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Jantje_Smit » 16 Aug 2023, 9:32 am » wrote: ↑

16 Aug 2023, 9:32 am

Those people didn't see a plane, they said they saw a plane, not exactly the same thing..

Too bad none of those people took a picture

 

         1.   "Those people didn't see a plane":  And which seems more plausible & credible ---- the 100 pairs of eyes that said they saw a Plane --- or the ZERO eyes that saw a Missile that morning? 

         2.    Too bad no one told them get your Cameras ready to take a picture of a hijacked Boeing 757 flying at 550 MPH at you... 
 

Vegas » 16 Aug 2023, 12:20 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Aug 2023, 12:20 pm

  No coward. You can't handle a little opposition to your views. That's your issue. Where are the pics of the plane hitting the building from any one of the 80 cameras from the pentagon...especially the one right above the crash? Kobia's pics were pics of plane pieces. None of them showed to be from the pentagon. Try again.

             Every one of those Pictures was sourced---- they were taken at the Pentagon, along with who took & provided the pictures..... You seem to bounce back & forth in your retort to this evidence ... 

            On one hand you claim all the physical evidence at the Pentagon including Boeing 757 Aircraft parts & debris -- Flight 77's Two Flight Recorders ---  charred human remains from the passengers & crew of American Airlines Flight 77 -- and personal belongings & effects identified by and returned to family members of such people  had been planted there --- and at other times insist it had never been there at all.
    

Vegas » 16 Aug 2023, 12:59 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Aug 2023, 12:59 pm

I am leaning more to the idea that yes, they existed. I know I said no earlier, but I was being rash. It would make a lot more sense if their plane was shot down over the ocean. A missile is far more believable than a 757 being flown by an amateur with barely any flight hours and could hit a ground target with such precision. The towers are easy targets. A building on the ground level? No way.

           If Flight 77 was shot down 'over the Ocean"..... It raises some questions which need to be answered... 

1.   How were the charred corpses, limbs, bone fragments, pieces of flesh of the passengers & crew recovered from the ocean depths, and by whom?
2.   Do you find it plausible that some Covert Black-Ops Divers were on standby and deployed for such a mission? 
3.  What do you believe would be the logistics involved in retrieving and transporting these human remains, personal effects, and the Plane's Flight Recorders from the sea bed to the Pentagon ? 
​​​​​​​4. The Forensic Anthropologists at Dover described the body parts & human remains brought to them in the 200 body bags from the Temporary Morgue in the Pentagon's North Parking Lot as charred and reeking of jet fuel.... How can this be if they had been marinating in the Atlantic?
 

Vegas » 16 Aug 2023, 4:06 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Aug 2023, 4:06 pm

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Kobia has been awesome. He has answered every one of my questions. Though, I believe his evidence is testimonial, incomplete, and solely based on the 9/11 commission report narrative, which was fed to all of us, I do believe he made great points. Especially, the lamp posts. 
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           I appreciate the compliment my friend...
But regarding the 9/11 Report, I'd never read it prior to this debate Thread.. I am basing my beliefs / conclusions on the preponderance of the evidence -- rather than in support of one side's narrative, or denial of the other's... It's the best way to see things objectively...  The only reason I did a quick search and lookover of it was when you mentioned in the Report that Flight 77 had hit the ground (grass in front of the Bldg.) before impacting the Building, and that there should have been scorch marks or possibly Tire impressions in the ground where it had done so...

         I disagreed with this, and read that part of the 9/11 Report covering the attack on the Pentagon... I saw nothing in there stating the Plane impacted the Ground before striking the Building... I posted a Link to the Report,  and said for you to take a look and see if perhaps I had missed something..... The Plane struck between the first & second floors... Many people have the misconception the Pentagon as being a one Story Building, which it is not.... It is a 5 Story structure.
 

Vegas » 16 Aug 2023, 4:06 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Aug 2023, 4:06 pm

I am actually good if Deezer locks it. We have all been at a stalemate since 70 pages ago.   

Kobia has been awesome. He has answered every one of my questions. Though, I believe his evidence is testimonial, incomplete, and solely based on the 9/11 commission report narrative, which was fed to all of us, I do believe he made great points. Especially, the lamp posts. 

Z09...well, what can I say?   :rofl:   :rofl: Between hiding behind questions, refusing to answer mine, and copy/pasting the same redundant ****, I felt like I was talking to BlackVegtable again. 

Agreeing to disagree perpetuates reasonable doubt for every generation added forward. It is how the long game of denying life in plain sight is governed from within the species itself.

Chain of command scenario between leaderships and fellowships sacrificing their biological time to believe relative time logistics is superior to adapting in space itself one at a time.

When debating between left and right on a rotating horizontal plane where all 4 corners are equally separated by north and south halves who ranks top down and which is bottom up between north, south, east, west, midnight, dawn, noon, dusk, Polaris, Southern Cross while evolving in plain sight one at a time genetics maintains eternal separation of the active population limited naturally to this atmosphere now?

Stalemate is intellectual programming of hypothetical possibilities acted out historically and recorded incontext to be used against each added ancestor arrived already here as each great great grandchild specifically replacing their own 62 previous donors of their unique chromosome content.

Simple rule of 72 applied to chromosomes not money. Take away 24/7 and time never changed anything universally existed or existing. Perpetual motion is energized by contracting combinations eroding inorganic results into expanding organic combinations that die and decompose the nuclei of their cellular composition back into periodic elements of 3 characteristics to the periodic table.

complete cycles no missing links invented by speculating now isn't eternity and genetics eternally separates the specific numbers occupying time here now.

Self evident. Instincts navigate and intellect covers up ancestrally. Hell of a combination.

Z09 » 17 Aug 2023, 5:15 am » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2023, 5:15 am

# 2 That's a great point.....

Anybody with the resources to pull of this crime never bothered having someone take a PHOTO of a plane...?
Instead they had hundreds of people lying about seeing a plane and after 22 years nobody has come forward and said they lied?

Remote controlled airplanes....
Scuba divers breaking back dead bodies to the Pentagon...
Plane parts being dropped off that morning infront of news reporters and security..
Area 51

The entire idea is friggin dumb

                What's also bizzare is if Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon, killing all onboard on the morning of 9/11--- it would probably be the greatest disappearance story in the history of Aviation --- perhaps only 2nd to the vanishing of Amelia Earhart  in 1937... The Inside-Jobbers seem to love a good mystery (fantasy might be a better depiction) ----but any & all interest & investigation from them regarding what happened to Flight 77, its passengers & crew ends at their theory it was a missile that struck the Pentagon... Just a side note ...

                 


 
 

Vegas » 22 Jul 2023, 12:05 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jul 2023, 12:05 pm

I have started many threads about this...well, here is another one. 

Pentagon: Where is the **** plane? 
Building 7: What the **** caused that collapse? It wasn't hit. And building fires don't cause a straight down collapse...they just  burn.
Twin Towers: Engineers have repeatedly said that the impacts of the plane and jet fuel could not take down those towers, especially straight down like that. 
Amateur pilots: How the hell can 19 rag heads, with barely any flight experience, fly those gigantic planes with such precision?

hell, I can't convince anyone that 2020 election wasn't a inside job!

Z09 » 16 Aug 2023, 9:41 am » wrote: ↑

16 Aug 2023, 9:41 am

So tell us...
How could all these people claim they saw a plane and not a single one saw a missile?

So tell me..

Why do you keep asking the same questions over and over again when I already told you a few times?


 

 

Kobia2 » 16 Aug 2023, 9:20 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Aug 2023, 9:20 pm

           If Flight 77 was shot down 'over the Ocean"..... It raises some questions which need to be answered... 

1.   How were the charred corpses, limbs, bone fragments, pieces of flesh of the passengers & crew recovered from the ocean depths, and by whom?
2.   Do you find it plausible that some Covert Black-Ops Divers were on standby and deployed for such a mission? 
3.  What do you believe would be the logistics involved in retrieving and transporting these human remains, personal effects, and the Plane's Flight Recorders from the sea bed to the Pentagon ? 
4. The Forensic Anthropologists at Dover described the body parts & human remains brought to them in the 200 body bags from the Temporary Morgue in the Pentagon's North Parking Lot as charred and reeking of jet fuel.... How can this be if they had been marinating in the Atlantic?
 

1. Like I said, no remains were found. There was said to be remains from the pentagon. That's a narrative. It's not hard to say that. Keep in mind that it's not difficult to believe that experts, and any other 'trusted authority' to lie. It's sad, yes. However, it's not unreasonable to believe that. For example, look at all the scientists, researchers, and officials who have kept the global warming and Covid hoax alive? 97% of scientists believe that humans are the cause of global warming, etc...Why would 97% of Phd scientists lie? Well...they did lie, and they still are lying. 

2. I think America has done this sort of thing many times already, prior to 9/11, and after. It's just usually done to other countries and we don't hear about it. 

3. See number 1. 

4. See number 1. 

Kobia2 » 16 Aug 2023, 8:44 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Aug 2023, 8:44 pm

             Every one of those Pictures was sourced---- they were taken at the Pentagon, along with who took & provided the pictures..... You seem to bounce back & forth in your retort to this evidence ... 

            On one hand you claim all the physical evidence at the Pentagon including Boeing 757 Aircraft parts & debris -- Flight 77's Two Flight Recorders ---  charred human remains from the passengers & crew of American Airlines Flight 77 -- and personal belongings & effects identified by and returned to family members of such people  had been planted there --- and at other times insist it had never been there at all.
    

I am talking about the cameras on the pentagon. Not the pics from photographers. 

Rock » 16 Aug 2023, 11:20 am » wrote: ↑

16 Aug 2023, 11:20 am

I have no answer to as why there's no pic of the plane hitting the Pentagon. I also have no doubt that a plane did hit it. There's tons more evidence that that happened than that a missile hit it. There's zero evidence that that happened. Only conspiracy theories spewed by the same people who think the earth is flat, man never walked on the moon, or that birds aren't real.

So you have no answer but at the same time you seem to think that isn't a problem.. don't you find it even a little bit suspicious that there are no pictures when there are cameras clearly visible on top of the Pentagon looking out over the side where the (supposed) plane hit the building.. not to mention that (fake) FBI agents were there in minutes to confiscate the security tapes of buildings overlooking the Pentagon?

And you don't have tons of evidence.. lol.. that's another funny thing, the plane just went op in smoke.. literally..

Oh, and I don't think the earth is flat.. and birds are real.. most of them..

 
 
 
 

Kobia2 » 16 Aug 2023, 8:08 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Aug 2023, 8:08 pm

                I have no idea, if you do please explain..... I have no idea what direction they were pointed at, and what they were to surveile, do you?..  I have no idea if it was a motion sensor High-Speed camera system, designed to capture Jets traveling 550 MPH at the building or not do you? --- I've heard you state YOU believe they did, so present you proof... Below is the Link to my source regarding the 85 Cameras at the Pentagon (and the 1 taken from the Gas station across the highway, their positioning, and capabilities  

I believe I told you before that's a lot of ****, 85 cameras and only one managed to capture one blurry frame.. lol.. it's the Pentagon, they have spy satellites that can read a number plate from space (even back in 2001) but they can't afford better security cameras than 480p at one frame a second.. lol.. and how come your site doesn't mention the camera almost right above the hole, was that looking the wrong direction too..

What I do know is if such clear, high resolution pictures or video footage of American Airlines Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon existed and had been released to the public, it would have been denied or dismissed by the Inside-Jobbers / Conspiracy Theorists just like every other single piece of evidence has been... Here's what we most likely would be hearing from your side of the fence on this thread:

Oh, please.. I posted this a few times before but it's a perfectly reasonable question and somehow it's impossible to get a stright answer..

 



 
 

Jantje_Smit » 17 Aug 2023, 11:10 am » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2023, 11:10 am

Oh, please.. I posted this a few times before but it's a perfectly reasonable question and somehow it's impossible to get a stright answer..

 


 

Well whatever you do, don't ask Z09. She wouldn't answer a question if her life depended on it.   

Jantje_Smit » 17 Aug 2023, 9:45 am » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2023, 9:45 am

So you have no answer but at the same time you seem to think that isn't a problem.. don't you find it even a little bit suspicious that there are no pictures when there are cameras clearly visible on top of the Pentagon looking out over the side where the (supposed) plane hit the building.. not to mention that (fake) FBI agents were there in minutes to confiscate the security tapes of buildings overlooking the Pentagon?

And you don't have tons of evidence.. lol.. that's another funny thing, the plane just went op in smoke.. literally..

Oh, and I don't think the earth is flat.. and birds are real.. most of them..

 
 
 

Do I find it suspicious that there are no pics? No. Curious? Sure. 

And the plane did, literally, go up in smoke. After it burned up after impact. Most of it anyway. There are several pics of it that have been presented. That you don't believe they're real is a you problem.

Rock » 17 Aug 2023, 11:54 am » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2023, 11:54 am

Do I find it suspicious that there are no pics? No. Curious? Sure. 

And the plane did, literally, go up in smoke. After it burned up after impact. Most of it anyway. There are several pics of it that have been presented. That you don't believe they're real is a you problem.

The pics presented doesn't show that they were from the pentagon. We are only told that they were. See the difference yet?

Vegas » 17 Aug 2023, 11:58 am » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2023, 11:58 am

The pics presented doesn't show that they were from the pentagon. We are only told that they were. See the difference yet?

And if you were shown pics that were certified 100% to be from the Pentagon you still would say they were fake. Why do I say that? Because every bit of evidence shown by Kobia has been poo pooed by you. So what are we supposed to do?

Rock » 17 Aug 2023, 3:45 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2023, 3:45 pm

And if you were shown pics that were certified 100% to be from the Pentagon you still would say they were fake. Why do I say that? Because every bit of evidence shown by Kobia has been poo pooed by you. So what are we supposed to do?

No, I wouldn't. 

Every pic Kobia has shown me hasn't been shown to come from the pentagon. It has only been "said" to come from the pentagon. This isn't a hard concept to understand. Do you need me to get the crayons out? 

Z09 » 17 Aug 2023, 4:15 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2023, 4:15 pm

It might be easier for you to show us evidence it was a missile

It would even be easier to show us the evidence that these plane pieces came from the pentagon, rather than just 'hearing' that they did. 

Good luck. 


Prediction
Testimonies of witnesses in 3...2...1....  

 

Vegas » 15 Aug 2023, 8:54 am » wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2023, 8:54 am

Hitting mountains and taking nose dives doesn't validate my claims? Okay.

Nope.  Just like your claims that the pictures you've been shown were misrepresented. 

 

Jantje_Smit » 17 Aug 2023, 11:10 am » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2023, 11:10 am

I believe I told you before that's a lot of ****, 85 cameras and only one managed to capture one blurry frame.. lol.. it's the Pentagon, they have spy satellites that can read a number plate from space (even back in 2001) but they can't afford better security cameras than 480p at one frame a second.. lol.. and how come your site doesn't mention the camera almost right above the hole, was that looking the wrong direction too..

Oh, please.. I posted this a few times before but it's a perfectly reasonable question and somehow it's impossible to get a stright answer..

 


 

     I told you before I didn't know with 100% certainty (and neither do you), that's your answer... The information I researched and sourced was the best answer I could find regarding placement and type of cameras which were in use at the Pentagon on 9/11 2001....  

      If you believe the Pentagon was equipped with different cameras as part of their surveillance system, then that information should be out there for you to find and share with the rest of us... I would be fine with that, and imagine you could find a credible counter-source to support your assertions ... Apparently you believe the Building would have been equipped with HIgh-Altitude Aerial Reconnaissance cameras mounted to its exterior walls, similar to those designed & used by our U2 or SR-71 spy planes that can read 'License Plates" from space...  Crying "****" is not an argument, nor is it a substitute for the time spent doing some of your own research...