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maineman » 10 Sep 2024, 8:44 am » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2024, 8:44 am

Stakes used as cudgels are weapons.  Fire extinguishers used as battering rams are weapons.

"Honest, Judge... I never would have joined an angry, rioting mob of insurrectionists if there had been more cops there!  It's not MY fault!  The lack of cops MADE me do it.  Put the absentee policemen in jail.  Not ME!"

Why would anyone think that 10K National Guard troops were needed to protect the Congress of the United States from the PEOPLE of the United States?
Prior to January 6th, have the PEOPLE of the United States ever attacked the Congress of the United States before???

The absence of National Guard troops did not magically smash windows and storm the capitol.  J6 MAGA RIOTING CRIMINALS DID. 

Tell me:  why weren't physical police barriers and a line of capitol police not sufficient to prevent law-abiding American citizens from entering the capitol that day?
Shouldn't they be??

IMHO, they were all traitors and should all have been shot like Ashlii.

those judges are all liberal **** assholes that should be tried for treason against the Constitution

maineman » 10 Sep 2024, 8:44 am » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2024, 8:44 am

Stakes used as cudgels are weapons.  Fire extinguishers used as battering rams are weapons.

Why would anyone think that 10K National Guard troops were needed to protect the Congress of the United States from the PEOPLE of the United States?
Prior to January 6th, have the PEOPLE of the United States ever attacked the Congress of the United States before???

The absence of National Guard troops did not magically smash windows and storm the capitol.  J6 MAGA RIOTING CRIMINALS DID. 

Tell me:  why weren't physical police barriers and a line of capitol police not sufficient to prevent law-abiding American citizens from entering the capitol that day?
Shouldn't they be??

IMHO, they were all traitors and should all have been shot like Ashlii.

So show me where even a single one of the protesters brandished a stake or used a fire extinguisher to attack the police inside the Capitol, you lying scumbag?
Or are you stupid enough to STILL believe the lies that CNN and MSNBC told you for days about how one of the Capitol police was bludgeoned and murdered by the rioters hitting the cop with a fire extinguisher?

Biden Makes False Claim About Jan. 6 Capitol AttackBy D'Angelo Gore February 2, 2024  About 140 law enforcement officers were injured during the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol, according to multiple reports. But no officers were “killed” that day, as President Joe Biden falsely claimed at a Jan. 31 campaign reception in Miami.
 Biden made the claim at the private event after talking about former President Donald Trump “dividing” the country and “embracing political violence.”“He sat and watched on the 6th of — of January, watched that riot go on, watched those people being killed — watched the cops being killed, watched what’s happening,” Biden said, according to a White House transcript of his full remarks.

Are you really dumb enough to believe that an additional 10,000 security police wouldn't have stopped any incursion into the Capitol BEFORE IT STARTED?
Who the **** made YOU the determining voice on how many police were needed?  Clearly the two idiots you love, Pelosi and Bowser WERE 100% WRONG by rejecting the offer of 10,000 additional guards, AND TRUMP WAS 100% CORRECT WHEN TELLING THEM THEY WERE NEEDED!
But your insane and illogical hatred of Trump will never allow you to admit that fact, will it asshole?

The bottom line is that Pelosi WANTED that riot to occur and she purposely had the camera crews ready specifically to film it!  THAT'S why she refused to accept the additional security THAT TRUMP TOLD HER WOULD BE NEEDED!

You're just too dumb and too biased to accept the reality of how corrupt the scumbags you support really are!
 

maineman » 10 Sep 2024, 8:44 am » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2024, 8:44 am

1.  Stakes used as cudgels are weapons.  Fire extinguishers used as battering rams are weapons.

2. "Honest, Judge... I never would have joined an angry, rioting mob of insurrectionists if there had been more cops there!  It's not MY fault!  The lack of cops MADE me do it.  Put the absentee policemen in jail.  Not ME!"

3. Why would anyone think that 10K National Guard troops were needed to protect the Congress of the United States from the PEOPLE of the United States?
Prior to January 6th, have the PEOPLE of the United States ever attacked the Congress of the United States before???

4. The absence of National Guard troops did not magically smash windows and storm the capitol.  J6 MAGA RIOTING CRIMINALS DID. 

5. Tell me:  why weren't physical police barriers and a line of capitol police not sufficient to prevent law-abiding American citizens from entering the capitol that day?
Shouldn't they be??

1.  @Zeets2  apparently never saw the video of J6 rioters hitting policemen on the ground with flagpoles and fire extinguishers
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2021/01/1 ... ot-vpx.cnn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn7Fge6hys4
2.  unaddressed by @Zeets2
3.  see #2 above
4.  DITTO
5.  DITTO 
 
 

Zeets2 » 10 Sep 2024, 9:31 am » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2024, 9:31 am

The bottom line is that Pelosi WANTED that riot to occur and she purposely had the camera crews ready specifically to film it!  THAT'S why she refused to accept the additional security THAT TRUMP TOLD HER WOULD BE NEEDED!

 

Oh... and the bottom line about your "bottom line" is that it is NOTHING but unsubstantiated hyper-partisan conjecture that you claim to know as fact.

maineman » 10 Sep 2024, 9:39 am » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2024, 9:39 am

1.  @Zeets2  apparently never saw the video of J6 rioters hitting policemen on the ground with flagpoles
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2021/01/1 ... ot-vpx.cnn
2.  unaddressed by @Zeets2
3.  see #2 above
4.  DITTO
5.  DITTO

You're a **** moron!
You REALLY think that the demonstrators would have DARED to fight with police or push through the barricades if there were an ADDITIONAL 10,000 National Guard troops there to stop them?

This riot was FULLY ORCHESTRATED by Pelosi, INCLUDING the planting of FBI agents in the crowd like Ray Epps WHO ENCOURAGED AND INSTIGATED THE MOB TO RIOT!
You're just too busy licking the *** of Biden and Pelosi to admit it, despite knowing FULL WELL that they were the ones responsible for the riot!
 

Zeets2 » 10 Sep 2024, 9:56 am » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2024, 9:56 am

You're a **** moron!
You REALLY think that the demonstrators would have DARED to fight with police or push through the barricades if there were an ADDITIONAL 10,000 National Guard troops there to stop them?

This riot was FULLY ORCHESTRATED by Pelosi, INCLUDING the planting of FBI agents in the crowd like Ray Epps WHO ENCOURAGED AND INSTIGATED THE MOB TO RIOT!
You're just too busy licking the *** of Biden and Pelosi to admit it, despite knowing FULL WELL that they were the ones responsible for the riot!

One wonders why law-abiding United States citizens would ever push through barricades and assault police officers regardless of the size of the police presence.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/penn ... -6-capitol

And you're saying that the FBI now arrests and charges their plants with crimes for which they are convicted?  I don't recall that happening in the past.  You'd think that Epps would have gone public with that info when he was charged, wouldn't you?

And once again, your ridiculous assertion that Pelosi orchestrated J6 is baseless and hilarious.... certainly not provable.
 
 

maineman » 10 Sep 2024, 9:51 am » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2024, 9:51 am

Oh... and the bottom line about your "bottom line" is that it is NOTHING but unsubstantiated hyper-partisan conjecture that you claim to know as fact.

Isn't it a FACT that Trump OFFERED to send an additional 10,000 National Guard troops to provide the security Trump said would be needed?
Isn't it a FACT that both Pelosi and Bowser REFUSED TO ALLOW THEM?
Isn't it a FACT that Pelosi had a film crew set up and ready to take video of the rioters to use against Trump supporters?
Isn't it a FACT that Pelosi put FBI plants in the crowd WHO ENCOURAGED THE DEMONSTRATORS TO "GO INTO THE CAPITOL, INTO THE CAPITOL!!"?

So what's "unsubstantiated" about those facts, dickhead?
 

Zeets2 » 10 Sep 2024, 10:04 am » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2024, 10:04 am

1.  Isn't it a FACT that Trump OFFERED to send an additional 10,000 National Guard troops to provide the security Trump said would be needed?
2. Isn't it a FACT that both Pelosi and Bowser REFUSED TO ALLOW THEM?
3. Isn't it a FACT that Pelosi had a film crew set up and ready to take video of the rioters to use against Trump supporters?
4. Isn't it a FACT that Pelosi put FBI plants in the crowd WHO ENCOURAGED THE DEMONSTRATORS TO "GO INTO THE CAPITOL, INTO THE CAPITOL!!"?

So what's "unsubstantiated" about those facts, dickhead?

1. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac ... 929215002/
2. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac ... 929215002/
3.  I have never seen an objective source prove this, and we both know that you don't use them
4.  The FBI may have put plants in the crowd.  That is just good policing.  Epps was not one.

maineman » 10 Sep 2024, 10:11 am » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2024, 10:11 am

1. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac ... 929215002/
2. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac ... 929215002/
3.  I have never seen an objective source prove this, and we both know that you don't use them
4.  The FBI may have put plants in the crowd.  That is just good policing.  Epps was not one.

**** the fbi and the doj.... they are disgraceful

maineman » 10 Sep 2024, 10:11 am » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2024, 10:11 am

1. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac ... 929215002/
2. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac ... 929215002/
3.  I have never seen an objective source prove this, and we both know that you don't use them
4.  The FBI may have put plants in the crowd.  That is just good policing.  Epps was not one.

I've SEEN the letter, dickhead!  It's since been scrubbed from the internet so that gullible assholes like you can't find it!

Gen. Kellogg: Trump did request Nat’l Guard troops on Jan. 6th; asks Congress to release his testimony
August 05, 2022 Ryan Morgan

Retired U.S. Army Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg said last week that former President Donald Trump did in fact request National Guard troops be deployed in Washington D.C. before the breach of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. Kellogg said he was present at the time of Trump’s request and Congress should release his testimony to the public. Trump has repeatedly claimed he requested National Guard troops be activated in DC to provide security as he called on supporters to protest the certification of the election results for Biden. Trump’s claim has been substantiated by members of his administration

Here's proof the corrupt Jan. 6 committee ILLEGALLY DESTROYED THAT EVIDENCE!

January 6 Committee Destroyed Records, Videos; Trump’s Rights Violated
Joel B. Pollak 9 Aug 2023
The Jan 6 Committee defied a demand last year by Speaker Kevin McCarthy that it preserve all its records, evidence, and transcripts, and has destroyed much of what it collected over more than a year of investigation.

Isn't it clear even to a dope like you that Dems have again illegally destroyed the evidence proving Trump's assertions, just like they ignored Hillary's crimes of destroying 35,000 emails WHICH WERE UNDER SUBPOENA,  A FELONY?

Trump Blasts Biden’s J6 Claims, Says Pelosi Accepted Responsibility
Bradley Jaye 27 Jun 2024
 Trump ripped Biden during Thursday night’s presidential debate for suggesting Trump was responsible for events at the US Capitol on Jan 6. Trump countered that not only did he authorize additional security after protestors entered the Capitol but in fact had requested and approved National Guard troops in advance – information which was omitted by Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s anti-Trump J6 Committee.“I was all set to bring in the National Guard,” Trump said, bashing the committee for only releasing information strategically to damage Trump. “The unselect committee destroyed and deleted all the information they found because they found out we were right,” Trump said.“ And they deleted and they destroyed all of the information. They should go to jail for that. If a republican did that they’d go to jail.”Trump referenced recently released footage of Pelosi shot by her daughter,  Alexandra Pelosi, who filmed around the Capitol on Jan 6. A distraught Pelosi admitted blame for Jan 6 after denying Trump’s requests for additional security. “Nancy Pelosi, if you just watched the news from two days ago, on tape to her daughter –  she’s saying, ‘oh no, its my responsibility, I was responsible for this,’ because I offered her 10,000 soldiers or national guard and she turned them down,” Trump said.

 
 

Zeets2 » 10 Sep 2024, 11:03 am » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2024, 11:03 am

I've SEEN the letter, dickhead!  It's since been scrubbed from the internet so that gullible assholes like you can't find it!

Here's proof the corrupt Jan. 6 committee ILLEGALLY DESTROYED THAT EVIDENCE!

Isn't it clear even to a dope like you that Dems have again illegally destroyed the evidence proving Trump's assertions, just like they ignored Hillary's crimes of destroying 35,000 emails WHICH WERE UNDER SUBPOENA,  A FELONY?

Of course, you have.  You saw proof that the Apollo moon landing was filmed in a studio in Hollywood, too, I'd imagine.  

"Illegal" is a tough word to prove.  What law did they break? What law required them to maintain all of those papers after their investigation was concluded and their special select subcommittee was disbanded.  I'll wait.

maineman » 10 Sep 2024, 10:11 am » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2024, 10:11 am

4.  The FBI may have put plants in the crowd.  That is just good policing.  Epps was not one.

Just keep burying your ignorant self with more proof that you don't know what the **** you're talking about!
Here's Ray Epps telling a reporter that they need to "GO INTO THE CAPITOL":
https://twitter.com/i/status/1476504908627165188
And here he is shouting the same orders to the surrounding crowd. 
https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/video/mo ... 983974.mp4

That should be enough to convince even a dunce like you that you're nothing but a gullible moron who is happy to believe the lies they tell you on CNN and MSNBC!
You wouldn't recognize the truth if it smacked you upside your empty **** head!!!
 

maineman » 10 Sep 2024, 11:09 am » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2024, 11:09 am

Of course, you have.  You saw proof that the Apollo moon landing was filmed in a studio in Hollywood, too, I'd imagine.  

"Illegal" is a tough word to prove.  What law did they break? What law required them to maintain all of those papers after their investigation was concluded and their special select subcommittee was disbanded.  I'll wait.

Here's the crime, dickhead!
Amazing how willingly you're able to admit your total ignorance of the law!

Tampering With Evidence
Tampering with evidence is the crime of altering, destroying, or concealing physical evidence with the intent to affect the outcome of a criminal investigation or court proceeding.
By Deborah C. England, Attorney · Seattle University School of Law
Updated 9/18/2020Tampering with evidence is illegal under both federal and state law. The crime involves altering, destroying, or concealing physical evidence with the intent to affect the outcome of a criminal investigation or court proceeding.

Whoever knowingly alters, destroys, mutilates, conceals, covers up, falsifies, or makes a false entry in any record, document, or tangible object with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence the investigation or proper administration of any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States or any case filed under title 11, or in relation to or contemplation of any such matter or case, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.
(Added Pub. L. 107–204, title VIII, § 802(a), July 30, 2002, 116 Stat. 800.)

 
 

Zeets2 » 10 Sep 2024, 11:19 am » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2024, 11:19 am

Here's the crime, dickhead!
Amazing how willingly you're able to admit your total ignorance of the law!

" impede, obstruct, or influence the investigation"

They did no such thing,  Their investigation had been completed.

and it wasn't even a criminal investigation or a court proceeding.
 

MM knows **** about the law, his father was a disgraced lawyer like MM daughter

maineman » 10 Sep 2024, 11:28 am » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2024, 11:28 am

" impede, obstruct, or influence the investigation"

They did no such thing,  Their investigation had been completed.

and it wasn't even a criminal investigation or a court proceeding.

****!!
They were ORDERED by the Speaker of the House TO PRESERVE ALL DOCUMENTATION FROM THE INVESTIGATION, AND THEY DEFIED THAT ORDER TO PROTECT THEIR LIES!
 

Why is it taking so long to bring them all to trial?

Zeets2 » 10 Sep 2024, 12:02 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2024, 12:02 pm

****!!
They were ORDERED by the Speaker of the House TO PRESERVE ALL DOCUMENTATION FROM THE INVESTIGATION, AND THEY DEFIED THAT ORDER TO PROTECT THEIR LIES!

ordered?  Whoopdedoo.

What law did they break?

I showed you where the law you stupidly quoted was absolutely off-point.  What other wild-*** guesses are you gonna throw at the wall?

maineman » 10 Sep 2024, 10:04 am » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2024, 10:04 am

One wonders why law-abiding United States citizens would ever push through barricades and assault police officers 
 

But it's OK to excuse ****** for failing to obey police commands?
Your mind is a complicated maze of contradictory statements and beliefs that amazes a normal human being.

BuckNaked » 10 Sep 2024, 12:15 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2024, 12:15 pm

Why is it taking so long to bring them all to trial?

Political prisoners have no rights according to Democrats.