon’s order and require DOJ to turn over the classified documents for the special master’s review. But on Thursday afternoon the justices turned Trump down. As is often the case with emergency appeals, the justices did not provide any explanation for their ruling
As another court in this district has observed, “[t]he PRA incorporates an assumption made by Congress (in 1978) that subsequent Presidents and Vice Presidents would comply with the Act in good faith, and therefore Congress limited the scope of judicial review and provided little oversight authority for the President and Vice President's document preservation decisions.” CREW v. Cheney, 593 F.Supp.2d 194, 198 (D.D.C.2009
A SPECIAL MASTER isn't even given ANY AUTHORITY either under PRA either, ****!!
You REALLY don't understand a damn thing you post, so your best effort it to SHUT THE **** UP since 100% of your **** gets put to shame.
Liberals are spoiled children, miserable, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic & useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats ~O'Rourke
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
24 Jun 2023 10:01 am
So what??jerrab » 24 Jun 2023, 9:15 am » wrote: ↑ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
https://www.archives.gov/press/press-re ... 3/nr23-016
The Presidential Records Act (PRA) defines what constitutes “Presidential records” and what are “personal records.” 44 U.S.C. 2201. Personal records include “diaries, journals, or other personal notes serving as the functional equivalent of a diary or journal which are not prepared or utilized for, or circulated or communicated in the course of, transacting Government business.” The PRA also requires that all documentary materials “be categorized as Presidential records or personal records upon their creation or receipt and be filed separately.” 44 U.S.C. 2203(b). The President does not have discretion to categorize a Presidential record as a personal record.
Trump took and determined that he took PERSONAL RECORDS (or things were mistakenly packed BY SOMEONE ELSE) that were in question.
Do you REALLY think Trump packed ANYTHING?? You're getting moire DESPERATE by the second.
Liberals are spoiled children, miserable, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic & useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats ~O'Rourke
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
24 Jun 2023 10:10 am
Beekeeper » 24 Jun 2023, 10:01 am » wrote: ↑ So what??
Trump took and determined that he took PERSONAL RECORDS (or things were mistakenly packed BY SOMEONE ELSE) that were in question.
Do you REALLY think Trump packed ANYTHING?? You're getting moire DESPERATE by the second.
The President does not have discretion to categorize a Presidential record as a personal record.
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