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Z09 » 25 Jun 2023, 5:47 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2023, 5:47 pm

What bothers this voter is that both Biden and Hillary had classified documents......

......And Trump gets indicted...

----is okay with trump stealing 4 years of government documents and selling secrets to the highest bidder.-------

Bruce » 26 Jun 2023, 12:55 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jun 2023, 12:55 pm

I served communion in church as a boy to a “lady” who had a dark beard and masculine voice and physique born what my folks called then a hermorphodite.

She may yet be alive.

She had no say in how she was born, no more than I did.  

Maybe one per cent of all the human beings ever born were transgender.

Another reason I can’t imagine ever being a Republican again is having to hate, despise and scorn those unfortunate souls.

I believe in an eternal fire in hell is reserved for those who mock the least of these, our brethren.

And I won’t risk it, myself.

Your emotional use of an outlier to virtue signal certainly gives you skreet cred as a democ rat, there, Sniffles. 

If you can dry up long enough, tell us why that anecdote should make us comfortable with cocks and balls in our daughters' public showers and in their sporting arenas.

Take your time - breathe. 
 
 
 

FJB » 26 Jun 2023, 1:29 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jun 2023, 1:29 pm

Satan is waiting for liberal shills like you

By the time I was eight  years old, I’d attended about a thousand church services on Sunday morning, Sunday evening, and Wednesday evening, and had to take an hour long examination by the elders to have the privilege of being baptized and a full fledged church member.  

I was a deacon at age ten and made an elder at fifteen.

The story of Christ was orally given by the first Christians to learned Greeks who wrote in down in Koine Greek.  Three centuries later those were translated into Latin, and over a thousand later into English.

What Christ said about salvation and eternal life was this:
Matthew 25:19-42But when the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory. Before him all the nations will be gathered, and he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will tell those on his right hand, 'Come, blessed of my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry, and you gave me food to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me drink. I was a stranger, and you took me in. I was naked, and you clothed me. I was sick, and you visited me. I was in prison, and you came to me.'
 Then the righteous will answer him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry, and feed you; or thirsty, and give you a drink? When did we see you as a stranger, and take you in; or naked, and clothe you? When did we see you sick, or in prison, and come to you?'The King will answer them, 'Most certainly I tell you, because you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.' 

And if you read further, it’s not good to act badly towards the stranger, the poor, or the needy.

Those that don’t do unto the least of these, shall burn in hell.

I cannot prove any, of the Christ story is true although I have sure and  certain faith it is, all true.

If I’m right, and it’s true, then there’s not a chance death will find me any part of all the sheer wickedness and hatred and selfishness that’s MAGA.

There just might actually be, a heaven and hell.

 
 

Bruce » 26 Jun 2023, 2:52 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jun 2023, 2:52 pm

By the time I was eight  years old, I’d attended about a thousand church services on Sunday morning, Sunday evening, and Wednesday evening, and had to take an hour long examination by the elders to have the privilege of being baptized and a full fledged church member.  

I was a deacon at age ten and made an elder at fifteen.

The story of Christ was orally given by the first Christians to learned Greeks who wrote in down in Koine Greek.  Three centuries later those were translated into Latin, and over a thousand later into English.

What Christ said about salvation and eternal life was this:
Matthew 25:19-42But when the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory. Before him all the nations will be gathered, and he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will tell those on his right hand, 'Come, blessed of my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry, and you gave me food to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me drink. I was a stranger, and you took me in. I was naked, and you clothed me. I was sick, and you visited me. I was in prison, and you came to me.'
 Then the righteous will answer him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry, and feed you; or thirsty, and give you a drink? When did we see you as a stranger, and take you in; or naked, and clothe you? When did we see you sick, or in prison, and come to you?'The King will answer them, 'Most certainly I tell you, because you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.' 

And if you read further, it’s not good to act badly towards the stranger, the poor, or the needy.

Those that don’t do unto the least of these, shall burn in hell.

I cannot prove any, of the Christ story is true although I have sure and  certain faith it is, all true.

If I’m right, and it’s true, then there’s not a chance death will find me any part of all the sheer wickedness and hatred and selfishness that’s MAGA.

There just might actually be, a heaven and hell.

**** YOU HATER

Cannonpointer » 26 Jun 2023, 2:02 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jun 2023, 2:02 pm

Your emotional use of an outlier to virtue signal certainly gives you skreet cred as a demc rat, there, Sniffles. 

If you can dry up long enough, tell us why that anecdote should make us comfortable with cocks and balls in our daughters' public showers and in their sporting arenas.

Take your time - breathe.

My requirements for allowing transgender boys into girl’s restrooms would rest on far more than some neurotic or liberal parents claiming their little boy was really a girl.

True transgendered persons are less than one per cent of all populations and the MAGA crowd doesn’t care if little girls want to use the boy’s rest room.

And I have zero qualms about reserving girls sports for girls born girls.

I would not allow sex reassignment surgery (except for blatantly obvious cases like the “lady” I attended church with) until at least age 25.

And I’d as soon have drag queens have story hour with children as I would whores from the local brothel or drunks from the local beer joint. Children need protected from such things.  Fire a few “woke” teachers and the rest will fall in line.

When I was a child the threat to America was radical left wing permissiveness.  It still is a threat, although dwarfed by tens of millions of right wing reactionaries that would eliminate all boundaries of church and state, and plunge us into a century or more of the darkness of the radical right if only they could.

They won’t send their kids to school. They won’t get vaccinated.  They fall prey to every paranoid fantasy they see on the internet or conservative media.

Unless the decent people win, then any minority group will face a loss of civil rights unprecedented in our history.












 

FJB » 26 Jun 2023, 3:00 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jun 2023, 3:00 pm

**** YOU HATER

What’s so puzzling about MAGA is none of it’s disciples seem to have any  idea that Christians exist that have spent a lifetime reading, debating, and studying the gospels who take literally and to heart what Christ preached from the Mount of Olives.

For example, part of the Sermon on the Mount is this passage from Matthew 5:21-22 “

”You’re familiar with the command to the ancients, ‘Do not murder.’ I’m telling you that anyone who is so much as angry with a brother or sister is guilty of murder. Carelessly call a brother ‘idiot!’ and you just might find yourself hauled into court. Thoughtlessly yell ‘stupid!’ at a sister and you are on the brink of hellfire. The simple moral fact is that words kill.

—-

The King James Version reads:

 21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

—-

Will Christ condemn the screaming swarms at Trump rallies that chant hateful slogans and spew out venom?

I think Christ would condemn me, because I was raised in church and I’ve known better since childhood.

Most of the MAGA cult is ignorance, not deliberate violation of what Christ preached.

Our Master also said to judge not, lest we be judged.

Most of the Trump supporters I know were raised up well, and there’s some kind of unseen poison in what they’ve gotten caught up with, they’d never have drank if they had deliberated beforehand.

 
 

Bruce » 26 Jun 2023, 3:18 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jun 2023, 3:18 pm

My requirements for allowing transgender boys into girl’s restrooms would rest on far more than some neurotic or liberal parents claiming their little boy was really a girl.

True transgendered persons are less than one per cent of all populations and the MAGA crowd doesn’t care if little girls want to use the boy’s rest room.

And I have zero qualms about reserving girls sports for girls born girls.

I would not allow sex reassignment surgery (except for blatantly obvious cases like the “lady” I attended church with) until at least age 25.

And I’d as soon have drag queens have story hour with children as I would whores from the local brothel or drunks from the local beer joint. Children need protected from such things.  Fire a few “woke” teachers and the rest will fall in line.

When I was a child the threat to America was radical left wing permissiveness.  It still is a threat, although dwarfed by tens of millions of right wing reactionaries that would eliminate all boundaries of church and state, and plunge us into a century or more of the darkness of the radical right if only they could.

They won’t send their kids to school. They won’t get vaccinated.  They fall prey to every paranoid fantasy they see on the internet or conservative media.

Unless the decent people win, then any minority group will face a loss of civil rights unprecedented in our history.

transgender ideology is destroying the democrat party. not all democrats are for it and against boys on girls teams and against children changing their gender, children should not be wondering what gender they really are, biden has taken it upon himself to inflict his views upon the country,  pence said he would go for a 15 week ban on abortion, truthfully some democrats would go for that, as opposed to  the florida governor's ban at 6 weeks, pence would actually have a better chance at winning than trump as some democrats sick of all the transgender bs would vote for pence. democrats would never vote for trump and trump would never win a general election,

Bruce » 26 Jun 2023, 3:40 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jun 2023, 3:40 pm

What’s so puzzling about MAGA is none of it’s disciples seem to have any  idea that Christians exist that have spent a lifetime reading, debating, and studying the gospels who take literally and to heart what Christ preached from the Mount of Olives.

For example, part of the Sermon on the Mount is this passage from Matthew 5:21-22 “

”You’re familiar with the command to the ancients, ‘Do not murder.’ I’m telling you that anyone who is so much as angry with a brother or sister is guilty of murder. Carelessly call a brother ‘idiot!’ and you just might find yourself hauled into court. Thoughtlessly yell ‘stupid!’ at a sister and you are on the brink of hellfire. The simple moral fact is that words kill.

—-

The King James Version reads:

 21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

—-

Will Christ condemn the screaming swarms at Trump rallies that chant hateful slogans and spew out venom?

I think Christ would condemn me, because I was raised in church and I’ve known better since childhood.

Most of the MAGA cult is ignorance, not deliberate violation of what Christ preached.

Our Master also said to judge not, lest we be judged.

Most of the Trump supporters I know were raised up well, and there’s some kind of unseen poison in what they’ve gotten caught up with, they’d never have drank if they had deliberated beforehand.

why are there so many trans teens  these days? it is one thing to condemn transgenders but another thing to promote it. to have fake scientist confuse children and telll them that just because they have a male body does not mean they are really male. using Jesus to sway people into changing their gender is pretty low.

Z09 » 26 Jun 2023, 3:43 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jun 2023, 3:43 pm

Bruce....

I'm one of those MAGA republicans I guess...

I don't think my 14 year old daughter should have a transgender walk into her school shower stall...
And I enjoyed some type of border security under Trump...
And I enjoyed less cost for energy and groceries...
I really don't think illegals should get free health care and voting rights either....

And if it's really YOUR body why did hard working American citizens get FIRED for not being vaccinated....
....But at the same time illegals didn't have too when they crossed the border and was released....?

When I was 14 I can easily imagine some smart *** pretending to be a boy trapped in a girl’s body so he could shower with the girls.

What’s changed in fifty years, is we knew Coach would beat our asses for that.  It wasn’t morality, but fear that kept us in line.

 As for immigrants, there’s 11 million of them here without papers, it’s a regrettable situation, and short of becoming the worst tyranny since the Third Reich and rounding them all up, what do you do?

All their children are born citizens.  And if you don’t like that, change the 14th amendment.

We live in a nation so wonderful we have to build walls to keep other people out.

What should bother me and doesn’t, is Christ was crystal clear about taking in the stranger, feeding the hungry, healing the sick, and taking care of the needy.

I pay my taxes to support programs that serve those ends, and give what I can, but otherwise don’t lay awake wondering if hell yaws before me for not doing more.

At least I’m on the side of the brighter angels of human nature, and not against them.
 

Bruce » 26 Jun 2023, 5:04 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jun 2023, 5:04 pm

When I was 14 I can easily imagine some smart *** pretending to be a boy trapped in a girl’s body so he could shower with the girls.

What’s changed in fifty years, is we knew Coach would beat our asses for that.  It wasn’t morality, but fear that kept us in line.

 As for immigrants, there’s 11 million of them here without papers, it’s a regrettable situation, and short of becoming the worst tyranny since the Third Reich and rounding them all up, what do you do?

All their children are born citizens.  And if you don’t like that, change the 14th amendment.

We live in a nation so wonderful we have to build walls to keep other people out.

What should bother me and doesn’t, is Christ was crystal clear about taking in the stranger, feeding the hungry, healing the sick, and taking care of the needy.

I pay my taxes to support programs that serve those ends, and give what I can, but otherwise don’t lay awake wondering if hell yaws before me for not doing more.

At least I’m on the side of the brighter angels of human nature, and not against them.

There are closer to 40 million illegals in America. 
Over 6 million have entered under Joe Biden.  Is that wrong?  Weird you don't say.

And the 14th Amendment was never meant for people entering our country illegally, and dropping an anchor. 
It was intended to make the children of slaves, citizens. 

Christ wasn't talking about nations taking people in and caring for them.  He was talking about personal responsibility.
How many illegals have you taken in, and taken care of?


 

jerrab » 26 Jun 2023, 4:20 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jun 2023, 4:20 pm

why are there so many trans teens  these days? it is one thing to condemn transgenders but another thing to promote it. to have fake scientist confuse children and telll them that just because they have a male body does not mean they are really male. using Jesus to sway people into changing their gender is pretty low.

Wow.  It's been a long time since you've said something so sensible.  
Thank you.
 

Sumela » 24 Jun 2023, 10:07 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2023, 10:07 pm

WASH DC is a mafia........just accept it

No,. it became corrupted psychologically, it can be corrected same way. Took over a century to get this bad, might take 4 generations changing their mind to fix it.

Difference being there are 5 generation gaps alive now. Only takes one rotation of the planet in real time. But every soul saving humanity thinks by relative time logistics, not evolving in series parallel displacement.

Bruce » 26 Jun 2023, 3:18 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jun 2023, 3:18 pm

True transgendered persons are less than one per cent of all populations and the MAGA crowd doesn’t care if little girls want to use the boy’s rest room.

And I have zero qualms about reserving girls sports for girls born girls.

I would not allow sex reassignment surgery (except for blatantly obvious cases like the “lady” I attended church with) until at least age 25.

And I’d as soon have drag queens have story hour with children as I would whores from the local brothel or drunks from the local beer joint. Children need protected from such things.  Fire a few “woke” teachers and the rest will fall in line.

 

Well, look at you.  MAGA. 

 

Bruce » 26 Jun 2023, 3:40 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jun 2023, 3:40 pm

What’s so puzzling about MAGA is none of it’s disciples seem to have any  idea that Christians exist that have spent a lifetime reading, debating, and studying the gospels who take literally and to heart what Christ preached from the Mount of Olives.

For example, part of the Sermon on the Mount is this passage from Matthew 5:21-22 “

”You’re familiar with the command to the ancients, ‘Do not murder.’ I’m telling you that anyone who is so much as angry with a brother or sister is guilty of murder. Carelessly call a brother ‘idiot!’ and you just might find yourself hauled into court. Thoughtlessly yell ‘stupid!’ at a sister and you are on the brink of hellfire. The simple moral fact is that words kill.

—-

The King James Version reads:

 21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

—-

Will Christ condemn the screaming swarms at Trump rallies that chant hateful slogans and spew out venom?

I think Christ would condemn me, because I was raised in church and I’ve known better since childhood.

Most of the MAGA cult is ignorance, not deliberate violation of what Christ preached.

Our Master also said to judge not, lest we be judged.

Most of the Trump supporters I know were raised up well, and there’s some kind of unseen poison in what they’ve gotten caught up with, they’d never have drank if they had deliberated beforehand.

Your **** worthless opinion shilly

golfboy » 26 Jun 2023, 1:30 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jun 2023, 1:30 pm

That's quite a case of projection you've got going on there. 
When is a liberal such as yourself going to stand up and say that ignoring the Biden corruption is wrong?
How about the mass illegal immigration Biden is not only allowing, but encouraging? 
How about the debt he is incurring for no damn reason, at all?

It's not the Republican party turning a blind eye from the truth. 

And as for Obama being born in Kenya?   Do you think that when he himself claimed to be born in Kenya to gain preferential admissions and probably tuition at Columbia, that it only fuels the speculation? 
And why did he tell his literary agent that he was born in Kenya?Acton & Dystel (now Dystel & Goderich) claimed Kenya was Obama’s birthplace from as early as June 27, 1998 up until between April 3, 2007 to April 21, 2007.The record had been updated between these two time periods, but his birthplace was never changed to Hawaii until 2007 - when it suddenly was changed.

One hallmark of the modern radical right wing MAGA true believer is utter inability to ever; under any circumstances, admit they are being played as a sucker and a fool by intelligent and evil propagandists who punch their buttons.

Like Eichmann in Jerusalem representing the banality of evil, the MAGA disciple is a mundane, everyday, ordinary citizen who is quite certain his enemies are plotting and scheming and out to destroy his nation, although the proof is always elusive, beyond his grasp.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/promotional-booklet/

Obama was born in Hawaii.

In only a few years historians will probably deny anybody could have believed anything else.  Not only was there his birth certificate, there were two Honolulu newspapers announcing his birth, and most of his classmates in high school are still living.

And yes it matters.

Being mistaken is forgivable.

But to be a damned fool on purpose, when anyone should know better, is the best indicator of future error.

Nobody would have even dreamt up such a fairy tale if both his parents had been white.

golfboy » 24 Jun 2023, 10:05 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2023, 10:05 pm

Merrick Garland has repeatedly lied under oath to Congress, and to the American people. 
Contrary to Mr Garland's testimony, the District Attorney investigating Hunter Biden was twice told he could not prosecute Hunter, or investigate anything implicating Joe Biden. 

Garland is guilty of obstruction of justice.

Vigilantes.  That is if they have the testicular fortitude and the wherewithal.
 

Bruce » 26 Jun 2023, 2:52 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jun 2023, 2:52 pm

By the time I was eight  years old, I’d attended about a thousand church services on Sunday morning, Sunday evening, and Wednesday evening, and had to take an hour long examination by the elders to have the privilege of being baptized and a full fledged church member.  

I was a deacon at age ten and made an elder at fifteen.

The story of Christ was orally given by the first Christians to learned Greeks who wrote in down in Koine Greek.  Three centuries later those were translated into Latin, and over a thousand later into English.

What Christ said about salvation and eternal life was this:
Matthew 25:19-42But when the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory. Before him all the nations will be gathered, and he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will tell those on his right hand, 'Come, blessed of my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry, and you gave me food to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me drink. I was a stranger, and you took me in. I was naked, and you clothed me. I was sick, and you visited me. I was in prison, and you came to me.'
 Then the righteous will answer him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry, and feed you; or thirsty, and give you a drink? When did we see you as a stranger, and take you in; or naked, and clothe you? When did we see you sick, or in prison, and come to you?'The King will answer them, 'Most certainly I tell you, because you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.' 

And if you read further, it’s not good to act badly towards the stranger, the poor, or the needy.

Those that don’t do unto the least of these, shall burn in hell.

I cannot prove any, of the Christ story is true although I have sure and  certain faith it is, all true.

If I’m right, and it’s true, then there’s not a chance death will find me any part of all the sheer wickedness and hatred and selfishness that’s MAGA.

There just might actually be, a heaven and hell.

Sir,
the Dems are fighting for the Satan Team.
The GOP are fighting for the "Light of Jesus Christ".

Who are you ?
Do you wish to debate me ?           I am a fair hand.             
@Z09  
https://youtu.be/4fWyzwo1xg0

Z09 » 26 Jun 2023, 6:12 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jun 2023, 6:12 pm

So Bruce....
Can you explain to us why Biden FIRED American workers for NOT being vaccinated and at the same time let in millions that weren't vaccinated...??

DAMMIT ! The BITCH is back!
What about??????
 

Z09 » 26 Jun 2023, 6:09 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jun 2023, 6:09 pm

Really?

Can you show us who bought what?

really and you can attest to the fact that trump did not sell those government documents he stole from the US government??


 

Bruce » 26 Jun 2023, 6:00 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jun 2023, 6:00 pm

One hallmark of the modern radical right wing MAGA true believer is utter inability to ever; under any circumstances, admit they are being played as a sucker and a fool by intelligent and evil propagandists who punch their buttons.

Like Eichmann in Jerusalem representing the banality of evil, the MAGA disciple is a mundane, everyday, ordinary citizen who is quite certain his enemies are plotting and scheming and out to destroy his nation, although the proof is always elusive, beyond his grasp.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/promotional-booklet/

Obama was born in Hawaii.

In only a few years historians will probably deny anybody could have believed anything else.  Not only was there his birth certificate, there were two Honolulu newspapers announcing his birth, and most of his classmates in high school are still living.

And yes it matters.

Being mistaken is forgivable.

But to be a damned fool on purpose, when anyone should know better, is the best indicator of future error.

Nobody would have even dreamt up such a fairy tale if both his parents had been white.

I can't take anyone seriously that uses Snopes as a source.  Those idiots said the Titanic Sub was using Elon Musk's satellite network for communications. 

When Obama was born, anyone could get a "birth certificate" identical to the one Hawaii showed the world, by simply affirming he was born there.   Weird that Obama didn't have a copy of that certificate, don't you think?  I have mine, and I bet you have yours... but not Barry.

 Obama fed the narrative that he was born in Kenya, until it was no longer convenient. 
If you have issues with people calling that out, that's your problem, not mine.