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Gee, that's funny. I've NEVER heard of a COAL OR NATURAL GAS fired power plant being "totally destroyed" by HAIL.

Imagine that....


Multimillion dollar solar project gets reduced to a heap of toxic rubble by one single hail storm. 

The Scottsbluff, Nebraska 5.2 MW Community Solar project was part of the NPPD’s Sunwise program that consisted of an array has over 14,000 solar panels. It’s reported that it had been put into operation in 2019.

 Surely the project had been ceremoniously put into operation, with dignitaries and proponents proclaiming it would reliably deliver cheap and clean energy, reduce the state’s carbon footprint and contribute to a bright and climate-friendly future.Now it has been just recently reported that the multimillion dollar solar energy park was literally reduced to a heap of rubble as hail literally pummeled it to a pulp in just a matter of minutes days ago.

https://twitter.com/WxWyDaryl/status/16 ... ilstorm%2F

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv_nS5rXreA
 Dreams vs reality

 “This project will help the city achieve its goal to reduce our carbon footprint and stabilize city costs for the next 25 years,” said Nathan D. Johnson, City Manager, City of Scottsbluff.  “Through projects like this, we hope to offer an affordable ‘green’ option to our residents, both residential and commercial, to reap the benefits as well.”

 That was the dream. A couple of days ago we witnessed the reality.

 Now residents will surely have to rely on good old, reliable fossil fuel power to keep the electricity flowing.

 And how long will it take to clean up the toxic mess left behind?
 

Wonder WHO will pay for this MASSIVE TOXIC WASTE DUMP that has been created??

No doubt that TAXPAYERS will be on the hook for MILLIONS AND MILLIONS in DISASTER EFFORTS!!

That IS FUNNY! i saw it yesterday.

         

Is the material recyclable or does it go into a landfill?

Beekeeper » 30 Jun 2023, 8:53 am » wrote: ↑

30 Jun 2023, 8:53 am

Gee, that's funny. I've NEVER heard of a COAL OR NATURAL GAS fired power plant being "totally destroyed" by HAIL.

Imagine that....

Multimillion dollar solar project gets reduced to a heap of toxic rubble by one single hail storm. 

The Scottsbluff, Nebraska 5.2 MW Community Solar project was part of the NPPD’s Sunwise program that consisted of an array has over 14,000 solar panels. It’s reported that it had been put into operation in 2019.

 Surely the project had been ceremoniously put into operation, with dignitaries and proponents proclaiming it would reliably deliver cheap and clean energy, reduce the state’s carbon footprint and contribute to a bright and climate-friendly future.Now it has been just recently reported that the multimillion dollar solar energy park was literally reduced to a heap of rubble as hail literally pummeled it to a pulp in just a matter of minutes days ago.

https://twitter.com/WxWyDaryl/status/16 ... ilstorm%2F

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv_nS5rXreA
 Dreams vs reality

 “This project will help the city achieve its goal to reduce our carbon footprint and stabilize city costs for the next 25 years,” said Nathan D. Johnson, City Manager, City of Scottsbluff.  “Through projects like this, we hope to offer an affordable ‘green’ option to our residents, both residential and commercial, to reap the benefits as well.”

 That was the dream. A couple of days ago we witnessed the reality.

 Now residents will surely have to rely on good old, reliable fossil fuel power to keep the electricity flowing.

 And how long will it take to clean up the toxic mess left behind?

Coal mines often have explosions and catch fire. There is one one in PA that has been burning underground for forty years.  And Oil refineries BLOW UP as well. And after they blow up, they are on fire and the fire must be extinguished.

I am pretty sure repairing a solar array will take less time and pollute less than a that huge refinery explosion they had near Houston a years or so ago.

There is very little that humans can create that cannot be destroyed by weather, hurricanes, tornadoes, sunamis, volcanoes and earthquakes. 

80% of American homes have shingled roofs a hailstorm will batter and destroy.

Metal roofs are virtually hail proof, but it’s cheaper to insure and replace the shingled roofs.

For a price, solar panels could be made hail proof.

It’s cheaper to insure and replace the ones in service.

https://gdiinsurance.com/blog/insuring- ... farms/amp/

Beekeeper » 30 Jun 2023, 8:54 am » wrote: ↑

30 Jun 2023, 8:54 am

Wonder WHO will pay for this MASSIVE TOXIC WASTE DUMP that has been created??

No doubt that TAXPAYERS will be on the hook for MILLIONS AND MILLIONS in DISASTER EFFORTS!!

Build either a natural gas, coal, nuke power plant there. Land won't be good for anything else.

Xavier_Onassis » 30 Jun 2023, 9:00 am » wrote: ↑

30 Jun 2023, 9:00 am

Coal mines often have explosions and catch fire. There is one one in PA that has been burning underground for forty years.  And Oil refineries BLOW UP as well. And after they blow up, they are on fire and the fire must be extinguished.

I am pretty sure repairing a solar array will take less time and pollute less than a that huge refinery explosion they had near Houston a years or so ago.

There is very little that humans can create that cannot be destroyed by weather, hurricanes, tornadoes, sunamis, volcanoes and earthquakes.

Coal mines of TODAY RARELY have explosions or fires, dipweed. And that PA fire started in 1962 in Centralia, PA, which was LONG BEFORE the MSHA Act was passed and the STRICT RULES were created to prevent this from happening ever again, including explosions, etc.

And refineries can be rebuilt and done so WITHOUT all the GOVERNMENT **** you demand. It's ONLY when you put massive regulations and red tape obstacles in the way, you get delays. Add to that, refineries today have so much safely built in to them, a fire or explosion shuts it down before little in any impact on the environment happens.

BTW, the MASSIVE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT FROM ONE DESTROYED SOLAR PANEL IS EQUIVALENT TO A DECADES OF WASTE FROM A COAL FIRED POWER PLANT. They have NO CLUE or FACILITIES to "recycle' these DESTROYED PANELS so they, and their HAZARDOUS WASTE go to the landfill to POLLUTE THE WATER and destroy the lives of children near them. Of which you CHEER ON AND DEMAND MORE OF being the good little LEFT WING POS you are, PROFESSOR PEDO!!

Nostradamus'omh » 30 Jun 2023, 9:19 am » wrote: ↑

30 Jun 2023, 9:19 am

Build either a natural gas, coal, nuke power plant there. Land won't be good for anything else.

The insurance carrier will hire a contractor to clean that up and replace all those panels.

The glass in a solar panel would be the second least expensive part after the frame.  This undoubtedly has happened many times before.  Likely a solar panel manufacturer can re glass the panels.

Why are the “wokesters” building five million dollar solar farms, anyway?

They make money, is why.
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Since most utility solar farms have a 5 MW size (about 20 acres), you will likely make around $156,569 profit from your farm.Jun 21, 2023

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Where there’s enough wind, new build wind farms are more profitable and produce power at 2 cents a kilowatt.

But a solar farm can be built about anywhere there’s 20 acres.  They produce 6 cents an hour electricity.

Why not coal?

Coal is more expensive

—All of the nation’s coal-fired power plants but one are less cost-effective to operate than constructing new solar or wind facilities in the United States, according to a study published Monday by the firm Energy Innovation.Analysts compared operating costs at the 210 coal plants in the continental U.S. in 2021 to the estimated costs of developing new solar and wind, both within about 28 miles of the plants and within the broader region.
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I grew up in love with coal miners and I’ll miss coal, but few others will.

Songs about wind farms and solar farms, are sure to be pretty lame.

https://youtu.be/FS8zCFN1h1g
 

Beekeeper » 30 Jun 2023, 9:20 am » wrote: ↑

30 Jun 2023, 9:20 am

Coal mines of TODAY RARELY have explosions or fires, dipweed. And that PA fire started in 1962 in Centralia, PA, which was LONG BEFORE the MSHA Act was passed and the STRICT RULES were created to prevent this from happening ever again, including explosions, etc.

And refineries can be rebuilt and done so WITHOUT all the GOVERNMENT **** you demand. It's ONLY when you put massive regulations and red tape obstacles in the way, you get delays. Add to that, refineries today have so much safely built in to them, a fire or explosion shuts it down before little in any impact on the environment happens.

BTW, the MASSIVE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT FROM ONE DESTROYED SOLAR PANEL IS EQUIVALENT TO A DECADES OF WASTE FROM A COAL FIRED POWER PLANT. They have NO CLUE or FACILITIES to "recycle' these DESTROYED PANELS so they, and their HAZARDOUS WASTE go to the landfill to POLLUTE THE WATER and destroy the lives of children near them. Of which you CHEER ON AND DEMAND MORE OF being the good little LEFT WING POS you are, PROFESSOR PEDO!!

But solar "farms" are labeled as such because they are good for nature. Bees especially.
I enjoy watching the common sight of bees and panels coexisting. Many videos exist.

Maybe I'm thinking of flowers... They're both so beautiful I mix them up sometimes.

Bruce » 30 Jun 2023, 9:41 am » wrote: ↑

30 Jun 2023, 9:41 am

The insurance carrier will hire a contractor to clean that up and replace all those panels.

The glass in a solar panel would be the second least expensive part after the frame.  This undoubtedly has happened many times before.  Likely a solar panel manufacturer can re glass the panels.

Why are the “wokesters” building five million dollar solar farms, anyway?

They make money, is why.
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Since most utility solar farms have a 5 MW size (about 20 acres), you will likely make around $156,569 profit from your farm.Jun 21, 2023

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Where there’s enough wind, new build wind farms are more profitable and produce power at 2 cents a kilowatt.

But a solar farm can be built about anywhere there’s 20 acres.  They produce 6 cents an hour electricity.

Why not coal?

Coal is more expensive

—All of the nation’s coal-fired power plants but one are less cost-effective to operate than constructing new solar or wind facilities in the United States, according to a study published Monday by the firm Energy Innovation.Analysts compared operating costs at the 210 coal plants in the continental U.S. in 2021 to the estimated costs of developing new solar and wind, both within about 28 miles of the plants and within the broader region.
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I grew up in love with coal miners and I’ll miss coal, but few others will.

Songs about wind farms and solar farms, are sure to be pretty lame.

https://youtu.be/FS8zCFN1h1g
 

they cost more than they return on investment. It is a hoax covered up by statistical averages using less than the whole process costs to place and maintain constantly.

Bruce » 30 Jun 2023, 9:41 am » wrote: ↑

30 Jun 2023, 9:41 am

The insurance carrier will hire a contractor to clean that up and replace all those panels.

The glass in a solar panel would be the second least expensive part after the frame.  This undoubtedly has happened many times before.  Likely a solar panel manufacturer can re glass the panels.

Why are the “wokesters” building five million dollar solar farms, anyway?

They make money, is why.
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Since most utility solar farms have a 5 MW size (about 20 acres), you will likely make around $156,569 profit from your farm.Jun 21, 2023

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Where there’s enough wind, new build wind farms are more profitable and produce power at 2 cents a kilowatt.

But a solar farm can be built about anywhere there’s 20 acres.  They produce 6 cents an hour electricity.

Why not coal?

Coal is more expensive

—All of the nation’s coal-fired power plants but one are less cost-effective to operate than constructing new solar or wind facilities in the United States, according to a study published Monday by the firm Energy Innovation.Analysts compared operating costs at the 210 coal plants in the continental U.S. in 2021 to the estimated costs of developing new solar and wind, both within about 28 miles of the plants and within the broader region.
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I grew up in love with coal miners and I’ll miss coal, but few others will.

Songs about wind farms and solar farms, are sure to be pretty lame.

https://youtu.be/FS8zCFN1h1g

So 20 acres of panels costs $5million and at $156,000/year will yield a "profit" after 32 years.
This assumes a maintenance cost of $0 for 3+ decades.

Nostradamus'omh » 30 Jun 2023, 9:49 am » wrote: ↑

30 Jun 2023, 9:49 am

they cost more than they return on investment. It is a hoax covered up by statistical averages using less than the whole process costs to place and maintain constantly.

A bunch of Republicans build all those wind and solar farms, to earn money.


Here is a recent cost breakdown of new build power plants.


 
 A coal plant might last fifty years.  There will be coal burned to make power for decades.  But economics mean very few, of any more coal plants are going to be built.

Regulatory costs and do gooders have likely prevented any new hydro dams or fission plants.  

That means all we are going to see by way of new power plant construction is Nat gas, solar and wind.

There is a great future for Natgas plants.  Solar never works at night and the wind doesn’t always blow close enough to where power is needed.  There will be, a fueled power source enough to meet base line and peak demand, always.

But peak demand is a few hours in the afternoon.

New wind plants make power at two cents a kilowatt and solar at six cents, without subsidies.

You won’t notice and won’t care so long as you pay ten cents for your juice.

Bruce » 30 Jun 2023, 10:34 am » wrote: ↑

30 Jun 2023, 10:34 am

A bunch of Republicans build all those wind and solar farms, to earn money.


Here is a recent cost breakdown of new build power plants.


 
 A coal plant might last fifty years.  There will be coal burned to make power for decades.  But economics mean very few, of any more coal plants are going to be built.

Regulatory costs and do gooders have likely prevented any new hydro dams or fission plants.  

That means all we are going to see by way of new power plant construction is Nat gas, solar and wind.

There is a great future for Natgas plants.  Solar never works at night and the wind doesn’t always blow close enough to where power is needed.  There will be, a fueled power source enough to meet base line and peak demand, always.

But peak demand is a few hours in the afternoon.

New wind plants make power at two cents a kilowatt and solar at six cents, without subsidies.

You won’t notice and won’t care so long as you pay ten cents for your juice.

Doesn't matter the franchised reality defending denial of actual evolving, since social sides agree nobody can get away with being honest about living in real time without all sides coming down on them individually here.

when a person doesn't accept any reality they are treated as ignoring all of them. Regardless generation gap alive, geographical area occupying time, social interpretations allowed by regional consensus from what the people are willing to do to stay in reality over understanding self evident evolving taking place now..

Boxed in ideologies box out honest ancestors in societal evolution inventing better tomorrows than time evolved to this point so far.

Nostradamus'omh » 30 Jun 2023, 10:43 am » wrote: ↑

30 Jun 2023, 10:43 am

Doesn't matter the franchised reality defending denial of actual evolving, since social sides agree nobody can get away with being honest about living in real time without all sides coming down on them individually here.

when a person doesn't accept any reality they are treated as ignoring all of them. Regardless generation gap alive, geographical area occupying time, social interpretations allowed by regional consensus from what the people are willing to do to stay in reality over understanding self evident evolving taking place now..

Boxed in ideologies box out honest ancestors in societal evolution inventing better tomorrows than time evolved to this point so far.

There is no reality more apparent than a black out or brown out.

The lights either come on or they don’t.

And also reality is expressed in the size of electric bills.

Cheap natural gas will eventually kill coal.  And economics and not environmentalism is why.

I doubt there’s single residential coal furnace left in America, all replaced by gas or electric.

The only reason to generate power with coal is cost.  And since Natgas competes on cost coal will die.

So why not generate all power with Natgas?  It’s possible.

The reason not to only use gas, is once that solar or wind farm gets built, you can shut down the gas turbine and save the gas for later, while the solar and wind plants have a zero fuel cost.

The electric customer isn’t going to boycott the service because his power comes from woke sources.

He’ll bitch, whine, complain and moan about something else.







 

I bet this company files for bankruptcy and doesn't clean up the mess. Typical liberal ****.

Bruce » 30 Jun 2023, 12:39 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jun 2023, 12:39 pm

There is no reality more apparent than a black out or brown out.

The lights either come on or they don’t.

And also reality is expressed in the size of electric bills.

Cheap natural gas will eventually kill coal.  And economics and not environmentalism is why.

I doubt there’s single residential coal furnace left in America, all replaced by gas or electric.

The only reason to generate power with coal is cost.  And since Natgas competes on cost coal will die.

So why not generate all power with Natgas?  It’s possible.

The reason not to only use gas, is once that solar or wind farm gets built, you can shut down the gas turbine and save the gas for later, while the solar and wind plants have a zero fuel cost.

The electric customer isn’t going to boycott the service because his power comes from woke sources.

He’ll bitch, whine, complain and moan about something else.

Here you go again, trying to be "smart" and being as DUMB AS A BUCKET OF ROCKS!!

You don't "shut down a gas turbine" and have it on reserve when needed. Doing that TOTALLY defeats the purpose of a regenerative power plant that literally "reuses" the heat from firing the boilers. Shut off the gas, you shut off the boilers and it takes HOURS to get them back up to temp to drive the turbines that turn the generators. So you have a complete OUTAGE as you wait for the power generation to restart, IDIOT!!

The SIMPLE FACT IS, WIND AND SOLAR have been PROVEN to be totally UNRELIABLE for energy since they are NEVER there when needed to most. Ask Texans about how that worked out of them on MULTIPLE occasions, like during this heat wave they have experienced )and during that COLD SNAP a couple of years back) and are ALL needing to have their A/C Units working. That FAILURE LIST goes on and is quite extensive too. Ask the Californian's how that working out for them too.

 

DeezerShoove » 30 Jun 2023, 9:51 am » wrote: ↑

30 Jun 2023, 9:51 am

So 20 acres of panels costs $5million and at $156,000/year will yield a "profit" after 32 years.
This assumes a maintenance cost of $0 for 3+ decades.

That right there is some **** up liberal math. 
 

PhiloBeddo » 30 Jun 2023, 12:43 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jun 2023, 12:43 pm

I bet this company files for bankruptcy and doesn't clean up the mess. Typical liberal ****.

Five million dollars is a tiny, little bitty investment in solar.

It’s only 20 acres.   

You corner supermarket is a far larger operation.

A new full size Natgas plant can cost a billion dollars.

Insurance will replace the panels and have it back online very soon, if it’s not already.

 

Beekeeper » 30 Jun 2023, 1:08 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jun 2023, 1:08 pm

Here you go again, trying to be "smart" and being as DUMB AS A BUCKET OF ROCKS!!

You don't "shut down a gas turbine" and have it on reserve when needed. Doing that TOTALLY defeats the purpose of a regenerative power plant that literally "reuses" the heat from firing the boilers. Shut off the gas, you shut off the boilers and it takes HOURS to get them back up to temp to drive the turbines that turn the generators. So you have a complete OUTAGE as you wait for the power generation to restart, IDIOT!!

The SIMPLE FACT IS, WIND AND SOLAR have been PROVEN to be totally UNRELIABLE for energy since they are NEVER there when needed to most. Ask Texans about how that worked out of them on MULTIPLE occasions, like during this heat wave they have experienced )and during that COLD SNAP a couple of years back) and are ALL needing to have their A/C Units working. That FAILURE LIST goes on and is quite extensive too. Ask the Californian's how that working out for them too.

The advantage of new generation Natgas turbine plants is you don’t need to build up a big head of steam like traditional coal plants.  There are no boilers, no steam.

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GE’s F-class and H-class products can be configured in 400 megawatt and larger sizes, start in fifteen minutes, change load quickly, and back down economically. Alstom’s GT 24, 26, and 13 class turbines are similarly capable in capacity, ramp rate, efficiency, and cost.
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Of course with solar and wind, there is instant online power and they are profitable all the way down to zero electric rates once online.

Natgas costs maybe four cents a kilowatt hour just for the gas.

After peak load times, when electric prices fall below four cents, they get shut down.