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Z09 » 17 Jul 2023, 5:41 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2023, 5:41 am

He just lies

Yesterday he says he filled up his gas tank for $29.00 in Missouri where he lives..
And he now says he only puts in 93 octane.

There's simply no place you can fill up your gas tank for $29.00 unless of course your tank takes 7 gallons

After many back and forth he admits his car was 1/2 filled at the time....

WTF?
Sounds like a John Kerry testimony

He blathers about his Christian faith while voting for the tranny agenda.
 

Bruce » 17 Jul 2023, 6:20 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2023, 6:20 am

Last night 87 octane unleaded regular cost $3.13 a gallon, and a four or six cylinder car can easily get 32 miles per gallon on the freeway.  That car runs for ten cents a mile on $3.20 gas.  You can buy one for $32,000.
 

I am paying 20 cents less in texas.
 

NEILCAR » 17 Jul 2023, 7:02 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2023, 7:02 am

Get a ev rental and take the family on a 4 hour drive from Boston to Bar Harbor… you will never get in a EV again.

I rode in a production model Tesla last week. Sumbitch was cool as hell. I'd own one.

It has 402 horses stock with 2500 pounds of torque. It takes 15 minutes to charge on the road - which is a typical pit stop ANYWAY, in my gas car. You can charge it from your house, at night, when demand is low. My boysays it's 4 bucks to fill a tank at the store, much cheaper to fill at home.

So... what would be the reason I would never own an EV again, if I were to drive 4 hours from Bwoston to Bah Hahbah?
 
 

Bruce » 17 Jul 2023, 7:14 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2023, 7:14 am

I had a dear old friend who had a saying, every time somebody bad mouthed new cars:
 
You have to get up awfully early in the morning to get ahead of a General Motors engineer.

Elon Musk, might become the world’s first person who is worth a trillion dollars.

The problems with electrics are two.

1. High new cost.

Musk’s Tesla 3 costs 33 grand after rebate.  

2. Range

A Tesla 3 has the same range as my father’s new 1965 Galaxie 500 had, and then some.

EV advantages are

1. They operate on 3 cents a mile

2. The slowest ones outrun a 396 Chevelle

The liberal do gooders are not going to legislate EVs

The whole world will want one

I'm a fable denier who DOESN'T mistake retarded girls for science oracles, and I'm sold on Tesla's 40k (before rebate) model. It think it rocks. I drove it - well, it drove me. **** thing was a stud - you could get whiplash if not for the seat. But the real selling point is that you can make a fart noise come from any seat. You can even make the car itself fart on other cars. Sorry, but that kind of intelligent use of technology is a YUGE plus. Nothing is going to replace fart humor - it's classic. 
 

Bruce » 17 Jul 2023, 3:16 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2023, 3:16 pm

Agreed.



The EV gets charged every night at home.


 

Where do you think the electricity comes from to charge those batteries?

Magical Fairy Dust?

michaelf » 17 Jul 2023, 11:07 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2023, 11:07 am

The price has to come down a good 30%, they need to charge much faster and there needs to be an awful lot more charging stations.

The price just DID drop by 50% (after rebate) and I am told by a friend who purchased one that you can go from empty to full in 15 minutes at a charging station. He charges it at night - it's all on auto-ilot to charge at 1am when demand is low and prices are, too. 

Tesla has the largest network of charging stations, and detroit is just saying **** it and paying tesla to use theirs, my friend tells me. 
 

Z09 » 17 Jul 2023, 3:21 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2023, 3:21 pm

I have a friend who bought an EV and he's having a little remorse
AND it's all about charging and the time it takes

I can only speak to the cheap Tesla. It's a **** buy - a HARD buy. You'll pay for the car in three or four years just on the gas money you save. 
 

RebelGator » 17 Jul 2023, 7:05 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2023, 7:05 pm

Where do you think the electricity comes from to charge those batteries?

Magical Fairy Dust?

My buddy who bought one (and loves it) says it comes from coal. 

He doesn't give a ****. He just wanted to save several thousand a year and drive a balls-out car. 

I drove his Tesla, and I was impressed as hell. 

And Bruce is right that the grid has excess capacity at night, so you get the kw cheaper. 

Will Evs cause all houses to have garages? Chaching add another 50 grand to the cost of a home

Cannonpointer » 17 Jul 2023, 6:58 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2023, 6:58 pm

I rode in a production model Tesla last week. Sumbitch was cool as hell. I'd own one.

It has 402 horses stock with 2500 pounds of torque. It takes 15 minutes to charge on the road - which is a typical pit stop ANYWAY, in my gas car. You can charge it from your house, at night, when demand is low. My boysays it's 4 bucks to fill a tank at the store, much cheaper to fill at home.

So... what would be the reason I would never own an EV again, if I were to drive 4 hours from Bwoston to Bah Hahbah?

How do they get a steel axle to stand 2,500 foot pounds of toque?

I guess the tires break loose a long time before the axle snaps.

And that’s the base model.

Some have two motors and a thousand horsepower, and I suppose twice the torque.

BuckNaked » 17 Jul 2023, 8:16 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2023, 8:16 pm

Will Evs cause all houses to have garages? Chaching add another 50 grand to the cost of a home

Ever see a light pole outside a house?

I suppose there’s going to be a lot more with a charger on them in ten years.

Every parking meter could have a Tesla plug.

And only a few years ago a wind farm needed 10 cents a kilowatt to break even.  That is down to 2 cents.

There are about two hundred million gas cars in the USA.  The average life is about 13 years.

In 25 years there will be 200 million or more electric cars.  Used ones will be all over the used lots.  The new ones will have batteries made almost entirely from old batteries.  The wind farms building today will still be making 2 cents an hour power, all night long.

The gas car is a dead tech still walking.



 

Bruce » 17 Jul 2023, 11:52 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2023, 11:52 pm

How do they get a steel axle to stand 2,500 foot pounds of toque?

I guess the tires break loose a long time before the axle snaps.

And that’s the base model.

Some have two motors and a thousand horsepower, and I suppose twice the torque.

The car I rode in/drove/was driven by had 420 horses and could get another 80 (I think he said 80) if you bought the extra power. But come on - 420 horses? Man, that's power. 

I don't know from axle shmaxle. I just hit the gas. 

I mean electric. 

Cannonpointer » 18 Jul 2023, 12:34 am » wrote: ↑

18 Jul 2023, 12:34 am

The car I rode in/drove/was driven by had 420 horses and could get another 80 (I think he said 80) if you bought the extra power. But come on - 420 horses? Man, that's power. 

I don't know from axle shmaxle. I just hit the gas. 

I mean electric.

In 1974 I had a ride in a Boss 429 Mustang.

It might have had 400 horsepower and 500 ft lbs of torque.  Torque is that invisible hand that plasters you back against the seat. It’s twisting power.

Not only does a base EV have five times more torque than the best of the best muscle cars, it has that 2,500 pounds at ZERO rpms.

Tesla has to have used lots of computerized traction control or they’d be undrivable, tires smoking, axles breaking, rocket sleds.

Gawd I want one.


 

Bruce » 18 Jul 2023, 12:04 am » wrote: ↑

18 Jul 2023, 12:04 am

Ever see a light pole outside a house?

I suppose there’s going to be a lot more with a charger on them in ten years.

Every parking meter could have a Tesla plug.

And only a few years ago a wind farm needed 10 cents a kilowatt to break even.  That is down to 2 cents.

There are about two hundred million gas cars in the USA.  The average life is about 13 years.

In 25 years there will be 200 million or more electric cars.  Used ones will be all over the used lots.  The new ones will have batteries made almost entirely from old batteries.  The wind farms building today will still be making 2 cents an hour power, all night long.

The gas car is a dead tech still walking.

Exposed to elements?   Is that safe?
 

Z09 » 18 Jul 2023, 7:30 am » wrote: ↑

18 Jul 2023, 7:30 am

So you had a ride in a Boss 429...?

If you truly did you'd know their performance is terrible.
It never had 400 horse and numerous other muscle cars were much better performance-wise

It impressed me as a 16 year old kid.

But whether a 427 Chevy or 426 Hemi or Boss 429 or whatever, the torque numbers of the top muscle cars were five times less than a base Tesla, and from a dead stop.

All the electrics will lack is the sound. 

They could create a sound I suppose.

 

BuckNaked » 18 Jul 2023, 5:26 am » wrote: ↑

18 Jul 2023, 5:26 am

Exposed to elements?   Is that safe?

Camper plugs have had exposed hook ups for years.

Somebody has figured or will figure that **** out.

Bruce » 18 Jul 2023, 7:44 am » wrote: ↑

18 Jul 2023, 7:44 am

Camper plugs have had exposed hook ups for years.

Somebody has figured or will figure that **** out.

will a charger last exposed to the elements?

BuckNaked » 18 Jul 2023, 8:14 am » wrote: ↑

18 Jul 2023, 8:14 am

will a charger last exposed to the elements?

  If an on board charger takes the abuse a bass boat puts out,just standing in the weather won't hurt it.
 

Cannonpointer » 17 Jul 2023, 7:05 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2023, 7:05 pm

The price just DID drop by 50% (after rebate) and I am told by a friend who purchased one that you can go from empty to full in 15 minutes at a charging station. He charges it at night - it's all on auto-ilot to charge at 1am when demand is low and prices are, too. 

Tesla has the largest network of charging stations, and detroit is just saying **** it and paying tesla to use theirs, my friend tells me.

where does the charge originate?

BuckNaked » 19 Jul 2023, 8:54 am » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 8:54 am

where does the charge originate?

An aging, rickety, second world grid that can be depended on to be undependable. 

Why do you ask?