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Z09 » 24 Jun 2023, 12:40 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2023, 12:40 pm

Hunter talja about his Dad and holding a grudge....
A couple days later $5 million rolls in from China...

And this isn't news worthy?

sure anyway to  distract that trump stole every presidential document of four years.,,,,,,,

Z09 » 24 Jun 2023, 12:18 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2023, 12:18 pm

The testimony about the Biden's is shocking.
It should be headlines everywhere.

what do you have to say about trump stealing government records??

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The President does not have discretion to categorize a Presidential record as a personal record.

jerrab » 24 Jun 2023, 2:27 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2023, 2:27 pm

https://www.archives.gov/press/press-re ... 3/nr23-016

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------What are “Presidential records” under the Presidential Records Act (PRA)?"’Presidential records’ means documentary materials created or received by the President, the President’s immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise or assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.” Prior press statements in response to media queries about Presidential records are available online at https://www.archives.gov/press/press-re ... 2/nr22-001.# # #For press information contact the National Archives Public and Media Communications Staff via email at public.affairs@nara.gov.

Idiot...and you said...

The President does not have discretion to categorize a Presidential record as a personal record

So where in the LAW does it state YOUR CLAIM that the President can't determine PERSONAL from PRESIDENTIAL?? It doesn't. BUT it does list what CAN BE Presidential, but NO WHERE does it say IF MUST BE CLASSIFIES PRESIDENTIAL.

An INVITATION to a State Dinner is "created by the President of his Staff" and is in NO WAY going to be deemed something that the NARA is going to have ANY control over. They ONLY control WHAT THE PRESIDENT GIVES TO THEM, ****!! If the President DEEMS THAT INVITATION a PERSONAL RECORD, he keeps it. NARA has ZERO authority to tell him otherwise!!

You keep losing here. Sooer or later, you will finally either GO THE **** AWAY or SHUT THE **** UP!! YOU'VE LOST.

Z09 » 24 Jun 2023, 12:40 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2023, 12:40 pm

Hunter talja about his Dad and holding a grudge....
A couple days later $5 million rolls in from China...

And this isn't news worthy?

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https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/09/politics ... index.html

The National Archives is pushing back on claims made by former President Donald Trump, his lawyers and his allies over his retention of classified documents, for which he now faces a federal indictment.On Friday, the Archives took the rare step of releasing a public statement rebuking claims suggesting that Trump was allowed to keep classified materials under the Presidential Records Act.“Recent media reports have generated a large number of queries about Presidential records and the Presidential Records Act (PRA). The PRA requires that all records created by Presidents (and Vice-Presidents) be turned over to the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) at the end of their administrations,” according to the statement released by the National Archives on Friday afternoon.Former Trump attorney Tim Parlatore, who worked on the classified documents case before leaving the former President’s legal team in recent weeks, mischaracterized the Presidential Records Act repeatedly during TV appearances this week, including on CNN Thursday night.Parlatore said that a President “is supposed to take the next two years after they leave office to go through all these documents to figure out what’s personal and what’s presidential.
 

jerrab » 24 Jun 2023, 2:25 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2023, 2:25 pm

--------------------------------What are “personal records” under the Presidential Records Act (PRA)?Under the PRA, "’personal records’ means all documentary materials of a purely private or nonpublic character which do not relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.”   This includes (A) diaries, journals, or other personal notes serving as the functional equivalent of a diary or journal which are not prepared or utilized for, or circulated or communicated in the course of, transacting Government business; (B) materials relating to private political associations, and having no relation to or direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President; and (C) materials relating exclusively to the President’s own election to the office of the Presidency; and materials directly relating to the election of a particular individual or individuals to Federal, State, or local office, which have no relation to or direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.

What you have FAILED TO DO is provide the ACTUAL WORD OF THE LAW, ****!!!

So that law does NOT SAY that these are the ONLY THINGS deemed "Personal" or "Presidential". It says MAY INCLUDE, but does NOT SAY, MUST INCLUDE or is LEGALLY REQUIRED to include. READ THE TEXT, **** and then you can AGAIN....

SHUT THE **** UP as you LOST!!

AGAIN!!!

                           

jerrab » 24 Jun 2023, 10:10 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2023, 10:10 am

The President does not have discretion to categorize a Presidential record as a personal record. 

Yes they do...

Judge Jackson in 2012 defines Trump gets to determine what is personal and what he keeps...
The reason they doesn't prosecute presidents for mere possession of documents is....
This was decided already in 2012 ... so anything they think they have on him is only a political hack job..
the judge ruled Clinton could keep any records he wants... so can Trump... Biden was only a VP
Judge Amy Jackson ruled in 2012 that a president's discretion to declare records "personal" is far-reaching and mostly unchallengeable.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy ... uld-impact
https://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-conten ... -01834.pdf
https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/stat ... 4292813827
https://case-law.vlex.com/vid/judicial- ... -890793772
https://www.docketbird.com/court-docume ... 1834-00013

Beekeeper » 24 Jun 2023, 2:39 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2023, 2:39 pm

What you have FAILED TO DO is provide the ACTUAL WORD OF THE LAW, ****!!!

So that law does NOT SAY that these are the ONLY THINGS deemed "Personal" or "Presidential". It says MAY INCLUDE, but does NOT SAY, MUST INCLUDE or is LEGALLY REQUIRED to include. READ THE TEXT, **** and then you can AGAIN....

SHUT THE **** UP as you LOST!!

AGAIN!!!

                         

--------------------------------------------------------------------§2203. Management and custody of Presidential records(a) Through the implementation of records management controls and other necessary actions, the President shall take all such steps as may be necessary to assure that the activities, deliberations, decisions, and policies that reflect the performance of the President's constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties are adequately documented and that such records are preserved and maintained as Presidential records pursuant to the requirements of this section and other provisions of law.(b) Documentary materials produced or received by the President, the President's staff, or units or individuals in the Executive Office of the President the function of which is to advise or assist the President, shall, to the extent practicable, be categorized as Presidential records or personal records upon their creation or receipt and be filed separately.(c) During the President's term of office, the President may dispose of those Presidential records of such President that no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value if—(1) the President obtains the views, in writing, of the Archivist concerning the proposed disposal of such Presidential records; and(2) the Archivist states that the Archivist does not intend to take any action under subsection (e) of this section.


https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?pat ... ion=prelim
 

Beekeeper » 24 Jun 2023, 2:39 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2023, 2:39 pm

What you have FAILED TO DO is provide the ACTUAL WORD OF THE LAW, ****!!!

So that law does NOT SAY that these are the ONLY THINGS deemed "Personal" or "Presidential". It says MAY INCLUDE, but does NOT SAY, MUST INCLUDE or is LEGALLY REQUIRED to include. READ THE TEXT, **** and then you can AGAIN....

SHUT THE **** UP as you LOST!!

AGAIN!!!

                         

(g)(1) Upon the conclusion of a President's term of office, or if a President serves consecutive terms upon the conclusion of the last term, the Archivist of the United States shall assume responsibility for the custody, control, and preservation of, and access to, the Presidential records of that President. The Archivist shall have an affirmative duty to make such records available to the public as rapidly and completely as possible consistent with the provisions of this chapter

jerrab » 24 Jun 2023, 4:00 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2023, 4:00 pm

(g)(1) Upon the conclusion of a President's term of office, or if a President serves consecutive terms upon the conclusion of the last term, the Archivist of the United States shall assume responsibility for the custody, control, and preservation of, and access to, the Presidential records of that President. The Archivist shall have an affirmative duty to make such records available to the public as rapidly and completely as possible consistent with the provisions of this chapter

you seem to have made mister honeypot your bitch.    

I applaud your patience.  I put that loser on ignore weeks ago.

jerrab » 24 Jun 2023, 4:00 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2023, 4:00 pm

(g)(1) Upon the conclusion of a President's term of office, or if a President serves consecutive terms upon the conclusion of the last term, the Archivist of the United States shall assume responsibility for the custody, control, and preservation of, and access to, the Presidential records of that President. The Archivist shall have an affirmative duty to make such records available to the public as rapidly and completely as possible consistent with the provisions of this chapter

Yeah, that means WHATEVER THE PRESIDENT has determined to be PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS, ****!! ONLY THEN does the ARCHIVIST have ANY CONTROL!!

You just keep PROVING THE POINT that the PRESIDENT CONTROLS THE RECORDS AND THEIR CLASSIFICATION before he hands them over to the NARA!!

Run along now, **** and GO POUND SAND!!

maineman » 24 Jun 2023, 4:03 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2023, 4:03 pm

you seem to have made mister honeypot your bitch.    

I applaud your patience.  I put that loser on ignore weeks ago.

Was that BEFORE or AFTER you SUCKED MY COCK???

                   
 

maineman » 24 Jun 2023, 4:03 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2023, 4:03 pm

you seem to have made mister honeypot your bitch.    

I applaud your patience.  I put that loser on ignore weeks ago.

he will still try to find a way around US law.

stealing just one government document would be around 10 years. I wonder what the punishment will be for thousands?

jerrab » 24 Jun 2023, 4:21 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2023, 4:21 pm

he will still try to find a way around US law.

stealing just one government document would be around 10 years. I wonder what the punishment will be for thousands?

You can show us that LAW, right??

You are so much MY LITTLE BITCH that you squat down to suck my COCK just like your boy @maineman  the FORUM ******!!

And you are his little MOUTHPIECE and BACKDOOR TREAT!!

Beekeeper » 24 Jun 2023, 4:20 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2023, 4:20 pm

Yeah, that means WHATEVER THE PRESIDENT has determined to be PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS, ****!! ONLY THEN does the ARCHIVIST have ANY CONTROL!!

You just keep PROVING THE POINT that the PRESIDENT CONTROLS THE RECORDS AND THEIR CLASSIFICATION before he hands them over to the NARA!!

Run along now, **** and GO POUND SAND!!

find the US law that lets trump keep all documents.

I will wait.







 

Beekeeper » 24 Jun 2023, 4:23 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2023, 4:23 pm

You can show us that LAW, right??

You are so much MY LITTLE BITCH that you squat down to suck my COCK just like your boy @maineman  the FORUM ******!!

And you are his little MOUTHPIECE and BACKDOOR TREAT!!

The President does not have discretion to categorize a Presidential record as a personal record

Beekeeper » 24 Jun 2023, 4:20 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2023, 4:20 pm

Yeah, that means WHATEVER THE PRESIDENT has determined to be PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS, ****!! ONLY THEN does the ARCHIVIST have ANY CONTROL!!

You just keep PROVING THE POINT that the PRESIDENT CONTROLS THE RECORDS AND THEIR CLASSIFICATION before he hands them over to the NARA!!

Run along now, **** and GO POUND SAND!!

--------------------------------------------------------------------§2203. Management and custody of Presidential records(a) Through the implementation of records management controls and other necessary actions, the President shall take all such steps as may be necessary to assure that the activities, deliberations, decisions, and policies that reflect the performance of the President's constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties are adequately documented and that such records are preserved and maintained as Presidential records pursuant to the requirements of this section and other provisions of law

jerrab » 24 Jun 2023, 3:53 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2023, 3:53 pm

--------------------------------------------------------------------§2203. (b) Documentary materials produced or received by the President, the President's staff, or units or individuals in the Executive Office of the President the function of which is to advise or assist the President, shall, to the extent practicable, be categorized as Presidential records or personal records upon their creation or receipt and be filed separately [...]
 

So my little CUCKY BOY, tell us WHO DETERMINES if they are PRESIDENTIAL or PERSONAL??? And WHO does the "filing" part??

Does that say that NARA does that work or the PRESIDENT and his STAFF make that determination???

You BITCH SLAP YOUR OWN CUCKED SELF and are TOO **** STUPID to realize it, CUCKYBOY!!

Beekeeper » 24 Jun 2023, 4:23 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2023, 4:23 pm

You can show us that LAW, right??

You are so much MY LITTLE BITCH that you squat down to suck my COCK just like your boy @maineman  the FORUM ******!!

And you are his little MOUTHPIECE and BACKDOOR TREAT!!

nope, I can't.

THAT LAW  DOES NOT EXIST!!

jerrab » 24 Jun 2023, 4:23 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2023, 4:23 pm

find the US law that lets trump keep all documents.

I will wait.

Find the US Law that says that NARA determines what is Presidential and what is PERSONAL!!!

It DOES NOT EXIST, ****!!!

The PRESIDENT determines what is what, ASSWIPE!!

Beekeeper » 24 Jun 2023, 4:27 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2023, 4:27 pm

So my little CUCKY BOY, tell us WHO DETERMINES if they are PRESIDENTIAL or PERSONAL??? And WHO does the "filing" part??

Does that say that NARA does that work or the PRESIDENT and his STAFF make that determination???

You BITCH SLAP YOUR OWN CUCKED SELF and are TOO **** STUPID to realize it, CUCKYBOY!!

the rules are plain.

and explained.