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9/11 was an inside job. Change my mind.
9/11 was an inside job. Change my mind.
By Vegas
22 Jul 2023 12:05 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
17 Aug 2023 10:14 pm
I'm just making sure I'm understanding you here regarding the the Victims of Flight 77 --- which you assert were murdered by entities within our Government.... You are saying there were no remains of the Passengers & Crew of Flight 77 at any time at / or recovered from the Pentagon.?Vegas » 17 Aug 2023, 9:10 am » wrote: ↑ 1. Like I said, no remains were found. There was said to be remains from the pentagon. That's a narrative. It's not hard to say that. Keep in mind that it's not difficult to believe that experts, and any other 'trusted authority' to lie. It's sad, yes. However, it's not unreasonable to believe that. For example, look at all the scientists, researchers, and officials who have kept the global warming and Covid hoax alive? 97% of scientists believe that humans are the cause of global warming, etc...Why would 97% of Phd scientists lie? Well...they did lie, and they still are lying.
2. I think America has done this sort of thing many times already, prior to 9/11, and after. It's just usually done to other countries and we don't hear about it.
3. See number 1.
4. See number 1.
Yesterday you acknowledged the Passengers & Crew of Flight 77 were actually real people who existed --- that boarded American Airlines Flight 77, but whom perished when their Plane was shot down over the Atlantic Ocean.... Are you stating those who perished on Flight 77 were never retrieved from the Depths, and were never brought to Dover Air Base for identification? There were over 100 Members of the Forensic Anthropologist team at Dover, who handled these fuel reeking & charred corpses, body parts, and pieces of bone & flesh --- which they used to identify through DNA, from sample collected from family members of the victims.. For your narrative to be true, all involved in the handling & identification of these remains at Dover Air Base are also co-conspirators, complicit in the cover-up of these people's murders by our Government...
2. Al Qaida has also done this sort of thing to us many times ----- Riyadh military training facility in Saudi Arabia killing 5 US Servicemen, injuring 60 others... Khobar Towers Saudi Arabia killing 19 US Servicemen & injuring over 400... The bombings of US Embassies in Kenya & Tanzania killing 224 and injuring 5000... The USS Cole bombing killing 19 American Sailors...
Let's not forget the first World Trade Center attack of 1993 killing 6 Americans and wounded 1000.... It really should be difficult to fathom a terrorist organization attacking a target they had previously targeted, and vowed they would attack again..
18 Aug 2023 4:21 am
lol.. ok, I guess I can't argue with that, there should be pictures but there arent', nothing suspicious about that, just take the government's word for it, did they ever lie to you before?Rock » 17 Aug 2023, 11:54 am » wrote: ↑ Do I find it suspicious that there are no pics? No. Curious? Sure.
Oh, I believe the pictures are real, it's what's not on the pictures that is the problem..And the plane did, literally, go up in smoke. After it burned up after impact. Most of it anyway. There are several pics of it that have been presented. That you don't believe they're real is a you problem.
Planes don't just go up in smoke, especially not the engines, I could ask you if you don't find that a bit suspicious but let's not go there..
In memory of Pumpkins
18 Aug 2023 4:30 am
Jantje_Smit » 18 Aug 2023, 4:21 am » wrote: ↑ lol.. ok, I guess I can't argue with that, there should be pictures but there arent', nothing suspicious about that, just take the government's word for it, did they ever lie to you before?
Oh, I believe the pictures are real, it's what's not on the pictures that is the problem..
Planes don't just go up in smoke, especially not the engines, I could ask you if you don't find that a bit suspicious but let's not go there..
18 Aug 2023 4:57 am
Actually, you didn't.. I could tell you to click back a few posts but you would just ignore that.. you will ignore this too of course but it's just fun to point it out..Z09 » 17 Aug 2023, 12:11 pm » wrote: ↑ Actually..
I was asking Vegas...
You already stated the plane was crashed into the ocean or went to Area 51....
In memory of Pumpkins
18 Aug 2023 5:38 am
I'm not crying ****, I explained why it is ****, I showed you pictures of the cameras on top of the Pentagon on the side where the plane (cruise missile) hit, there is simply no way there couldn't be any pictures.. your 'research' site ignores that fact too.. I still haven't heard a credible explanation for that..Kobia2 » 17 Aug 2023, 9:35 pm » wrote: ↑ I told you before I didn't know with 100% certainty (and neither do you), that's your answer... The information I researched and sourced was the best answer I could find regarding placement and type of cameras which were in use at the Pentagon on 9/11 2001....
If you believe the Pentagon was equipped with different cameras as part of their surveillance system, then that information should be out there for you to find and share with the rest of us... I would be fine with that, and imagine you could find a credible counter-source to support your assertions ... Apparently you believe the Building would have been equipped with HIgh-Altitude Aerial Reconnaissance cameras mounted to its exterior walls, similar to those designed & used by our U2 or SR-71 spy planes that can read 'License Plates" from space... Crying "****" is not an argument, nor is it a substitute for the time spent doing some of your own research...
In memory of Pumpkins
18 Aug 2023 6:00 am
This what a jet engine looks like after a crash, can you spot the differences?
In memory of Pumpkins
18 Aug 2023 6:16 am
I found this one for Rock, funny how the engine size seems to match that engine part they found at the Pentagon..Z09 » 18 Aug 2023, 5:51 am » wrote: ↑ Any witnesses, photos or debris saying it was a missile?
You say the missile was fired off from a military base.
And no one noticed?
Seriously?
In memory of Pumpkins
18 Aug 2023 7:05 am
I get the feeling we have been here before..Z09 » 18 Aug 2023, 6:21 am » wrote: ↑ Simple..
Do you have any evidence it was a missile?
Anything?
Debris
Footage
Reports of a missile being shot off
Witnesses
You stated the missile was shot off from a 1000 miles away...
That would mean a cruise missile was shot off before any hijackings.
And no one noticed a cruise missile for 2 hours??
Norad?
How about Air Traffic Controllers?
Maybe someone just walking their dog?
There's no evidence of any cruise missile.
Period
Jantje_Smit » 17 Aug 2023, 9:10 am » wrote: ↑ So tell me..
Why do you keep asking the same questions over and over again when I already told you a few times?
In memory of Pumpkins
18 Aug 2023 7:12 am
18 Aug 2023 8:44 am
There are the missing pictures and the missing plane wreckage and something clearly made a big hole in the Pentagon, it wasn't a plane so a cruise missile is the logical option, that's what fits the (suspiciously missing) evidence, a plane doesn't..Z09 » 18 Aug 2023, 8:01 am » wrote: ↑ And you still have zero evidence of any cruise missile
Nothing!
Remote controlled airplanes...
Area 51
Now that's funny
I don't have to prove a cruise missile hit the Pentagon, that's not how conspiracy theories work, I only have to make a good case for it, if I could prove it that would make it a conspiracy fact.. you on the other hand, claim that it is a fact a plane hit the Pentagon so you're the one that has to come up with evidence.. or come up with a credible explanation why it is lacking...
In memory of Pumpkins
18 Aug 2023 8:44 am
Again, as I stated before, this is no longer the good old days where experts, scientists, and researchers could be taken seriously and carried serious weight. It's sad, but they have proven to sell out before. I gave examples of that already, such as the 97% scientists on climate change, the docs regarding the Covid hoax, and now even docto0rs justifying genital mutilation of kids. You continue to say 100s of forensic anthropologists, and other scientists, etc...Given that scientists have proven to sell out, I can't take that seriously.Kobia2 » 17 Aug 2023, 10:14 pm » wrote: ↑
Yesterday you acknowledged the Passengers & Crew of Flight 77 were actually real people who existed --- that boarded American Airlines Flight 77, but whom perished when their Plane was shot down over the Atlantic Ocean.... Are you stating those who perished on Flight 77 were never retrieved from the Depths, and were never brought to Dover Air Base for identification? There were over 100 Members of the Forensic Anthropologist team at Dover, who handled these fuel reeking & charred corpses, body parts, and pieces of bone & flesh --- which they used to identify through DNA, from sample collected from family members of the victims.. For your narrative to be true, all involved in the handling & identification of these remains at Dover Air Base are also co-conspirators, complicit in the cover-up of these people's murders by our Government...
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18 Aug 2023 8:45 am
golfboy » 17 Aug 2023, 8:26 pm » wrote: ↑ Nope. Just like your claims that the pictures you've been shown were misrepresented.
Those pics were never shown to be from the pentagon. They were pics of plane pieces. Nothing proves they were from the pentagon.
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JohnEdgarSlowHorses » Today, 7:28 pm » wrote: ↑Today, 7:28 pm
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18 Aug 2023 8:47 am
First line ^^^. Didn't answer my question. Therefore, I didn't bother with the rest of your garbage.
The fact they you still spend time out of your life, that you will never get back, writing further than your first line proves that you are a moron.
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JohnEdgarSlowHorses » Today, 7:28 pm » wrote: ↑Today, 7:28 pm
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18 Aug 2023 8:54 am
Hey @Kobia2 @Z09
@Jantje_Smit and I have asked about a million times now to address the part of 80 cameras on the pentagon, that were confiscated. But you keep deflecting. Cameras are much better witnesses than people. I don't care if there were 5,000 human witnesses. I will take the cameras over them any day. Any small chance that you guys may want to give a credible explanation as to why those vids were confiscated?
And z09, remember I will only read your first line. If it doesn't answer my question, then I don't even bother with the rest of your cowardice.
@Jantje_Smit and I have asked about a million times now to address the part of 80 cameras on the pentagon, that were confiscated. But you keep deflecting. Cameras are much better witnesses than people. I don't care if there were 5,000 human witnesses. I will take the cameras over them any day. Any small chance that you guys may want to give a credible explanation as to why those vids were confiscated?
And z09, remember I will only read your first line. If it doesn't answer my question, then I don't even bother with the rest of your cowardice.
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JohnEdgarSlowHorses » Today, 7:28 pm » wrote: ↑Today, 7:28 pm
JohnEdgarSlowHorses » Today, 7:28 pm » wrote: ↑Today, 7:28 pm
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18 Aug 2023 9:15 am
I know where your mind came from. Art and reality debate and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6EJxYNQxvw.
Second verse, same as the first.
18 Aug 2023 1:36 pm
Read my posts #1655, and #1679.... Perhaps you and Jante can collectively discover the type of Security camera system and its capabilities which were in place at the Pentagon, then share that with the rest of us.... I have already done so regarding what I was able to find pertaining to the Pentagon Surveillance system... I have done much research to provided every piece of information which supports my belief in the events which occurred at the Pentagon that morning... I've deflected nothing..Vegas » 18 Aug 2023, 8:54 am » wrote: ↑ Hey @Kobia2 @Z09
@Jantje_Smit and I have asked about a million times now to address the part of 80 cameras on the pentagon, that were confiscated. But you keep deflecting. Cameras are much better witnesses than people. I don't care if there were 5,000 human witnesses. I will take the cameras over them any day. Any small chance that you guys may want to give a credible explanation as to why those vids were confiscated?
And z09, remember I will only read your first line. If it doesn't answer my question, then I don't even bother with the rest of your cowardice.
You on the other hand have tossed around one completely unsubstantiated claim / theory after another which would support your assertion a Missile was fired at & struck the Pentagon, by entities from our own government... Many such scenarios you've suggested, such as & up until the last day or two that the passengers & crew of Flight 77, along with the American Airlines Boeing 757 which they flew on simply never existed --- absolutely preposterous, bordering on sheer lunacy.. You've offered nothing other than "it must have been this -- or -- "it couldn't have been that" .. Then when asked to provide any proof, evidence, credible collaborating witnesses, a whistleblower, or even a remotely plausible alternative to Flight 77 hitting the building, your retort is YOU just don't have to... So basically, you are under the colossally misguided understanding that you get to hurl every kind of crap imaginable at the wall, and don't have to clean up anything that doesn't stick (and nothing you've thrown has stuck)... I think you should reflect on this before calling others a "coward"...
18 Aug 2023 1:41 pm
.Vegas » 22 Jul 2023, 12:05 pm » wrote: ↑ .
Amateur pilots: How the hell can 19 rag heads, with barely any flight experience, fly those gigantic planes with such precision?
Autopilot and computers ?
ultraliberals are not happy unless they are obsessing about something.
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18 Aug 2023 2:09 pm
Jantje_Smit » 18 Aug 2023, 5:38 am » wrote: ↑ I'm not crying ****, I explained why it is ****, I showed you pictures of the cameras on top of the Pentagon on the side where the plane (cruise missile) hit, there is simply no way there couldn't be any pictures.. your 'research' site ignores that fact too.. I still haven't heard a credible explanation for that..
You're demanding clear photos & video footage of Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon --- but you yourself cannot provide a clear picture of the cameras on top of the Pentagon that you insist should have had the capabilities of the High Speed Reconnaissance cameras that are carried on our U2s , SR-71s, Drones or Spy Satellites... The photo you provided is the one commonly circulated, which is an ariel view from several hundred yards away from the Building / Roof --- and simply has numbers which are circled superimposed on the photo... Can you actually see those mounted cameras, let alone identify them?
Neither you nor I have any idea whatsoever specifically the type of cameras those were, or what they could or could not do .... I provided you 1 of several sources which basically stated the same thing regarding what those security cameras were designed to do.. They said the cameras in place were wide angle, with slow shutter speed.... LIke I said, I'm remaining open minded on this part of the events --- if you can find a source which substantiates your belief of the type of Security / Surveillance cameras in use that day at the Pentagon, please share the link...
18 Aug 2023 2:11 pm
Doesn't matter. Two things:Kobia2 » 18 Aug 2023, 1:36 pm » wrote: ↑ Read my posts #1655, and #1679.... Perhaps you and Jante can collectively discover the type of Security camera system and its capabilities which were in place at the Pentagon, then share that with the rest of us....
1. Let's assume they were all 1 frame per second. Who cares? Out of 80, we would see something.
2. Why were all 80- confiscated?
I never deflected. I am just simply not convinced of the narrative that you and the government have displayed. I already went over why I don't believe in those pics. I genuinely don't want to repeat that anymore.
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JohnEdgarSlowHorses » Today, 7:28 pm » wrote: ↑Today, 7:28 pm
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18 Aug 2023 3:36 pm
Well. You got your *** kicked again. Maybe you should rename the OP from “Change my mind” to “I won’t believe anything you throw out there”. I’ll repeat one of my original theories which is that you’re trolling us.Vegas » 18 Aug 2023, 2:11 pm » wrote: ↑ Doesn't matter. Two things:
1. Let's assume they were all 1 frame per second. Who cares? Out of 80, we would see something.
2. Why were all 80- confiscated?
I never deflected. I am just simply not convinced of the narrative that you and the government have displayed. I already went over why I don't believe in those pics. I genuinely don't want to repeat that anymore.
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