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My theory to: 'if God is so good, then why does he allow evil to happen good and innocent people.'
My theory to: 'if God is so good, then why does he allow evil to happen good and innocent people.'
By Vegas
9 Jul 2023 12:24 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
9 Jul 2023 12:24 pm
This is an age old question, and a good one. It's a fair question because it brings the character of God into question. God is just, but he allows injustice. I have heard many religious leaders, and followers, of all religions, try to answer this. I don't know about you all, but I find their answers less than satisfying. Their answers tend to raise more questions than resolutions.
Here is my theory:
If we ask 'why does God allow evil to happen to good people', then by implication, we are saying that this is God's world. By saying that God is "allowing" anything implies that he has jurisdiction over it. I say that God doesn't own this world, mankind does. Thus, God has no jurisdiction over it. This is consistent with the bible when Eve ate the forbidden fruit. Mankind kicked God out of the world ages ago. Mankind owns it, not God. It's not hard to comprehend that humans allow evil to happen to good people.
What's really amazing is how their can be good an evil world. Not the other way around.
Here is my theory:
If we ask 'why does God allow evil to happen to good people', then by implication, we are saying that this is God's world. By saying that God is "allowing" anything implies that he has jurisdiction over it. I say that God doesn't own this world, mankind does. Thus, God has no jurisdiction over it. This is consistent with the bible when Eve ate the forbidden fruit. Mankind kicked God out of the world ages ago. Mankind owns it, not God. It's not hard to comprehend that humans allow evil to happen to good people.
What's really amazing is how their can be good an evil world. Not the other way around.
9 Jul 2023 12:40 pm
How could a good and kind, loving God, allow generation after generation of African slaves be raped, whipped, worked as slaves under the lash, and their children sold away from their mothers?
If I got sold away from you and Daddy I’d just want to die.
I remember asking my Mama that question as a child.
She replied, please fetch me the World Book “L”.
I sat there and learned how Lincoln led a great army of the United States, to end slavery for all time, and forever.
And then she taught me this song:
https://youtu.be/Jy6AOGRsR80
Satan may get a long run of it, before the hosts of the Lord overcome evil.
The most important question to ask,
Is which side, do you choose?
If I got sold away from you and Daddy I’d just want to die.
I remember asking my Mama that question as a child.
She replied, please fetch me the World Book “L”.
I sat there and learned how Lincoln led a great army of the United States, to end slavery for all time, and forever.
And then she taught me this song:
https://youtu.be/Jy6AOGRsR80
Satan may get a long run of it, before the hosts of the Lord overcome evil.
The most important question to ask,
Is which side, do you choose?
9 Jul 2023 12:47 pm
Did you even read my OP? I literally answered this.Bruce » 09 Jul 2023, 12:40 pm » wrote: ↑ How could a good and kind, loving God, allow generation after generation of African slaves be raped, whipped, worked as slaves under the lash, and their children sold away from their mothers?
9 Jul 2023 1:01 pm
But you didn’t bring Jesus Christ into your answer.
Trump might be at a rally today where twenty thousand MAGAS are waving flags, celebrating and cheering every evil, wicked, vile, hateful thing Trump preaches from his pulpit.
But 99% or more of that crowd believes in Jesus.
If they ever once read the Sermon on the Mount in its entirety old Trump is in trouble.
MAGA argues God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. And they are right, God the Old Man did.
God the Son, gave us a New Testament
9 Jul 2023 1:02 pm
He doesnt read posts....
he is too busy composing LONG posts that few
are even bothering to read any more
9 Jul 2023 1:03 pm
Sumela » 09 Jul 2023, 1:02 pm » wrote: ↑ He doesnt read posts....
he is too busy composing LONG posts that few
are even bothering to read any more
Kind of like omh.
9 Jul 2023 1:04 pm
So? There was evil happening before Jesus. There are other religions in this world.
9 Jul 2023 1:05 pm
yes, but not ancestrally evolving into PI R Squared
9 Jul 2023 1:09 pm
9 Jul 2023 1:10 pm
When I read God, I don’t think of the old guy with the white beard.Vegas
So? There was evil happening before Jesus. There are other religions in this world.
Here is my God.
9 Jul 2023 1:12 pm
And evil existed before Jesus...hence the whole reason why Jesus came in the first place.Bruce » 09 Jul 2023, 1:10 pm » wrote: ↑ When I read God, I don’t think of the old guy with the white beard.
Here is my God.
9 Jul 2023 1:18 pm
I love how liberals constantly drone on and on about how the US is not a Christian nation...then turn around and expect Christians to only vote for people who live their life in accordance to every Christian tenet. Personally, my religion and politics are separate. I hold steadfast to my beliefs and DO NOT look to any elected official as a example of how to conduct myself. I vote for candidates with whom I agree with the most. In the highly unlikely event there are two candidates that I agree with equally, I might use my beliefs as a tie breaker...but am more likely to go with the one I think has a better change against the idio...err...liberal candidate.Bruce » 09 Jul 2023, 1:01 pm » wrote: ↑ But you didn’t bring Jesus Christ into your answer.
Trump might be at a rally today where twenty thousand MAGAS are waving flags, celebrating and cheering every evil, wicked, vile, hateful thing Trump preaches from his pulpit.
But 99% or more of that crowd believes in Jesus.
If they ever once read the Sermon on the Mount in its entirety old Trump is in trouble.
MAGA argues God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. And they are right, God the Old Man did.
God the Son, gave us a New Testament
As for the OP...I disagree. I know there are a vast number who believe God controls everything and knows everything that will happen to them during their life. I do not. In my mind, that runs contrary to needing to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. I believe God gave us free will and takes the approach of, "Make your choices in life, I will be the one who holds you accountable for the consequences of those choices. However, I am always here if you need me to play a larger, or even huge, role in your life." I also believe it is never too late to make the "decision" that Jesus is the Son of God and by accepting him as your Savior you get forgiveness for your sins. Most non-Christians seem to expect Christians to be perfect. They are not perfect, just forgiven if they truly confess their sins and repent.
9 Jul 2023 1:20 pm
If you believe Jesus is who the Bible says he is...that is impossible. Now, if you change your post to "...evil existed before Jesus came to the earth in human form..." you would be correct.Vegas » 09 Jul 2023, 1:12 pm » wrote: ↑ And evil existed before Jesus...hence the whole reason why Jesus came in the first place.
9 Jul 2023 1:43 pm
If you turn a MAGA loose with a Bible, the very first place he’ll go (if he can find it) straight to all the wicked, evil, gory parts of the Old Testament where women were judicially murdered for adultery, homosexuals were stoned, and people who didn’t keep the Sabbath were executed. After that, he’ll find Paul said this and that bad about women and likely raked in more loot than Jim Bakker, from all those churches he visited,Vegas » 09 Jul 2023, 1:12 pm » wrote: ↑ And evil existed before Jesus...hence the whole reason why Jesus came in the first place.
He’s trying to be a Christian but he needs guidance, is all.
But if you steer him towards Matthew, Mark, Luke and John he won’t find anything bad, that Jesus said.
Eventually, he might learn Picture From Life’s Other Side, which explains the existence of evil coexisting with goodness.
https://youtu.be/gX6NCxMYUVw
9 Jul 2023 1:48 pm
Bruce » 09 Jul 2023, 1:43 pm » wrote: ↑ If you turn a MAGA loose with a Bible, the very first place he’ll go (if he can find it) straight to all the wicked, evil, gory parts of the Old Testament where women were judicially murdered for adultery, homosexuals were stoned, and people who didn’t keep the Sabbath were executed. After that, he’ll find Paul said this and that bad about women and likely raked in more loot than Jim Bakker, from all those churches he visited,
He’s trying to be a Christian but he needs guidance, is all.
But if you steer him towards Matthew, Mark, Luke and John he won’t find anything bad, that Jesus said.
Eventually, he might learn Picture From Life’s Other Side, which explains the existence of evil coexisting with goodness.
https://youtu.be/gX6NCxMYUVw
LOL! Another progressive with level 10 TDS. He can't make one post without mentioning Trump/MAGA.
9 Jul 2023 1:49 pm
ConsRule » 09 Jul 2023, 1:20 pm » wrote: ↑ If you believe Jesus is who the Bible says he is...that is impossible. Now, if you change your post to "...evil existed before Jesus came to the earth in human form..." you would be correct.
How is what I said different from you just said? It's different words, but it said the same thing.
9 Jul 2023 2:51 pm
Because Christian believe in the Holy Trinity...Father, Son and Holy Spirit and that all three are different manifestations of God and that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are God, thus they have existed as long as God has existed.Vegas » 09 Jul 2023, 1:49 pm » wrote: ↑ How is what I said different from you just said? It's different words, but it said the same thing.
9 Jul 2023 2:59 pm
What does Trump preach that's evil, wicked, vile or hateful?Bruce » 09 Jul 2023, 1:01 pm » wrote: ↑
Trump might be at a rally today where twenty thousand MAGAS are waving flags, celebrating and cheering every evil, wicked, vile, hateful thing Trump preaches from his pulpit.
9 Jul 2023 3:07 pm
ConsRule » 09 Jul 2023, 2:51 pm » wrote: ↑ Because Christian believe in the Holy Trinity...Father, Son and Holy Spirit and that all three are different manifestations of God and that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are God, thus they have existed as long as God has existed.
Oh okay. Well, I was making a point that evil existed before Jesus appeared on Earth. I didn't really think I needed to explain the fine details.
9 Jul 2023 3:10 pm
And, blasphemy against God the Father and God the Son is forgivable.ConsRule » 09 Jul 2023, 2:51 pm » wrote: ↑ Because Christian believe in the Holy Trinity...Father, Son and Holy Spirit and that all three are different manifestations of God and that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are God, thus they have existed as long as God has existed.
But to sin against the Holy Spirit is unforgivable in this world or the next.
Jesus said that.
That is why old time Christians did not evangelize.
The “Christians” you see calling people groomers that aren’t groomers and bashing the poor, pitiful trannies and cheering when little black kids get gunned down, and all the other evil, lowlife, mean **** MAGA stands for, can and likely will be forgiven.
The Christians who know what good and evil is, and know right from wrong, would burn in hell for that if they tried it even one, single time.
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