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Bruce » 26 Jun 2023, 7:50 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jun 2023, 7:50 am

The cornerstone of American civilization is our President, and everyone  else, is not above the law.

And the key to that is an independent Justice Department.

When Nixon fired Archibald Cox I was 15 years old.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Massacre

That might have ended our long experiment in self government except for enough Republican Senators determined to put the constitution ahead of party and give Nixon the choice of resignation or certain impeachment.

I was opposed to the prosecution of Trump because Republicans today are too weak willed, afraid of Trump, and believe the end justifies the means. 

There was no Fox News in 1973.  

The entire nation still supported public education, without question.

Today the people who believe in the rule of law are engaged in a long twilight struggle against a radical right wing element of the population that won’t send their kids to school, won’t get vaccinated, don’t believe in the least sacrifice for democracy, and openly advocate civil war.

And those ultra conservatives are our friends, neighbors, and fellow citizens.

They would support Trump regardless of anything he did.

And there are those on the progressive left that will accept any dastardly deed perpetrated by one of their own as well, so long as the means justify the ends.

Do they fit into this equation too, or are just the MAGAs the problem?
 

Third World Politics taking control of America 

RedheadedStranger » 26 Jun 2023, 8:02 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jun 2023, 8:02 am

And there are those on the progressive left that will accept any dastardly deed perpetrated by one of their own as well, so long as the means justify the ends.

Do they fit into this equation too, or are just the MAGAs the problem?

When Bill Clinton stuck his pecker in every girl that was alone in a room with him the left acted and conducted itself exactly like the right is doing today.  They were furious with the prosecutor, created diversions, and in general were utterly disgraceful until,,,,

Clinton came out and apologized, or rather, he sort of apologized.

Trump could end this tomorrow by saying four things:

1. I believed the election was stolen and I was deceived.  Biden won fair and square.

2. In Georgia I was wrong to try and recover what I thought then were stolen votes.

3. I’m sorry I didn’t cooperate with returning my papers.
Here are all the keys to my home and hard drives.

4.  I’m turning over my business interests to my children and Melania and I are going to build the most beautiful Presidential Library in world history, and we are searching for a site.

New York City would offer him free real estate downtown to build it.

But it’s not in his nature.

He’s going to drag his entire party down with him.

In fifty years not one soul on this planet will believe Trump was anything but a narcissistic child who destroyed the Republican Party for decades.

 Nixon received a state funeral, because he stepped aside and didn’t fight until the bitter end.
 

Bruce » 26 Jun 2023, 8:45 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jun 2023, 8:45 am

When Bill Clinton stuck his pecker in every girl that was alone in a room with him the left acted and conducted itself exactly like the right is doing today.  They were furious with the prosecutor, created diversions, and in general were utterly disgraceful until,,,,

Clinton came out and apologized, or rather, he sort of apologized.

Trump could end this tomorrow by saying four things:

1. I believed the election was stolen and I was deceived.  Biden won fair and square.

2. In Georgia I was wrong to try and recover what I thought then were stolen votes.

3. I’m sorry I didn’t cooperate with returning my papers.
Here are all the keys to my home and hard drives.

4.  I’m turning over my business interests to my children and Melania and I are going to build the most beautiful Presidential Library in world history, and we are searching for a site.

New York City would offer him free real estate downtown to build it.

But it’s not in his nature.

He’s going to drag his entire party down with him.

In fifty years not one soul on this planet will believe Trump was anything but a narcissistic child who destroyed the Republican Party for decades.

 Nixon received a state funeral, because he stepped aside and didn’t fight until the bitter end.

Democrats are liars

FJB » 26 Jun 2023, 9:20 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jun 2023, 9:20 am

Democrats are liars

43 years ago I could not dream, I’d be a Democrat today.

Now some days I wonder how, I ever was a Republican, but I was and an ardent one.

The worst thing Reagan ever did, was declare catsup was a vegetable.

But the reason for such a ridiculous thing was to allow children to have a cheeseburger with their school lunches.  None of us Republicans then actually argued, that catsup was in fact a vegetable.

Today’s Republican Party cannot tell the truth from a lie, or right from wrong, and doesn’t care to try.

To believe for one second Obama was not born exactly where his birth certificate said he was is the original sin of the MAGA Republicans.

Often, truth is elusive.

But often truth means admitting you are wrong.

I’m wrong several times a day, but never on purpose.
 

If you do not know the answer, read the effing Constitution.
Merrick Garland is doing a great job, but he should have managed to incarcerate the criminal Trump by now.

Bruce » 26 Jun 2023, 9:36 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jun 2023, 9:36 am

43 years ago I could not dream, I’d be a Democrat today.

Now some days I wonder how, I ever was a Republican, but I was and an ardent one.

The worst thing Reagan ever did, was declare catsup was a vegetable.

But the reason for such a ridiculous thing was to allow children to have a cheeseburger with their school lunches.  None of us Republicans then actually argued, that catsup was in fact a vegetable.

Today’s Republican Party cannot tell the truth from a lie, or right from wrong, and doesn’t care to try.

To believe for one second Obama was not born exactly where his birth certificate said he was is the original sin of the MAGA Republicans.

Often, truth is elusive.

But often truth means admitting you are wrong.

I’m wrong several times a day, but never on purpose.

AGAIN... DEMOCRATS ARE LIARS

FJB » 26 Jun 2023, 10:54 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jun 2023, 10:54 am

AGAIN... DEMOCRATS ARE LIARS

The Democrats didn’t claim Ted Cruz was born anyplace but Canada, to an American mother.

That makes Cruz a natural born citizen.

Not one rational soul ever believed Obama was born in Kenya. None. Zero.  It is a tooth fairy and Easter Bunny grade lie. Yet not long ago 90% of Republicans doubted Obama was born an American citizen.

I still agree with many conservative policy positions.

But I won’t vote for a grown up without guts enough to renounce the fable of the Kenyan birth.

If a grown up can swallow that whopper whole, they have no limit to the lies they’ll believe.

 
 

Bruce » 26 Jun 2023, 11:01 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jun 2023, 11:01 am

The Democrats didn’t claim Ted Cruz was born anyplace but Canada, to an American mother.

That makes Cruz a natural born citizen.

Not one rational soul ever believed Obama was born in Kenya. None. Zero.  It is a tooth fairy and Easter Bunny grade lie. Yet not long ago 90% of Republicans doubted Obama was born an American citizen.

I still agree with many conservative policy positions.

But I won’t vote for a grown up without guts enough to renounce the fable of the Kenyan birth.

If a grown up can swallow that whopper whole, they have no limit to the lies they’ll believe.

It's like an atheist believing female souls are being misfiled into male bodies. 

No adult could live with the internal inconsistencies. 
 

Bruce » 26 Jun 2023, 11:01 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jun 2023, 11:01 am

The Democrats didn’t claim Ted Cruz was born anyplace but Canada, to an American mother.

That makes Cruz a natural born citizen.

Not one rational soul ever believed Obama was born in Kenya. None. Zero.  It is a tooth fairy and Easter Bunny grade lie. Yet not long ago 90% of Republicans doubted Obama was born an American citizen.

I still agree with many conservative policy positions.

But I won’t vote for a grown up without guts enough to renounce the fable of the Kenyan birth.

If a grown up can swallow that whopper whole, they have no limit to the lies they’ll believe.

You know democrats are liars....

golfboy » 24 Jun 2023, 10:05 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2023, 10:05 pm

Who Prosecutes a Corrupt Attorney General?

A firing squad.

Tell ya exactly how it'll happen:





Quickly.

Cannonpointer » 26 Jun 2023, 12:19 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jun 2023, 12:19 pm

It's like an atheist believing female souls are being misfiled into male bodies. 

No adult could live with the internal inconsistencies.

I served communion in church as a boy to a “lady” who had a dark beard and masculine voice and physique born what my folks called then a hermorphodite.

She may yet be alive.

She had no say in how she was born, no more than I did.  

Maybe one per cent of all the human beings ever born were transgender.

Another reason I can’t imagine ever being a Republican again is having to hate, despise and scorn those unfortunate souls.

I believe in an eternal fire in hell is reserved for those who mock the least of these, our brethren.

And I won’t risk it, myself.


 

Bruce » 26 Jun 2023, 12:55 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jun 2023, 12:55 pm

I served communion in church as a boy to a “lady” who had a dark beard and masculine voice and physique born what my folks called then a hermorphodite.

She may yet be alive.

She had no say in how she was born, no more than I did.  

Maybe one per cent of all the human beings ever born were transgender.

Another reason I can’t imagine ever being a Republican again is having to hate, despise and scorn those unfortunate souls.

I believe in an eternal fire in hell is reserved for those who mock the least of these, our brethren.

And I won’t risk it, myself.

Satan is waiting for liberal shills like you

Bruce » 26 Jun 2023, 9:36 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jun 2023, 9:36 am

Today’s Republican Party cannot tell the truth from a lie, or right from wrong, and doesn’t care to try.

To believe for one second Obama was not born exactly where his birth certificate said he was is the original sin of the MAGA Republicans.


 

That's quite a case of projection you've got going on there. 
When is a liberal such as yourself going to stand up and say that ignoring the Biden corruption is wrong?
How about the mass illegal immigration Biden is not only allowing, but encouraging? 
How about the debt he is incurring for no damn reason, at all?

It's not the Republican party turning a blind eye from the truth. 

And as for Obama being born in Kenya?   Do you think that when he himself claimed to be born in Kenya to gain preferential admissions and probably tuition at Columbia, that it only fuels the speculation? 
And why did he tell his literary agent that he was born in Kenya?Acton & Dystel (now Dystel & Goderich) claimed Kenya was Obama’s birthplace from as early as June 27, 1998 up until between April 3, 2007 to April 21, 2007.The record had been updated between these two time periods, but his birthplace was never changed to Hawaii until 2007 - when it suddenly was changed. 

 

Bruce » 26 Jun 2023, 12:55 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jun 2023, 12:55 pm

Maybe one per cent of all the human beings ever born were transgender.
 

And suddenly, the rate of children identifying as transgender is now over 5%.
Is it something in the water, or just a bunch of misfits looking for access to the "in crowd"?

I'm sure you agree that encouraging kids, hell CHILDREN to become transgender and feeding them "puberty blockers" and engaging in genital mutilation is "wrong".    Right?
 

Bruce » 26 Jun 2023, 11:01 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jun 2023, 11:01 am

The Democrats didn’t claim Ted Cruz was born anyplace but Canada, to an American mother.

No, they actually DID say he wasn't a U.S. citizen.
Ted Cruz Isn't a 'Natural Born' Citizen - U.S. News & World Report
The debate over whether Ted Cruz is eligible to be president ... - Vox
Ted Cruz is not eligible to be president - The Washington Post

 
 
 

Bruce » 26 Jun 2023, 7:50 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jun 2023, 7:50 am

The cornerstone of American civilization is our President, and everyone  else, is not above the law.

And the key to that is an independent Justice Department.

When Nixon fired Archibald Cox I was 15 years old.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Massacre

That might have ended our long experiment in self government except for enough Republican Senators determined to put the constitution ahead of party and give Nixon the choice of resignation or certain impeachment.

I was opposed to the prosecution of Trump because Republicans today are too weak willed, afraid of Trump, and believe the end justifies the means. 

There was no Fox News in 1973.  

The entire nation still supported public education, without question.

Today the people who believe in the rule of law are engaged in a long twilight struggle against a radical right wing element of the population that won’t send their kids to school, won’t get vaccinated, don’t believe in the least sacrifice for democracy, and openly advocate civil war.

And those ultra conservatives are our friends, neighbors, and fellow citizens.

They would support Trump regardless of anything he did.

Your first 2 sentences are directly contradictory. 
Either the AG is above the law, as Garland is operating now, or he is "not above the law". 
Which is it?

Comparing Nixon firing Cox because Cox was investigating the President, is nothing like Garland openly committing crimes and nothing happening to him.



 

Z09 » 25 Jun 2023, 5:47 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 5:47 pm

What bothers this voter is that both Biden and Hillary had classified documents......

......And Trump gets indicted...

you forgot pence.

jerrab » 26 Jun 2023, 1:49 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jun 2023, 1:49 pm

you forgot pence.

Nope, Pence should be prosecuted too. 
But he won't because he opposed Trump and got his "get out of jail free" card. 
 

jerrab » 26 Jun 2023, 1:49 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jun 2023, 1:49 pm

you forgot pence.

and his pet fly.  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOWwH15YLd8