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WE THE PEOPLE paid for every bit of classified information the government withholds from us.  With the exception of the names of those people who are currently in foreign countries spying for us, and some military technology, there is no reason that every government document should not be declassified.  These documents belong to WE THE PEOPLE.  They work for us.  We paid for these documents and information.  It is ours.  Just like a company can force its employees to disclose everything they've been doing on company time, this power also belongs to WE, THE PEOPLE.

Skans » 21 Jul 2023, 10:32 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2023, 10:32 am

WE THE PEOPLE paid for every bit of classified information the government withholds from us.  With the exception of the names of those people who are currently in foreign countries spying for us, and some military technology, there is no reason that every government document should not be declassified.  These documents belong to WE THE PEOPLE.  They work for us.  We paid for these documents and information.  It is ours.  Just like a company can force its employees to disclose everything they've been doing on company time, this power also belongs to WE, THE PEOPLE.

What about military secrets?

Bruce » 21 Jul 2023, 10:33 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2023, 10:33 am

What about military secrets?

I would withhold certain military technology and, as I said, any information regarding the names of our personnel deployed in other countries.

However, all military endeavors need to be declassified.  Not right as they are engaged, but no less than 1 year after commencement. WE, THE PEOPLE have a right to know what our military has been doing - after all, WE'RE PAYING FOR IT.
 

Skans » 21 Jul 2023, 10:35 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2023, 10:35 am

I would withhold certain military technology and, as I said, any information regarding the names of our personnel deployed in other countries.

However, all military endeavors need to be declassified.  Not right as they are engaged, but no less than 1 year after commencement. WE, THE PEOPLE have a right to know what our military has been doing - after all, WE'RE PAYING FOR IT.

You’d get people put in the graveyard.

For example.

Our intelligence likely knew Wagner Group was planning a coup.

If Putin knew we knew he might wonder who snitched.

The very existence of information indicates it’s source.

 

Bruce » 21 Jul 2023, 11:13 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2023, 11:13 am

You’d get people put in the graveyard.

For example.

Our intelligence likely knew Wagner Group was planning a coup.

If Putin knew we knew he might wonder who snitched.

The very existence of information indicates it’s source.

I'm not saying that classified information needs to be distributed to the American public immediately, but within one year, that should suffice.

As for the Wagner Group, if they don't want the Americans to ever know what they were up to, then don't talk to Americans. That's on them, not us. 

Here's the deal, we the people have a right to know what our military is doing in other countries.  That's part of the check-and-balance system to make sure we are not poking our noses in **** that we shouldn't be.
 

Skans » 21 Jul 2023, 12:20 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2023, 12:20 pm

I'm not saying that classified information needs to be distributed to the American public immediately, but within one year, that should suffice.

As for the Wagner Group, if they don't want the Americans to ever know what they were up to, then don't talk to Americans. That's on them, not us. 

Here's the deal, we the people have a right to know what our military is doing in other countries.  That's part of the check-and-balance system to make sure we are not poking our noses in **** that we shouldn't be.

All the Zyclon B used in the camps was made by private contractors under official German contract processes.

FDR likely knew they were gassing Jews (plus as many Degenerate Christians as they could catch) and if he did nobody should EVER know.

Want to bomb a ball bearing factory or a railroad to a death camp?

Which will liberate the camps quicker?

The unseen wise men that classify secrets should be left alone. 

Only true Nation security. Not embarrassing secrets.

Bruce » 21 Jul 2023, 11:13 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2023, 11:13 am

You’d get people put in the graveyard.

For example.

Our intelligence likely knew Wagner Group was planning a coup.

If Putin knew we knew he might wonder who snitched.

The very existence of information indicates it’s source.

The media shouldn't release news for all the world to see.. Like repeating how we are running out of weapons. Keep your mouth SHUT!
Other then that- expose it.
right now they are talking about china hacking us.  AGAIN
oh great? we look totally STOOPID!
 

Bruce » 21 Jul 2023, 11:13 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2023, 11:13 am

You’d get people put in the graveyard.

For example.

Our intelligence likely knew Wagner Group was planning a coup.

If Putin knew we knew he might wonder who snitched.

The very existence of information indicates it’s source.

For example, if the people knew Democrats were fabricating a hoax with the participation of the FBI and social media to discredit Donald Trump.....we might not have a moron named Biden as President.

You mean like that?
 

Bruce » 21 Jul 2023, 12:42 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2023, 12:42 pm

All the Zyclon B used in the camps was made by private contractors under official German contract processes.

FDR likely knew they were gassing Jews (plus as many Degenerate Christians as they could catch) and if he did nobody should EVER know.
 

Why should We The People never know what our government is doing?  That's crazy.  This country of ours was established as a government of the people, by the people and for the people, whose just powers are derived from the consent of the governed.

All classified information and documents belongs to all of us.  If those handling that information need to delay its release for up to a year to protect something immediately happening, then so be it.  They get one year, and then it gets released.  That is how this country should operate!
 

sootedupCyndi » 21 Jul 2023, 12:55 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2023, 12:55 pm

The media shouldn't release news for all the world to see.. Like repeating how we are running out of weapons. Keep your mouth SHUT!
Other then that- expose it.
right now they are talking about china hacking us.  AGAIN
oh great? we look totally STOOPID!

The Russians can count.

Every one of the untold millions upon millions and millions of 155mm shells made since 1940 was on government bid.

Right now Biden is negotiating with Turkey to have Turkey put a ship beside every convoy of grain ships entering the Dardanelles.

If Biden has to send hookers and Cuban cigars ( and he might) he shouldn’t ever have to worry about it becoming  public.
 

Bruce » 21 Jul 2023, 1:09 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2023, 1:09 pm

The Russians can count.

Every one of the untold millions upon millions and millions of 155mm shells made since 1940 was on government bid.

Right now Biden is negotiating with Turkey to have Turkey put a ship beside every convoy of grain ships entering the Dardanelles.

If Biden has to send hookers and Cuban cigars ( and he might) he shouldn’t ever have to worry about it becoming  public.

  Sure the world can count.. exactly my point... them Russian hookers are hot!  

Skans » 21 Jul 2023, 10:32 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2023, 10:32 am

WE THE PEOPLE paid for every bit of classified information the government withholds from us.  With the exception of the names of those people who are currently in foreign countries spying for us, and some military technology, there is no reason that every government document should not be declassified.  These documents belong to WE THE PEOPLE.  They work for us.  We paid for these documents and information.  It is ours.  Just like a company can force its employees to disclose everything they've been doing on company time, this power also belongs to WE, THE PEOPLE.

You ever learn what makes living self evident? Absence of intellectually created reasonable doubt. Within evolving, there is no such date as tomorrow.

Bruce » 21 Jul 2023, 1:09 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2023, 1:09 pm

The Russians can count.

Every one of the untold millions upon millions and millions of 155mm shells made since 1940 was on government bid.

Right now Biden is negotiating with Turkey to have Turkey put a ship beside every convoy of grain ships entering the Dardanelles.

If Biden has to send hookers and Cuban cigars ( and he might) he shouldn’t ever have to worry about it becoming  public.

So, you want America to be ruled by a Dictator.  Not government of the people, by the people, FOR THE PEOPLE.  Got it.  I don't want your kind of government.  Not now.  Not ever.
 

Skans » 21 Jul 2023, 10:32 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2023, 10:32 am

WE THE PEOPLE paid for every bit of classified information the government withholds from us.  With the exception of the names of those people who are currently in foreign countries spying for us, and some military technology, there is no reason that every government document should not be declassified.  These documents belong to WE THE PEOPLE.  They work for us.  We paid for these documents and information.  It is ours.  Just like a company can force its employees to disclose everything they've been doing on company time, this power also belongs to WE, THE PEOPLE.

that is what presidential libraries are for.

Nostradamus'omh » 21 Jul 2023, 1:23 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2023, 1:23 pm

You ever learn what makes living self evident? Absence of intellectually created reasonable doubt. Within evolving, there is no such date as tomorrow.

Whoa!

Do you say there ought to be some group devoted to an illusion of certain reality?

A group that can convince most of the world the streets of heaven are paved with pure gold?

I certainly approve.


A group like that could churn out lots of good work with nothing but a pretty young girl and a video camera.

https://youtu.be/g3YZF-_oyMg

jerrab » 21 Jul 2023, 1:35 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2023, 1:35 pm

that is what presidential libraries are for.

That's ****.  There is nothing in the Declaration of Independence or Constitution about "Presidential Libraries".  We, the People are entitled to all classified information. It is ours.  The people that work for us owe us this information.  It is not "optional". What you are advocating for is a bureaucratic dictatorship.
 

Skans » 21 Jul 2023, 1:45 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2023, 1:45 pm

That's ****.  There is nothing in the Declaration of Independence or Constitution about "Presidential Libraries".  We, the People are entitled to all classified information. It is ours.  The people that work for us owe us this information.  It is not "optional". What you are advocating for is a bureaucratic dictatorship.

where in the constitution does it say we are entitled to have all classified information and a copy of all every single presidential record?

Skans » 21 Jul 2023, 10:32 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2023, 10:32 am

WE THE PEOPLE paid for every bit of classified information the government withholds from us.  With the exception of the names of those people who are currently in foreign countries spying for us, and some military technology, there is no reason that every government document should not be declassified.  These documents belong to WE THE PEOPLE.  They work for us.  We paid for these documents and information.  It is ours.  Just like a company can force its employees to disclose everything they've been doing on company time, this power also belongs to WE, THE PEOPLE.

So...you say "Nothing Should Be Classified...", then list things that should be classified.

Make up your mind.
 

Skans » 21 Jul 2023, 1:45 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2023, 1:45 pm

That's ****.  There is nothing in the Declaration of Independence or Constitution about "Presidential Libraries".  We, the People are entitled to all classified information. It is ours.  The people that work for us owe us this information.  It is not "optional". What you are advocating for is a bureaucratic dictatorship.

But "We, the People" have elected people to represent us and enact laws.  It could be rightfully argued that the people have decided that things should be classified because they haven't kicked the people who crafted the legislation classifying the information out on their ***.

Just because "You, the Person" don't like something doesn't mean "We, the People" agree with you.