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Bruce » 01 Jul 2023, 9:56 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jul 2023, 9:56 pm

Voting machines are much older than the internet.
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In 1889, Jacob H. Myers of Rochester, New York, received a patent for a voting machine that was based on Beranek's 1881 push button machine. This machine saw its first use in Lockport, New York, in 1892.

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Not one has ever been nor will one will ever be online on the internet.

If they did, somebody could hack it.

And no, you can’t rig up some device to control them wirelessly either.

They are electro mechanical like old time cash registers, which is where the tech came from

Intranet, not internet. They can be hacked by someone on the same subnet. The Cia has used Dominion systems to rig elections in other countries. 
 

Cannonpointer » 01 Jul 2023, 10:03 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jul 2023, 10:03 pm

https://www.westernjournal.com/governme ... 16-states/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rigged-pre ... -machines/

Just shut the **** up, kid.   

From  the article posted:
—Hacking the machines would require both physical access to devices and the election management system, or the ability to alter files before being uploaded to the machines, CISA said.—-

It is pure fantasy to believe in systematic voting machine fraud.

Voting machines are over a hundred years old.

They are always checked by both a Democrat and a Republican election judge, I’ve volunteered locally.

You might as well try and rig an ATM to give you free money.



 

Bruce » 01 Jul 2023, 10:15 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jul 2023, 10:15 pm

From  the article posted:
—Hacking the machines would require both physical access to devices and the election management system, or the ability to alter files before being uploaded to the machines, CISA said.—-

It is pure fantasy to believe in systematic voting machine fraud.

Voting machines are over a hundred years old.

They are always checked by both a Democrat and a Republican election judge, I’ve volunteered locally.

You might as well try and rig an ATM to give you free money.

you believe your fairytale, and I'll believe mine.
millions of ballot images are missing.
I think it was Wisconsin that it was proven the program was changed right after the election.
precincts in many states had more votes than voters.
but it couldn't be done...........right!
 

The average voter is a retard. I have no reason to care about whether voting fraud happens. More important is the fact that our 'rulers' are illegitimate and the usa is a failed state.

Cannonpointer » 01 Jul 2023, 9:57 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jul 2023, 9:57 pm

The old ones are.

The new ones aren't.

^^^ sheer display of rocket scientism...  
 

Bruce » 01 Jul 2023, 9:37 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jul 2023, 9:37 pm

In 2004 Democrats came up with some of the exact same pathetic bull **** about voting machines being rigged in Ohio.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Un ... troversies

The reason every conspiracy theory that has ever been or will ever be about rigged voting machines is an Easter Bunny grade fantasy is this:

1.  To rig a voting machine, any voting machine, you would have to open it up and rig it.  

2. Every precinct in the USA has Democrats and Republicans both, watching those machines.

3. Try it, and you’ll get caught 

4. The machines have registers like cash registers

How far would a bank clerk get if he stuffed even one dollar in his pocket?  Same applies to voting machines.

Obviously ....you did not read the link ....
otherwise you wouldn't have made a fool of your self with this juvenile reply above.
Because nothing in the link is pathetic or **** ....and definitely not conspiracy theory .....
and should have every American concerned about election security .....
So, here it ​is ....

​​​Earlier this week, a redacted version of the much-anticipated Halderman report on Georgia’s voting machines and weak election security procedures was unsealed by a court.The investigative report contains numerous bombshell findings that vindicate those who raised serious concerns about the weak security of the Dominion Voting Machines used for Georgia’s elections, as well as in 24 other states, and the ability of malicious actors to potentially rig elections. The key takeaways are truly disturbing…

The Forensic Investigator’s Credentials Must Be Taken Seriously
My name is J. Alex Halderman. I am Professor of Computer Science and Engineering, Director of the Center for Computer Security and Society, and Director of th Software Systems Laboratory at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor. I hold a Ph.D. (2009), a master’s degree (2005), and a bachelor’s degree (2003), summa cum laude, in computer science, all from Princeton University.I have published numerous peer-reviewed research papers analyzing security problems in electronic voting systems used in U.S. states and in other countries. […]

 I serve as co-chair of the State of Michigan’s Election Security Advisory Commission, by appointment of the Michigan Secretary of State. […]I received the John Gideon Award for Election Integrity from the Election Verification Network, the Andrew Carnegie Fellowship, the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation Research Fellowship, the IRTF Applied Networking Research Prize, the Eric Aupperle Innovation Award, the University of Michigan College of Engineering 1938E Award for teaching and scholarship, and the University of Michigan President’s Award for National and State Leadership. […]


 I declare under penalty of the perjury laws of the State of Georgia and the United States that the foregoing is true and correct, and that this report was executed this 1st day of July, 2021.

https://beckernews.com/bombshell-report ... ged-50745/

FOS » 01 Jul 2023, 10:18 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jul 2023, 10:18 pm

The average voter is a retard. I have no reason to care about whether voting fraud happens. More important is the fact that our 'rulers' are illegitimate and the usa is a failed state.

you should care about voter fraud. If you care about democracy 

Bruce » 01 Jul 2023, 10:15 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jul 2023, 10:15 pm

From  the article posted:
—Hacking the machines would require both physical access to devices and the election management system, or the ability to alter files before being uploaded to the machines, CISA said.—-

It is pure fantasy to believe in systematic voting machine fraud.

Voting machines are over a hundred years old.

They are always checked by both a Democrat and a Republican election judge, I’ve volunteered locally.

You might as well try and rig an ATM to give you free money.

Remote Hackers Can Install Malware to Compromise Elections in Numerous WaysI have described several methods by which attackers can install malware with only brief physical access to an ICX. Although these are severe vulnerabilities, the ICX is also vulnerable to an even more dangerous method of malware installation. By modifying the election definition files that election workers copy to the BMDs before each election, attackers can spread malware to them remotely, with no physical access to the individual machines. By levering this vulnerability, an attacker who infiltrates a county Election Management System (EMS) can spread malware to every ICX in the county, and infiltrating other systems could allow vote-stealing malware to be spread to all ICXs state-wide. […]An attacker who infiltrates the facility where Dominion prepares Election Projects could modify the election definitions distributed to all Georgia counties, and thereby spread malware to every ICX used in Georgia. Such attacks could be automated through the use of further malicious software installed on infiltrated EMS systems. That software would be programmed to detect when a new Election Package was loaded. […]Given the ability to execute arbitrary code as root, the last step to remotely installing malware is replacing the ICX App’s code with a maliciously modified version, which can be constructed as described in Section 7. An attacker could replace the app’s code by several means; I demonstrate one particularly efficient method that is a variation of a technique presented at the Black Hat Asia conference in 2015 by Paul Sabanal.
 

Bruce » 01 Jul 2023, 10:15 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jul 2023, 10:15 pm

From  the article posted:
—Hacking the machines would require both physical access to devices and the election management system, or the ability to alter files before being uploaded to the machines, CISA said.—-

It is pure fantasy to believe in systematic voting machine fraud.

Voting machines are over a hundred years old.

They are always checked by both a Democrat and a Republican election judge, I’ve volunteered locally.

You might as well try and rig an ATM to give you free money.

Attackers Can Obtain Root Privileges and Rig Elections for Parties, Candidates

An attacker with physical access to the BMD can manipulate the logs and counters via several routes. First, they need to escape from the ICX App, using any of the methods described in Section 8. After accessing the underlying Android operating system, it is a simple matter to locate the applicable file and change its contents to suit the attacker’s purposes.While I describe manual modification techniques here, malware can also obtain root privileges. […]An attacker could, of course, implement different or more complex logic to determine when and how to cheat. Malware on the ICX has access to the complete ballot design, and could be programmed to cheat in favor of candidates from a specific party, in contests for a particular office, or in particular kinds of elections. For example, it could always favor one party’s candidate in U.S. House races during general elections. An attacker also could choose to change only the QR code or both the QR code and the human-readable text. Malware with such variations could be constructed in the same manner as the proof-of-concept malware described here. […]As a result, once at least one ballot has been voted for the attacker’s preferred candidate, subsequently printed ballots will contain QR codes that encode votes for that candidate.For demonstration purposes, I hard-coded the target contest and favored candidate, and I programmed the device to cheat as often as possible. In practice, an attacker could remotely (e.g., using WiFi or Bluetooth) select the fraction of votes to shift and which candidate in which contest should receive them.Similarly, the attacker could remotely enable or disable the cheating, thereby defeating any pre-election testing. With wireless control, the attack device could be installed in the printer once and cheat in any subsequent election.

 
 

Bruce » 01 Jul 2023, 10:15 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jul 2023, 10:15 pm

From  the article posted:
—Hacking the machines would require both physical access to devices and the election management system, or the ability to alter files before being uploaded to the machines, CISA said.—-

It is pure fantasy to believe in systematic voting machine fraud.

Voting machines are over a hundred years old.

They are always checked by both a Democrat and a Republican election judge, I’ve volunteered locally.

You might as well try and rig an ATM to give you free money.

Installing Malware Locally is Easy, Requires No Special Expertise
 An attacker who has access to an ICX BMD has multiple ways to install malicious software, such as the vote-stealing malware described in Section 7. In this section, I describe three separate techniques for accomplishing this that I have successfully tested with the ICX from Fulton County.These techniques do not require any secret passwords, PINs, or keys, nor does the attacker have to open the device’s chassis or break any tamper-evident seals. They only need physical access to the BMD for a few minutes. Attackers could gain such access before machines are delivered from the manufacturer, while they are in storage, while they are being prepared for use in an election, or at the polling place. As I will show, malware could potentially even be installed by regular voters, without any special level of access or technical skill.

sunburn » 01 Jul 2023, 10:18 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jul 2023, 10:18 pm

you believe your fairytale, and I'll believe mine.
millions of ballot images are missing.
I think it was Wisconsin that it was proven the program was changed right after the election.
precincts in many states had more votes than voters.
but it couldn't be done...........right!

QR Codes are Not ‘Encrypted’ in the Way Georgia Election Officials Had Claimed
 Dominion’s documentation claims that the QR codes are encrypted [19, § 2.6.1.1], and, at least as recently as January 2021, Secretary of State Chief Operating Officer Gabriel Sterling has repeated this claim to the media as a security feature of Georgia’s voting system [91]. In actuality, as I testified last year, no part of the QR codes is encrypted. While voters have no practical way to read or verify the votes encoded in the QR codes, they can be decoded by attackers and can be replaced or manipulated to steal voters’ votes.Although the QR codes are not encrypted, they use a data format this is incompatible with most off-the-shelf barcode reader software.Although cheating by malware that changed only ballot QR codes could be detected by a rigorous risk-limiting audit if the malware altered enough votes to change the outcome of the contest targeted by the audit, the vast majority of elections and contests in Georgia (even high-profile ones) are not audited at all.

Bruce » 01 Jul 2023, 10:15 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jul 2023, 10:15 pm

From  the article posted:
—Hacking the machines would require both physical access to devices and the election management system, or the ability to alter files before being uploaded to the machines, CISA said.—-

It is pure fantasy to believe in systematic voting machine fraud.

Voting machines are over a hundred years old.

They are always checked by both a Democrat and a Republican election judge, I’ve volunteered locally.

You might as well try and rig an ATM to give you free money.

Dominion Voting Machines are Plagued by Weak SecurityDominion could have used digital signatures to secure the ICX election definition files against malicious modification. Instead, there does not appear to be any cryptographic integrity protection, beyond verifying that the decrypted file is a properly formed Zip archive. As a result, anyone with access to the encryption key and IV discussed above can decrypt the ICX.dat file, modify it, and re-encrypt it using a command similar to the one shown above. My testing shows that the ICX will accept the modified file as if it were genuine.

Bruce » 01 Jul 2023, 10:15 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jul 2023, 10:15 pm

From  the article posted:
—Hacking the machines would require both physical access to devices and the election management system, or the ability to alter files before being uploaded to the machines, CISA said.—-

It is pure fantasy to believe in systematic voting machine fraud.

Voting machines are over a hundred years old.

They are always checked by both a Democrat and a Republican election judge, I’ve volunteered locally.

You might as well try and rig an ATM to give you free money.

Fulton County Questions More Serious After Forensic InvestigationIssue: The ICP as tested did not require ballots to be printed on security paper, and it accepted ICX ballots photocopied on normal office paper.Georgia uses special “security” paper stock for official ballots, including those printed by BMDs. However, when I tested the Fulton County ICP using ballots printed on normal copier paper, it accepted and counted them normally.I also tested scanning photocopies of BMD-printed ballots, and the ICP again accepted and counted them normally.

Bruce » 01 Jul 2023, 10:15 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jul 2023, 10:15 pm

From  the article posted:
—Hacking the machines would require both physical access to devices and the election management system, or the ability to alter files before being uploaded to the machines, CISA said.—-

It is pure fantasy to believe in systematic voting machine fraud.

Voting machines are over a hundred years old.

They are always checked by both a Democrat and a Republican election judge, I’ve volunteered locally.

You might as well try and rig an ATM to give you free money.

Fulton County Sent Test Scanner That Failed Even Rudimentary Security PrecautionsThat Fulton County election workers selected an inappropriate seal and failed to properly install it on a scanner they knew would be subjected to security testing suggests that Georgia security seal practices are insufficient to reliably protect the state’s election equipment from undetected physical access.The entire report can be read here.

Now go **** your self ......

Imgreatagain » 02 Jul 2023, 9:15 am » wrote: ↑

02 Jul 2023, 9:15 am

you should care about voter fraud. If you care about democracy

I dont

FOS » 02 Jul 2023, 10:50 am » wrote: ↑

02 Jul 2023, 10:50 am

I dont

what DO you care about? 

Imgreatagain » 02 Jul 2023, 10:57 am » wrote: ↑

02 Jul 2023, 10:57 am

what DO you care about?

the survival and flourishing of my people...people of European ancestry

FOS » 02 Jul 2023, 10:58 am » wrote: ↑

02 Jul 2023, 10:58 am

the survival and flourishing of my people...people of European ancestry

I think that’s already happened 

Imgreatagain » 02 Jul 2023, 11:01 am » wrote: ↑

02 Jul 2023, 11:01 am

I think that’s already happened

into the future lol...duh. 

FOS » 02 Jul 2023, 11:13 am » wrote: ↑

02 Jul 2023, 11:13 am

into the future lol...duh.

I don’t think that’s going to be a prob. 
seems like there would be a lot more things to worry about. 
or.. don’t worry at all. It’s pointless and it doesn’t change anything