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razoo » 20 Jun 2023, 9:13 am » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2023, 9:13 am

i"d say there is more speculation than fact floating around = $32 per hour is not a lot of money at this point in history.

CEO's and BOD's are over rated and over paid ........

your framed mind created after birth replacing your previous 4 generation gaps by honoring statistical averaged facts sustained by your 4 previous generation gaps has lost your combined ancestral numbers' core sense of time sharing space here now.

Currency by any monetary system was created to work subliminally within the population to always prefer waiting until tomorrow believing eternity is anywhere else but the moment here by members of the species evolving like the rest but created an imaginary barrier of relative time keeping the illuion life exceeds evolving as displaced now.

razoo » 19 Jun 2023, 6:13 am » wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2023, 6:13 am

$17.50 per hour ....
 

No need for that.  Eliminating Food Stamps eliminates the need for Food Stamps.  Simple.

razoo » 20 Jun 2023, 12:53 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2023, 12:53 pm

Does not eliminate the need for food ...............

Need food?  You can: 1) grow it or 2) buy it. 
 

razoo » 20 Jun 2023, 12:53 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2023, 12:53 pm

Does not eliminate the need for food ...............

3 minutes without air, 3 days without water, 30 days without food and that is after birth.

the math may work out but humans are not that consistent and predictable. If you make it too easy.. folks will do nothing to contribute to the fund that is being redistributed from.

impartialobserver » 20 Jun 2023, 3:46 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2023, 3:46 pm

the math may work out but humans are not that consistent and predictable. If you make it too easy.. folks will do nothing to contribute to the fund that is being redistributed from.

ha ha ha ha ha not that predictable? Damn they are socially programmed to defend ideology they identify beyond mutually evolving forward now in plain sight. Mind controlled by social consensus had its brain washed since birth all 5 generations included.

razoo » 19 Jun 2023, 6:13 am » wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2023, 6:13 am

$17.50 per hour is $33,000 per year thus $35 per hour is $66,000 per year which would eliminate the need for food stamps for a ton of people.

What's wrong with that?

And $66,000 a year would push up economic growth which is a good thing.

What's wrong with that?

If CEO's would cut their salaries by 50% and eliminate golden parachutes the cost of goods would not increase 
paying workers $66,000 a year.

All ducky until you are paying $20 a gallon for milk. An hour of unskilled labor is worth $5 an hour. Tripling this base rate has already driven up prices nationwide. Those getting **** are the retired and disabled trying to live on fixed incomes. 
 
 

Neo » 20 Jun 2023, 6:57 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2023, 6:57 pm

All ducky until you are paying $20 a gallon for milk. An hour of unskilled labor is worth $5 an hour. Tripling this base rate has already driven up prices nationwide. Those getting **** are the retired and disabled trying to live on fixed incomes. 
 
 

Look at you playing arbitration to the value of currency past, present, future. Money is symbolism over substance, mind over matter, context governing content social self destruction of evolving in real time limited to adapting in space for the time each gets since conceived to replace their own specific "30 specific people" that were their 16 great great grandparents developing 8 great grandparents, adding 4 grandparents, delivering the 2 parenting each lifetime changing population forward born one at a time already here as genetics self evidently eternally separates lifetimes present since inception of their ancestral lineage native to this atmosphere.

Amazing how I can intellectually prevent my instinctive rage of knowing how every reality was part of corrupting my ancestries time being alive so far. I don't like being played a fool, so I stopped fooling around clown world pretending now isn't eternity as civilly as a silent majority is an urban legend.

It isn't. Minority rules by power of suggesting life isn't self evident. Methodology doesn't change by dictatorship or democracy, serving a God or saving a country's mentality..

Z09 » 21 Jun 2023, 7:15 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jun 2023, 7:15 am

We'll try this gain...

You want everyone to make $35.00 an hour..

If the guy making a pizza gets $35.00 an hour and the guy that delivers the pizza is getting $35.00 an hour would the price of the pizza change?

There would be no more pizza because the owner would be driven out of business!!!
 

razoo » 21 Jun 2023, 6:55 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jun 2023, 6:55 am

• A full-time worker in the U.S. needs to make $28.58 an hour, on average, to afford a modest two-bedroom apartment in their area.
• More than a third of U.S. households are renters.
• For over a decade, the federal minimum wage has been stuck at $7.25

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/14/state-m ... lainternal
 

wow, always avoiding what is taken out in multiple tiered taxation. Your refusal to include it shows you always knew and kept it a need to know information to become a leader of people never accepting life in real time.

razoo » 19 Jun 2023, 6:13 am » wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2023, 6:13 am

$17.50 per hour is $33,000 per year thus $35 per hour is $66,000 per year which would eliminate the need for food stamps for a ton of people.

What's wrong with that?

And $66,000 a year would push up economic growth which is a good thing.

What's wrong with that?

If CEO's would cut their salaries by 50% and eliminate golden parachutes the cost of goods would not increase 
paying workers $66,000 a year.

Jeez you're stupid.

razoo » 19 Jun 2023, 6:13 am » wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2023, 6:13 am

$17.50 per hour is $33,000 per year thus $35 per hour is $66,000 per year which would eliminate the need for food stamps for a ton of people.

What's wrong with that?

And $66,000 a year would push up economic growth which is a good thing.

What's wrong with that?

If CEO's would cut their salaries by 50% and eliminate golden parachutes the cost of goods would not increase 
paying workers $66,000 a year.

Classic economists about all agree that the minimum wage is inefficient and causes job losses.

In other words, let’s say there’s a little fast food joint that has ten employees at $10 an hour and the payroll is a thousand dollars an hour.

Raise the wage to $12.50 and suddenly the owner’s labor costs go up 25% and his sales won’t keep up.  If he raises prices he sells less volume, and he’ll need fewer workers.

I think it’s important for us who don’t believe in Q Anon and stolen elections and Kenyan births and other MAGA fairy tales to never, ever, even a little bit stray off into left wing fantasies. 

I believe in a minimum wage.  If you didn’t have one there’d be a permanent underclass worse than we already have now.  People would set up businesses on a business model of $5 an hour.  But the minimum wage needs to be based on a per cent of the average wage.

 All of my life, the Labor Department has published each month an average wage for USA workers.

Last month it was $28.75 an hour.

 
 
And at least since I was in high school fifty years ago, the standard percentage of the average wage that minimum wage advocates (not Trumpies or other such troglodytes) has been from a low of 40% to a max of 60%.  One half is a good median.

The minimum wage should be gradually raised to $15 an hour on the federal level, then indexed at one half the average wage thereafter.

And even that will cause pain.  It always has caused pain, to raise the minimum wage.

But far, far more important is to prevent the MAGA crowd from ever gaining a trifecta in power again.

Every decent thing you’ve ever believed in will be gone, if they ever hold the power to destroy it.

They’d repeal all minimum wages and eliminate the Department of Labor tomorrow, if they only could.

food stamps are worth $7.50 an hour. $7.50 + $17.50 = $25.00 an hour. $52,000.00 a year. as another way to help the low income people, they could create a program where basic need utilities are free. and all use above basic need be increased to make it a revenue neutral program.   as automation eliminates low income jobs, the people must create programs that will stop homelessness from becoming an acceptable way of life in usa. as we are all aware of, congress is full of idiots who have trouble even handling the national debt. so!! move out of the way, congress. let the people form committees that will solve the economic problems facing usa.

walkingstick » 28 Jun 2023, 2:48 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jun 2023, 2:48 am

food stamps are worth $7.50 an hour. $7.50 + $17.50 = $25.00 an hour. $52,000.00 a year. as another way to help the low income people, they could create a program where basic need utilities are free. and all use above basic need be increased to make it a revenue neutral program.   as automation eliminates low income jobs, the people must create programs that will stop homelessness from becoming an acceptable way of life in usa. as we are all aware of, congress is full of idiots who have trouble even handling the national debt. so!! move out of the way, congress. let the people form committees that will solve the economic problems facing usa.

i say, create/have more, social programs that reduce the cost of living for the low income people. biggest social program that reduces the cost of living are the public schools. just think if the poor had to pay for their child's education.  and to repeat what is said. congress is full of idiots. unable to flush their toilets. in the next decade, over 20% of usa labor will become homeless, unless the people of usa shuts down the usa congress. let all states keep the federal income tax revenues their people create. go local on social programs. states will the best worker programs will attract the best workers. 

walkingstick » 28 Jun 2023, 3:01 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jun 2023, 3:01 am

i say, create/have more, social programs that reduce the cost of living for the low income people. biggest social program that reduces the cost of living are the public schools. just think if the poor had to pay for their child's education.  and to repeat what is said. congress is full of idiots. unable to flush their toilets. in the next decade, over 20% of usa labor will become homeless, unless the people of usa shuts down the usa congress. let all states keep the federal income tax revenues their people create. go local on social programs. states will the best worker programs will attract the best workers.

how to finance new social programs that would reduce the basic living cost of labor. #1 ~~~ 50% inheritance tax on all assets above one million dollars. #2  ~~~ bring back the luxury tax. #3 ~~~ eliminate the federal income  tax, replace it with a national sales tax that tax all imports. #4 ~~~ print new usa dollars. require proof of where the money came from on all cash exchanges above $10,000.00. ouch will go the illegal drug dealers. close to 3 trillion usa dollars will never be exchanged. you know the idiots in congress will protect their illegal drug suppliers. yes. there are countless ways to save usa. but first; usa congress idiots must go!!!!!!!!

razoo » 28 Jun 2023, 5:27 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jun 2023, 5:27 am

This is the only approach that makes dollars and sense which reduce the whining from the radical right wing fascist movement. Certainly would make a sweet contribution to the overall economic growth across the board....
locally, statewide and nationwide.

Conservatives assume they are the economic giants of our time however Reagan/Bush Supply Side Global Economics has proved that theory wrong the last 43 years. 

Reagan/Bush Supply Side Global Economics requires borrowing borrowing borrowing to cover the cost of the erroneous theory. Reagan/Bush Supply Side Global Economics tax cuts for the wealthy few has added big big
dollars to the debt.

Reagan/Bush Supply Side Global Economics is an expensive endeavor much more so that an extra dollar for a
Big Mac or maybe $5 extra for a three martini lunch.

Since you think that you can "spread the costs out" over a MULTIPLE line of products here's one you CAN'T EXPLAIN AWAY....

SERVICE INDUSTRIES don't have a massive product line to "spread the costs around" to. SO HOW ARE THEY GOING TO PAY MORE IN WAGES WITHOUT RAISING THE PRICES THEY CHARGE TO MASSIVE AMOUNTS??? And service industries make up over 50% of the BUSINESSES IN THIS NATION!!

EITHER ANSWER or your ENTIRE PREMISE IS NOTHING BY MORE LWNJ PROPAGANDA ****!!

Bruce » 27 Jun 2023, 9:35 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2023, 9:35 pm

In other words, let’s say there’s a little fast food joint that has ten employees at $10 an hour and the payroll is a thousand dollars an hour.


 

Do you even read the crap that rolls out of your math challenged brain?
You must be a government economist or at the most a lonely loon craving attention.
 

razoo » 19 Jun 2023, 6:13 am » wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2023, 6:13 am

$17.50 per hour is $33,000 per year thus $35 per hour is $66,000 per year which would eliminate the need for food stamps for a ton of people.

What's wrong with that?

And $66,000 a year would push up economic growth which is a good thing.

What's wrong with that?

If CEO's would cut their salaries by 50% and eliminate golden parachutes the cost of goods would not increase 
paying workers $66,000 a year.

why stop there....pay everyone millions a year

as you said...what's wrong with that?



but wait....pay everyone billions a years

as you said...what's wrong with that?



but wait...pay everyone trillions a year

as you said...what's wrong with that?


but wait....

razoo » 28 Jun 2023, 5:27 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jun 2023, 5:27 am

This is the only approach that makes dollars and sense which reduce the whining from the radical right wing fascist movement. Certainly would make a sweet contribution to the overall economic growth across the board....
locally, statewide and nationwide.

Conservatives assume they are the economic giants of our time however Reagan/Bush Supply Side Global Economics has proved that theory wrong the last 43 years. 

Reagan/Bush Supply Side Global Economics requires borrowing borrowing borrowing to cover the cost of the erroneous theory. Reagan/Bush Supply Side Global Economics tax cuts for the wealthy few has added big big
dollars to the debt.

Reagan/Bush Supply Side Global Economics is an expensive endeavor much more so that an extra dollar for a
Big Mac or maybe $5 extra for a three martini lunch.

From 1943 to 1962 the highest personal tax rate was 90% of income in the top bracket.  JFK lowered to top bracket, to 70%.

It wasn’t until Jimmy Carter until a 50% cap was placed but only for “earned income”.

Yes, the nation was wealthy from 1943 to 1978.

But rich people didn’t pay 90% or 70% or even half their income. A few unfortunate professional athletes got busted and sent to prison for tax evasion, but the rich found loopholes.

I’m on your side.

But this isn’t easy, it never has been easy, and never will be easy to raise minimum wage so that the least paid workers, who have almost no bargaining power, have a slightly easier time of fighting the battle of life.

The problem isn’t the wealthy earn too much.

The problem is to have wage laws that force the wealthy to have business models to pay the bottom scale workers about half the average wage.

And, every nation around the world has the same problem.

None set minimum wages much more than half the average wage.

 

Bruce » 27 Jun 2023, 9:35 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2023, 9:35 pm

Classic economists about all agree that the minimum wage is inefficient and causes job losses.

In other words, let’s say there’s a little fast food joint that has ten employees at $10 an hour and the payroll is a thousand dollars an hour.

Raise the wage to $12.50 and suddenly the owner’s labor costs go up 25% and his sales won’t keep up.  If he raises prices he sells less volume, and he’ll need fewer workers.

I think it’s important for us who don’t believe in Q Anon and stolen elections and Kenyan births and other MAGA fairy tales to never, ever, even a little bit stray off into left wing fantasies. 

I believe in a minimum wage.  If you didn’t have one there’d be a permanent underclass worse than we already have now.  People would set up businesses on a business model of $5 an hour.  But the minimum wage needs to be based on a per cent of the average wage.

 All of my life, the Labor Department has published each month an average wage for USA workers.

Last month it was $28.75 an hour.

 
 
And at least since I was in high school fifty years ago, the standard percentage of the average wage that minimum wage advocates (not Trumpies or other such troglodytes) has been from a low of 40% to a max of 60%.  One half is a good median.

The minimum wage should be gradually raised to $15 an hour on the federal level, then indexed at one half the average wage thereafter.

And even that will cause pain.  It always has caused pain, to raise the minimum wage.

But far, far more important is to prevent the MAGA crowd from ever gaining a trifecta in power again.

Every decent thing you’ve ever believed in will be gone, if they ever hold the power to destroy it.

They’d repeal all minimum wages and eliminate the Department of Labor tomorrow, if they only could.

What a completely evasive post about the whole equally created "We the people" protect character role playing until extinction arrives..

think I will nickname you Catlin, instead of Bruce. You have changed your genetics from chromosomes to syllables.