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Russia has ALREADY LOST !  ...BECAUSE, as a WORST CASE scenario for Ukraine... THIS is the reality:

1)  The WORLD ALREADY KNOWS that the Russian military is NOT what they they were THOUGHT to be !

2)  Head to head, with the BEST the Russians had... against an under manned and under armed Ukrainian Army, with OUTDATED Western arms... UKRAINE HAS FOUGHT Russia to a DRAW... or BETTER !

3)  Finland and Sweden who were NEUTRAL before... are NOW PART of NATO !

4)  MOST NATO countries (including Germany, Poland, Finland and Sweden)... have doubled their Military budgets because of the WAR, and Russia's hostile acts... and


5)  NATO will find a way to help Ukraine DESTROY the Crimean bridge... cut the land bridge to Crimea, and FORCE Crimea to surrender !  and THEN...

6)  Russia will be FORCED to accept a cease fire with small territorial gains... AND, Ukraine WILL JOIN NATO !

7)  The Russian economy is TOAST... and RUSSIA will be fighting civil wars across Russia for YEARS... and likely be dismembered from within !

Russia will NEVER AGAIN be the same... it WILL NEVER be what it was, NOR EVER be what it hoped to become !   RED items = DONE... PURPLE items = AS GOOD as DONE... and the other items are LIKELY to occur SOON !

Q.E.D.

 
 

           
         
 

righteous » 19 Jul 2023, 8:06 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 8:06 pm

           
       

FACTS are FACTS, and TRUTH is TRUTH !!

I remember when Americans went ape **** from the mere suggestion that Russia was paying bounties for US troops in Afghanistan. While this proved to be baseless, Americans were outraged. Indignant. Very much vexed. Ukraine survives today because we have paid hundreds of billions for weapons, equipment, and intel. We directly and unabashedly paid bounties to kill Russian soldiers. Nothing about this conflict is a win for America.

THE WAGNER GROUP ENTERING WESTERN RUSSIA AND THE FEDERATION CLOSING IN FROM THE EAST OVER THE DNEIPER RIVER
UKRAINE WILL SOON BE CRUSHED

Wagner enters Western Ukraine - G. Prigozhin's speech to the Army of the "Orchestra: "We will make history - We start the largest operation in the world" - WarNews247


A SLAUGHTERHOUSE
Ukraine's US military instructor shocks: "Slaughterhouse the counterattack, horrific death toll" - WarNews247

Murica only makes 500 of the 155 arty shells per day. HAHA

Russia fires 30,000 per day.

Ukraine is PROXY COFFIN MEAT for WASH DC.   DEAD ***.


 

ConservativeWave » 19 Jul 2023, 8:00 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 8:00 pm

Russia has ALREADY LOST !  ...BECAUSE, as a WORST CASE scenario for Ukraine... THIS is the reality:

1)  The WORLD ALREADY KNOWS that the Russian military is NOT what they they were THOUGHT to be !

2)  Head to head, with the BEST the Russians had... against an under manned and under armed Ukrainian Army, with OUTDATED Western arms... UKRAINE HAS FOUGHT Russia to a DRAW... or BETTER !

3)  Finland and Sweden who were NEUTRAL before... are NOW PART of NATO !

4)  MOST NATO countries (including Germany, Poland, Finland and Sweden)... have doubled their Military budgets because of the WAR, and Russia's hostile acts... and

5)  NATO will find a way to help Ukraine DESTROY the Crimean bridge... cut the land bridge to Crimea, and FORCE Crimea to surrender !  and THEN...

6)  Russia will be FORCED to accept a cease fire with small territorial gains... AND, Ukraine WILL JOIN NATO !

7)  The Russian economy is TOAST... and RUSSIA will be fighting civil wars across Russia for YEARS... and likely be dismembered from within !

Russia will NEVER AGAIN be the same... it WILL NEVER be what it was, NOR EVER be what it hoped to become !   RED items = DONE... PURPLE items = AS GOOD as DONE... and the other items are LIKELY to occur SOON !

Q.E.D.

Agreed, but the war could drag on years.

Let’s talk strategy.

Russia invaded January 24, 2022.

Russia had already annexed the Crimea peninsula.  They have their Black Sea fleet at Sevastopol.

That fleet had access to blue water through nominally NATO Turkey, but who allowed the Dardanelles to be international waters.

Russia supplied Crimea by the Kerch bridge.

Russia invaded on two fronts.  The plan was the Northern Russian army would seize the capital Kyiv in a few days or a week, and the Eastern army would occupy already contested Eastern part of the Donbas.

The Northern Army was repelled and utterly routed.

But Russia still controls Crimea and most of the Donbas.

But the most unusual thing happened. Neither Ukraine nor Russia can operate ground attack aircraft.  All war planes seem to fly at over 30,000 feet.

The Russians have built a series of defensive trenches not seen since 1917.

And exactly like Germany in 1917 the entire free world is supplying an almost unlimited amount of superior weapons to Ukraine, who now has an army of over three times what they had on the first day of the war.

In the end Russia will feed hundreds of thousands of conscripts into a sheer hell of static warfare until they are gradually forced back.

And when the Ukrainians advance to within artillery range of the Kerch bridge, the Russian army in Crimea had better already have crossed over.

Ukraine will retake Crimea and join NATO the next day after hostilities end.

  

Sumela » 19 Jul 2023, 8:51 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 8:51 pm

Murica only makes 500 of the 155 arty shells per day. HAHA

Russia fires 30,000 per day.

Ukraine is PROXY COFFIN MEAT for WASH DC.   DEAD ***.

How many do they make per day? Sure as **** ain't 30,000.

DeezerShoove » 19 Jul 2023, 11:07 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 11:07 pm

How many do they make per day? Sure as **** ain't 30,000.

I didn’t realize the 155mm NATO standard shell dates to World War Two.

I have several boxes of WW2 surplus 45 ACP all dated 1944.  Every round goes bang, except I have  to clean the bore.

Before 2022, America was down to just one armory making the latest precision guided 155mm shells that cost $70,000 per shell.

Yes, it will take years to ramp up production of those.

But we’ve probably sent Ukraine two million 1940s surplus 155mm shells.


We may have 100 million in reserve.

And if you don’t think the 31 wealthy NATO nations can’t produce unlimited,,,,millions upon millions,,,of pointed propane bottles with 15 pounds of TNT you need to ask Japan about what a good idea it is not to ever bomb Pearl Harbor again.
 

ConservativeWave » 19 Jul 2023, 8:00 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 8:00 pm

Russia has ALREADY LOST !  ...BECAUSE, as a WORST CASE scenario for Ukraine... THIS is the reality:

1)  The WORLD ALREADY KNOWS that the Russian military is NOT what they they were THOUGHT to be !

2)  Head to head, with the BEST the Russians had... against an under manned and under armed Ukrainian Army, with OUTDATED Western arms... UKRAINE HAS FOUGHT Russia to a DRAW... or BETTER !

3)  Finland and Sweden who were NEUTRAL before... are NOW PART of NATO !

4)  MOST NATO countries (including Germany, Poland, Finland and Sweden)... have doubled their Military budgets because of the WAR, and Russia's hostile acts... and

5)  NATO will find a way to help Ukraine DESTROY the Crimean bridge... cut the land bridge to Crimea, and FORCE Crimea to surrender !  and THEN...

6)  Russia will be FORCED to accept a cease fire with small territorial gains... AND, Ukraine WILL JOIN NATO !

7)  The Russian economy is TOAST... and RUSSIA will be fighting civil wars across Russia for YEARS... and likely be dismembered from within !

Russia will NEVER AGAIN be the same... it WILL NEVER be what it was, NOR EVER be what it hoped to become !   RED items = DONE... PURPLE items = AS GOOD as DONE... and the other items are LIKELY to occur SOON !

Q.E.D.

So...I'm curious where you side in the Azerbaijan vs Armenia conflict...

ConservativeWave » 19 Jul 2023, 8:00 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 8:00 pm

Russia has ALREADY LOST !  ...BECAUSE, as a WORST CASE scenario for Ukraine... THIS is the reality:

1)  The WORLD ALREADY KNOWS that the Russian military is NOT what they they were THOUGHT to be !

2)  Head to head, with the BEST the Russians had... against an under manned and under armed Ukrainian Army, with OUTDATED Western arms... UKRAINE HAS FOUGHT Russia to a DRAW... or BETTER !

3)  Finland and Sweden who were NEUTRAL before... are NOW PART of NATO !

4)  MOST NATO countries (including Germany, Poland, Finland and Sweden)... have doubled their Military budgets because of the WAR, and Russia's hostile acts... and


5)  NATO will find a way to help Ukraine DESTROY the Crimean bridge... cut the land bridge to Crimea, and FORCE Crimea to surrender !  and THEN...

6)  Russia will be FORCED to accept a cease fire with small territorial gains... AND, Ukraine WILL JOIN NATO !

7)  The Russian economy is TOAST... and RUSSIA will be fighting civil wars across Russia for YEARS... and likely be dismembered from within !

Russia will NEVER AGAIN be the same... it WILL NEVER be what it was, NOR EVER be what it hoped to become !   RED items = DONE... PURPLE items = AS GOOD as DONE... and the other items are LIKELY to occur SOON !

Q.E.D.

 
 

Like it or not when this species intellectually chooses to destroy itself inside out every ancestry loses when ideologies collide into destroying each other over reasonable doubts now is eternity where genetics sustains eternal separation of remaining replacements living forward here.

ConservativeWave » 19 Jul 2023, 8:09 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 8:09 pm

FACTS are FACTS, and TRUTH is TRUTH !!

and I CAN handle the truth.. [insert Jack Nicholson quote]

Imgreatagain » 20 Jul 2023, 5:40 am » wrote: ↑

20 Jul 2023, 5:40 am

and I CAN handle the truth.. [insert Jack Nicholson quote]

Which kind truth? Actual self evident or factual made to believe possible.

Nostradamus'omh » 20 Jul 2023, 5:43 am » wrote: ↑

20 Jul 2023, 5:43 am

Which kind truth? Actual self evident or factual made to believe possible.

there is only one truth. There are not “versions” of truth 

Imgreatagain » 20 Jul 2023, 5:44 am » wrote: ↑

20 Jul 2023, 5:44 am

there is only one truth. There are not “versions” of truth 

Eternity has always been the moment evolving happens now for any reproduction native to its universal position alive in plain sight as "being" eternally separated when alive conceived to dead occupying space until decomposed since that is still part of evolving forward here time doesn't change anything.

Just sustains distance apart.

ConservativeWave » 19 Jul 2023, 8:00 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 8:00 pm

Russia has ALREADY LOST !  ...BECAUSE, as a WORST CASE scenario for Ukraine... THIS is the reality:

1)  The WORLD ALREADY KNOWS that the Russian military is NOT what they they were THOUGHT to be !

2)  Head to head, with the BEST the Russians had... against an under manned and under armed Ukrainian Army, with OUTDATED Western arms... UKRAINE HAS FOUGHT Russia to a DRAW... or BETTER !

3)  Finland and Sweden who were NEUTRAL before... are NOW PART of NATO !

4)  MOST NATO countries (including Germany, Poland, Finland and Sweden)... have doubled their Military budgets because of the WAR, and Russia's hostile acts... and

5)  NATO will find a way to help Ukraine DESTROY the Crimean bridge... cut the land bridge to Crimea, and FORCE Crimea to surrender !  and THEN...

6)  Russia will be FORCED to accept a cease fire with small territorial gains... AND, Ukraine WILL JOIN NATO !

7)  The Russian economy is TOAST... and RUSSIA will be fighting civil wars across Russia for YEARS... and likely be dismembered from within !

Russia will NEVER AGAIN be the same... it WILL NEVER be what it was, NOR EVER be what it hoped to become !   RED items = DONE... PURPLE items = AS GOOD as DONE... and the other items are LIKELY to occur SOON !

Q.E.D.
 

Separated into feudal conflict groups and marched into mine fields.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp05-RGTnBI

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0czQFkWCJI

Nostradamus'omh » 20 Jul 2023, 5:48 am » wrote: ↑

20 Jul 2023, 5:48 am

Eternity has always been the moment evolving happens now for any reproduction native to its universal position alive in plain sight as "being" eternally separated when alive conceived to dead occupying space until decomposed since that is still part of evolving forward here time doesn't change anything.

Just sustains distance apart.

reading your posts is like an elephant dart  to the face 

Imgreatagain » 20 Jul 2023, 5:40 am » wrote: ↑

20 Jul 2023, 5:40 am

and I CAN handle the truth.. [insert Jack Nicholson quote]

ok..

 


 

Jantje_Smit » 20 Jul 2023, 6:27 am » wrote: ↑

20 Jul 2023, 6:27 am

ok..

 

I just watched that the other day on reg TV. Edited. Not great without the “*** white uniform” quote