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golfboy » 17 Aug 2023, 8:26 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2023, 8:26 pm

Nope.  Just like your claims that the pictures you've been shown were misrepresented.

Those pics were never shown to be from the pentagon. They were pics of plane pieces. Nothing proves they were from the pentagon. 

Z09 » 17 Aug 2023, 4:42 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2023, 4:42 pm

You say a missile hit the Pentagon..

 

First line ^^^. Didn't answer my question. Therefore, I didn't bother with the rest of your garbage. 

The fact they you still spend time out of your life, that you will never get back, writing further than your first line proves that you are a moron. 

Hey @Kobia2  ​​​​@Z09  

@Jantje_Smit  and I have asked about a million times now to address the part of 80 cameras on the pentagon, that were confiscated. But you keep deflecting. Cameras are much better witnesses than people. I don't care if there were 5,000 human witnesses. I will take the cameras over them any day. Any small chance that you guys may want to give a credible explanation as to why those vids were confiscated? 


And z09, remember I will only read your first line. If it doesn't answer my question, then I don't even bother with the rest of your cowardice. 

Mrkelly » 18 Aug 2023, 7:12 am » wrote: ↑

18 Aug 2023, 7:12 am

Second verse , same as the first

I know where your mind came from. Art and reality debate and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6EJxYNQxvw.

Second verse, same as the first.

Vegas » 18 Aug 2023, 8:54 am » wrote: ↑

18 Aug 2023, 8:54 am

Hey @Kobia2  ​​​​@Z09  

@Jantje_Smit  and I have asked about a million times now to address the part of 80 cameras on the pentagon, that were confiscated. But you keep deflecting. Cameras are much better witnesses than people. I don't care if there were 5,000 human witnesses. I will take the cameras over them any day. Any small chance that you guys may want to give a credible explanation as to why those vids were confiscated? 

And z09, remember I will only read your first line. If it doesn't answer my question, then I don't even bother with the rest of your cowardice.

       Read my posts #1655, and #1679.... Perhaps you and Jante can collectively discover the type of Security camera system and its capabilities which were in place at the Pentagon, then share that with the rest of us.... I have already done so regarding what I was able to find pertaining to the Pentagon Surveillance system...  I have done much research to provided every piece of information which supports my belief in the events which occurred at the Pentagon that morning...   I've deflected nothing.. 

      You on the other hand have tossed around one completely unsubstantiated claim / theory after another which would support your assertion a Missile was fired at & struck the Pentagon, by entities from our own government... Many such scenarios you've suggested, such as & up until the last day or two that the passengers & crew of Flight 77, along with the American Airlines Boeing 757 which they flew on simply never existed --- absolutely preposterous, bordering on sheer lunacy..  You've offered nothing other than "it must have been this -- or -- "it couldn't have been that" ..  Then when asked to provide any proof, evidence, credible collaborating witnesses, a whistleblower,  or even a remotely plausible alternative to Flight 77 hitting the building, your retort is YOU just don't have to... So basically, you are under the colossally misguided understanding that you get to hurl every kind of crap imaginable at the wall, and don't have to clean up anything that doesn't stick (and nothing you've thrown has stuck)...  I think you should reflect on this before calling others a "coward"... 

       

      

           

Vegas » 22 Jul 2023, 12:05 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jul 2023, 12:05 pm

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Amateur pilots: How the hell can 19 rag heads, with barely any flight experience, fly those gigantic planes with such precision?

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Autopilot and computers ?
 

Jantje_Smit » 18 Aug 2023, 5:38 am » wrote: ↑

18 Aug 2023, 5:38 am

I'm not crying ****, I explained why it is ****, I showed you pictures of the cameras on top of the Pentagon on the side where the plane (cruise missile) hit, there is simply no way there couldn't be any pictures.. your 'research' site ignores that fact too.. I still haven't heard a credible explanation for that..

           You're demanding clear photos & video footage of Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon --- but you yourself cannot provide a clear picture of the cameras on top of the Pentagon that you insist should have had the capabilities of the High Speed Reconnaissance cameras that are carried on our U2s , SR-71s, Drones or Spy Satellites... The photo you provided is the one commonly circulated, which is an ariel view from several hundred yards away from the Building / Roof --- and simply has numbers which are circled superimposed on the photo... Can you actually see those mounted cameras, let alone identify them?

           Neither you nor I have any idea whatsoever specifically the type of cameras those were, or what they could or could not do .... I provided you 1 of several sources which basically stated the same thing regarding what those security cameras were designed to do.. They said the cameras in place were wide angle, with slow shutter speed.... LIke I said, I'm remaining open minded on this part of the events --- if you can find a source which substantiates your belief of the type of Security / Surveillance cameras in use that day at the Pentagon, please share the link... 

           

Kobia2 » 18 Aug 2023, 1:36 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Aug 2023, 1:36 pm

       Read my posts #1655, and #1679.... Perhaps you and Jante can collectively discover the type of Security camera system and its capabilities which were in place at the Pentagon, then share that with the rest of us.... 

Doesn't matter. Two things:
1.  Let's assume they were all 1 frame per second. Who cares? Out of 80, we would see something. 
2. Why were all 80- confiscated? 

I never deflected. I am just simply not convinced of the narrative that you and the government have displayed. I already went over why I don't believe in those pics. I genuinely don't want to repeat that anymore. 

Vegas » 18 Aug 2023, 2:11 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Aug 2023, 2:11 pm

Doesn't matter. Two things:
1.  Let's assume they were all 1 frame per second. Who cares? Out of 80, we would see something. 
2. Why were all 80- confiscated? 

I never deflected. I am just simply not convinced of the narrative that you and the government have displayed. I already went over why I don't believe in those pics. I genuinely don't want to repeat that anymore.

Well. You got your *** kicked again. Maybe you should rename the OP from “Change my mind” to “I won’t believe anything you throw out there”. I’ll repeat one of my original theories which is that you’re trolling us. 
 

Rock » 18 Aug 2023, 3:36 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Aug 2023, 3:36 pm

Well. You got your *** kicked again. Maybe you should rename the OP from “Change my mind” to “I won’t believe anything you throw out there”. I’ll repeat one of my original theories which is that you’re trolling us.

He didn't even answer my questions about the cameras. That hardly is kicking my ***. You even admitted that you found it curious.  Seriously? Just curious.      Otay. 

As long as the 80 cameras being confiscated is not being adequately addressed, then I win. "It's curious."       Yeah Rock, it actually kind of is, isn't it? 

 

MackTheFinger » 18 Aug 2023, 1:41 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Aug 2023, 1:41 pm

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Autopilot and computers ?
 

Anyone remember some attended Embry Riddle in Florida where they took flight school as foreign exchange students and flight simulators prior to the attack.

This was planned for a couple of years before actual event happened.

Nostradamus'omh » 18 Aug 2023, 4:58 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Aug 2023, 4:58 pm

Anyone remember some attended Embry Riddle in Florida where they took flight school as foreign exchange students and flight simulators prior to the attack.

 

No ! I don't remember...what are you talking about ?

Vegas » 18 Aug 2023, 8:45 am » wrote: ↑

18 Aug 2023, 8:45 am

Those pics were never shown to be from the pentagon. They were pics of plane pieces. Nothing proves they were from the pentagon.

Yes, of course.  I guess the pictures of the debris AT the Pentagon, was all photoshopped. 
And none of the pictures you showed, were shown to be at the locations claimed. 
See how that works?
 

Jantje_Smit » 18 Aug 2023, 6:00 am » wrote: ↑

18 Aug 2023, 6:00 am

This what a jet engine looks like after a crash, can you spot the differences?

 

         The difference is this photo you are posting is from a Pakistani Airliner that crashed in 2020---  Flight PIA PK-8303... The plane had lost power in both Engines, after a failed attempt to make a belly landing on the Airport runway (because it's landing gear failed to deploy) the Plane circled back at slow speed, failing to reach the runway, and did a belly-landing on top of some houses close to the Airport... The Plane and its Engines did not slam head on into a steel reinforced exterior concrete wall --- and 2 interior walls of a similar construction.. You can find many such photos online of Planes that made similar type crash landings in fields or on top of small structures where the Engines are mostly intact as the one in your photo... 

         This Pic is Part of the Engine being recovered at the Flight 93 Crash Site in Shanksville PA.... The Plane Nose-Dived directly into the ground.... 

         
                      
 
              This is a photo from Flight 175 which hit Tower 2 at the World Trade Center....


      The 2 photos I posted clearly look nothing like the one you did..... Can we agree that there are many contributing factors regarding crashes which would determine the condition & appearance of the Aircraft's Engines and other pieces of Plane debris?
 

Nostradamus'omh » 18 Aug 2023, 4:58 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Aug 2023, 4:58 pm

Anyone remember some attended Embry Riddle in Florida where they took flight school as foreign exchange students and flight simulators prior to the attack.

This was planned for a couple of years before actual event happened.

          True..... 
The 9/11 attacks were approximately 3 years in the logistical planning.... This was proven & acknowledged by one of the primary architects of the Attacks ---- Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, as well as his 4 co-accused Al Qaeda leaders (all still residing at GITMO).. 

           Isn't it remarkable these 5 Jihadists have undergone years of  detainment, enhanced interrogation techniques (including waterboarding) resulting in much of the Intel we learned regarding the operational structure of Al Qaeda, as well as terrorist attacks they've carried out including 9/11 --- yet have never revealed the names or identities of their United States Government co-conspirators involved in striking the Pentagon that day....  

Kobia2 » 18 Aug 2023, 2:09 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Aug 2023, 2:09 pm

           You're demanding clear photos & video footage of Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon --- but you yourself cannot provide a clear picture of the cameras on top of the Pentagon that you insist should have had the capabilities of the High Speed Reconnaissance cameras that are carried on our U2s , SR-71s, Drones or Spy Satellites... The photo you provided is the one commonly circulated, which is an ariel view from several hundred yards away from the Building / Roof --- and simply has numbers which are circled superimposed on the photo... Can you actually see those mounted cameras, let alone identify them?

           Neither you nor I have any idea whatsoever specifically the type of cameras those were, or what they could or could not do .... I provided you 1 of several sources which basically stated the same thing regarding what those security cameras were designed to do.. They said the cameras in place were wide angle, with slow shutter speed.... LIke I said, I'm remaining open minded on this part of the events --- if you can find a source which substantiates your belief of the type of Security / Surveillance cameras in use that day at the Pentagon, please share the link... 

           

I'm not demanding clear pictures of a plane hitting the Pentagon, I'm simply pointing out that there obviously should be pictures and you can't come up with a credible explanation why there aren't any to be found.. and don't act like zo9 and twist my words, of course they weren't the same cameras as on spy planes/ satellites, I only said that if they had those, the surveillance cameras on the Pentagon would be state of the art, not some cheap version with one frame a second.. I don't give a **** what you 'fact' checking site says, that's simply common sense... they have black budgets of $billions, do you really think the guys with the stars on their shoulders would have anything less than the best for their own protection...

And you can clearly see the cameras in the enlarged sections, if there weren't any cameras there I'm pretty sure you could find a source that said it's a lie.. lol..it's the Pentagon, no way they would leave any blind spots, every side of the building is watched 24/7, and no way they could have missed something as big as a boeing 757...

 



 
 

Kobia2 » 18 Aug 2023, 10:42 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Aug 2023, 10:42 pm

         
             This is a photo from Flight 175 which hit Tower 2 at the World Trade Center....


      The 2 photos I posted clearly look nothing like the one you did..... Can we agree that there are many contributing factors regarding crashes which would determine the condition & appearance of the Aircraft's Engines and other pieces of Plane debris? 

Oh, we can agree on that, of course I could have picked a picture that showed a much more damaged engine... but still, compare those pics you posted with this one...

Don't tell me you can't see the difference..

 


 

Z09 » 19 Aug 2023, 6:31 am » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 6:31 am

Nobody twisted your words.. 

lol...

Cruise missile from 2 hours away..

So how did you come up with that without twisting my words?

You actually stated the cruise missile could have been sent from a military base.
And nobody would have noticed?

Or that one..


 
 

Z09 » 19 Aug 2023, 7:49 am » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 7:49 am

You said the missile could have been sent from 1000 miles away.. 

Do the math.
 
Cruise missiles can go about 500 miles an hour...

Just another case of you making crazy claims without putting any due diligence in it.

I made one word bold, can you guess why?

Cruise missile from 2 hours away..

Damn, I thought about it and I think I really have to explain it... you simply don't get it, but I'm not going to, that would hurt my sense of self respect..

 

 
 

MackTheFinger » 18 Aug 2023, 5:55 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Aug 2023, 5:55 pm

No ! I don't remember...what are you talking about ?

Several of those hijacking the airlines were taking flight school courses there in the two years prior to the event. I think they used both the Florida campus and Arizona.

At that time the two campuses were rated #1 in getting graduates jobs after graduation. My daughter went to one of them for aerospace engineering degree a few years after that event happened. How I learned about it beside on the news after the event took place.