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Rock » 18 Aug 2023, 3:36 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Aug 2023, 3:36 pm

Well. You got your *** kicked again. Maybe you should rename the OP from “Change my mind” to “I won’t believe anything you throw out there”. I’ll repeat one of my original theories which is that you’re trolling us.

He didn't even answer my questions about the cameras. That hardly is kicking my ***. You even admitted that you found it curious.  Seriously? Just curious.      Otay. 

As long as the 80 cameras being confiscated is not being adequately addressed, then I win. "It's curious."       Yeah Rock, it actually kind of is, isn't it? 

 

MackTheFinger » 18 Aug 2023, 1:41 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Aug 2023, 1:41 pm

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Autopilot and computers ?
 

Anyone remember some attended Embry Riddle in Florida where they took flight school as foreign exchange students and flight simulators prior to the attack.

This was planned for a couple of years before actual event happened.

Nostradamus'omh » 18 Aug 2023, 4:58 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Aug 2023, 4:58 pm

Anyone remember some attended Embry Riddle in Florida where they took flight school as foreign exchange students and flight simulators prior to the attack.

 

No ! I don't remember...what are you talking about ?

Vegas » 18 Aug 2023, 8:45 am » wrote: ↑

18 Aug 2023, 8:45 am

Those pics were never shown to be from the pentagon. They were pics of plane pieces. Nothing proves they were from the pentagon.

Yes, of course.  I guess the pictures of the debris AT the Pentagon, was all photoshopped. 
And none of the pictures you showed, were shown to be at the locations claimed. 
See how that works?
 

Jantje_Smit » 18 Aug 2023, 6:00 am » wrote: ↑

18 Aug 2023, 6:00 am

This what a jet engine looks like after a crash, can you spot the differences?

 

         The difference is this photo you are posting is from a Pakistani Airliner that crashed in 2020---  Flight PIA PK-8303... The plane had lost power in both Engines, after a failed attempt to make a belly landing on the Airport runway (because it's landing gear failed to deploy) the Plane circled back at slow speed, failing to reach the runway, and did a belly-landing on top of some houses close to the Airport... The Plane and its Engines did not slam head on into a steel reinforced exterior concrete wall --- and 2 interior walls of a similar construction.. You can find many such photos online of Planes that made similar type crash landings in fields or on top of small structures where the Engines are mostly intact as the one in your photo... 

         This Pic is Part of the Engine being recovered at the Flight 93 Crash Site in Shanksville PA.... The Plane Nose-Dived directly into the ground.... 

         
                      
 
              This is a photo from Flight 175 which hit Tower 2 at the World Trade Center....


      The 2 photos I posted clearly look nothing like the one you did..... Can we agree that there are many contributing factors regarding crashes which would determine the condition & appearance of the Aircraft's Engines and other pieces of Plane debris?
 

Nostradamus'omh » 18 Aug 2023, 4:58 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Aug 2023, 4:58 pm

Anyone remember some attended Embry Riddle in Florida where they took flight school as foreign exchange students and flight simulators prior to the attack.

This was planned for a couple of years before actual event happened.

          True..... 
The 9/11 attacks were approximately 3 years in the logistical planning.... This was proven & acknowledged by one of the primary architects of the Attacks ---- Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, as well as his 4 co-accused Al Qaeda leaders (all still residing at GITMO).. 

           Isn't it remarkable these 5 Jihadists have undergone years of  detainment, enhanced interrogation techniques (including waterboarding) resulting in much of the Intel we learned regarding the operational structure of Al Qaeda, as well as terrorist attacks they've carried out including 9/11 --- yet have never revealed the names or identities of their United States Government co-conspirators involved in striking the Pentagon that day....  

Kobia2 » 18 Aug 2023, 2:09 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Aug 2023, 2:09 pm

           You're demanding clear photos & video footage of Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon --- but you yourself cannot provide a clear picture of the cameras on top of the Pentagon that you insist should have had the capabilities of the High Speed Reconnaissance cameras that are carried on our U2s , SR-71s, Drones or Spy Satellites... The photo you provided is the one commonly circulated, which is an ariel view from several hundred yards away from the Building / Roof --- and simply has numbers which are circled superimposed on the photo... Can you actually see those mounted cameras, let alone identify them?

           Neither you nor I have any idea whatsoever specifically the type of cameras those were, or what they could or could not do .... I provided you 1 of several sources which basically stated the same thing regarding what those security cameras were designed to do.. They said the cameras in place were wide angle, with slow shutter speed.... LIke I said, I'm remaining open minded on this part of the events --- if you can find a source which substantiates your belief of the type of Security / Surveillance cameras in use that day at the Pentagon, please share the link... 

           

I'm not demanding clear pictures of a plane hitting the Pentagon, I'm simply pointing out that there obviously should be pictures and you can't come up with a credible explanation why there aren't any to be found.. and don't act like zo9 and twist my words, of course they weren't the same cameras as on spy planes/ satellites, I only said that if they had those, the surveillance cameras on the Pentagon would be state of the art, not some cheap version with one frame a second.. I don't give a **** what you 'fact' checking site says, that's simply common sense... they have black budgets of $billions, do you really think the guys with the stars on their shoulders would have anything less than the best for their own protection...

And you can clearly see the cameras in the enlarged sections, if there weren't any cameras there I'm pretty sure you could find a source that said it's a lie.. lol..it's the Pentagon, no way they would leave any blind spots, every side of the building is watched 24/7, and no way they could have missed something as big as a boeing 757...

 



 
 

Kobia2 » 18 Aug 2023, 10:42 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Aug 2023, 10:42 pm

         
             This is a photo from Flight 175 which hit Tower 2 at the World Trade Center....


      The 2 photos I posted clearly look nothing like the one you did..... Can we agree that there are many contributing factors regarding crashes which would determine the condition & appearance of the Aircraft's Engines and other pieces of Plane debris? 

Oh, we can agree on that, of course I could have picked a picture that showed a much more damaged engine... but still, compare those pics you posted with this one...

Don't tell me you can't see the difference..

 


 

Z09 » 19 Aug 2023, 6:31 am » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 6:31 am

Nobody twisted your words.. 

lol...

Cruise missile from 2 hours away..

So how did you come up with that without twisting my words?

You actually stated the cruise missile could have been sent from a military base.
And nobody would have noticed?

Or that one..


 
 

Z09 » 19 Aug 2023, 7:49 am » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 7:49 am

You said the missile could have been sent from 1000 miles away.. 

Do the math.
 
Cruise missiles can go about 500 miles an hour...

Just another case of you making crazy claims without putting any due diligence in it.

I made one word bold, can you guess why?

Cruise missile from 2 hours away..

Damn, I thought about it and I think I really have to explain it... you simply don't get it, but I'm not going to, that would hurt my sense of self respect..

 

 
 

MackTheFinger » 18 Aug 2023, 5:55 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Aug 2023, 5:55 pm

No ! I don't remember...what are you talking about ?

Several of those hijacking the airlines were taking flight school courses there in the two years prior to the event. I think they used both the Florida campus and Arizona.

At that time the two campuses were rated #1 in getting graduates jobs after graduation. My daughter went to one of them for aerospace engineering degree a few years after that event happened. How I learned about it beside on the news after the event took place.

Z09 » 19 Aug 2023, 7:56 am » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 7:56 am

You also stated the missile could have been shot by someone at a military base..

Do you really think someone could do that without being noticed?
Just walk into a warehouse and fire off a cruise missile and nobody sees anything?

Think about how dumb of a thought that was

And it would hurt because you still wouldn't get and I would have wasted time and effort on an obvious retard for no good reason at all..

 

Jantje_Smit » 13 Aug 2023, 7:32 am » wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2023, 7:32 am

I told you plenty of times that it would have been passed off as an exercise and plenty of people saw it.. you still believe twisting my words makes you look smart?

 
 

Jantje_Smit » 19 Aug 2023, 8:12 am » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 8:12 am

And it would hurt because you still wouldn't get and I would have been nice to an obvious retard for no good reason at all..

:blink:  

Your literal mind just won't accept the terrorists used the airliner as a missile with a jihadist flying it to reach 72 virgins from Allah. Martyrdom is just heroes of the losing sides that sacrificed their biological time serving a reality that didn't reach what it dreamed possible when they made the sacrifice.

Rewritten history can change martyrs into heroes and heroes into martyrs. because future generations weren't alive during the event and nobody can prove otherwise so reasonable doubt wins another contest of vanities of humanities promising tomorrows when life never exceeds adapting to the moment here.

Nostradamus'omh » 19 Aug 2023, 8:10 am » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 8:10 am

Several of those hijacking the airlines were taking flight school courses..

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Ya know solo...you are not as smart as you think you are. It was a joke...so give me 25 pushups ! This calls for some Dylan.

Ain't it just like the night to play
Tricks when you're trying to be so quiet?
We sit here stranded
Though we're all doing our best to deny it
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Bob Dylan - Visions of Johanna (Official Audio) - YouTube
 
 

Nostradamus'omh » 19 Aug 2023, 8:18 am » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 8:18 am

Your literal mind just won't accept the terrorists used the airliner as a missile with a jihadist flying it to reach 72 virgins from Allah. Martyrdom is just heroes of the losing sides that sacrificed their biological time serving a reality that didn't reach what it dreamed possible when they made the sacrifice.

Rewritten history can change martyrs into heroes and heroes into martyrs. because future generations weren't alive during the event and nobody can prove otherwise so reasonable doubt wins another contest of vanities of humanities promising tomorrows when life never exceeds adapting to the moment here.

So, does that mean your now is eternity mind accepts that a plane hit the Pentagon?

In that case I would like to know what made you accept the promises better tomorrows.. yesterdays I guess.. lol..

 
 

MackTheFinger » 19 Aug 2023, 8:29 am » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 8:29 am

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Ya know solo...you are not as smart as you think you are. It was a joke ! This calls for some Dylan lines.

[/n]Ain't it just like the night to play
Tricks when you're trying to be so quiet?
We sit here stranded
Though we're all doing our best to deny it
And Louise holds a handful of rain, tempting you to defy it

Inside the museums, Infinity goes up on trial
Voices echo, "This is what salvation must be like after a while"
But Mona Lisa musta had the highway blues
You can tell by the way she smiles
See the primitive wallflower freeze
When the jelly-faced women all sneeze
Hear the one with the mustache say, "Jeez, I can't find my knees"
Oh, jewels and binoculars hang from the head of the mule
But these visions of Johanna, they make it all seem so cruel
 

Being smart enough to figure out how evolving actually happens isn't as stupid as bringing your own species into extinction never accepting it(evolving while genetically displaced) is self evident.

Jantje_Smit » 19 Aug 2023, 8:37 am » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 8:37 am

So, does that mean your now is eternity mind accepts that a plane hit the Pentagon?

In that case I would like to know what made you accept the promises better tomorrows.. yesterdays I guess.. lol..

:faint:  
 

Clowning around for a career makes your character role in humanity just another clown ignoring why you exist equally timed apart here. I am not the one defending absolute corruption through power of suggesting life is too difficult to live time passing by each mutually inhabiting space now as specifically reproductively here.

Nostradamus'omh » 19 Aug 2023, 8:37 am » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 8:37 am

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These truths ?

Take another look at my last post.
 

Z09 » 19 Aug 2023, 8:20 am » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 8:20 am

Could?

Is there any evidence that a cruise missile was sent from 1000 miles away..?

Anything? 

This time I made two words bold, maybe that's easier..

Now you're saying you said "could"...

lol.. just for fun, what did I say before?

 


 
 

Z09 » 19 Aug 2023, 9:10 am » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 9:10 am

You said a cruise missile could have been sent from 1000 miles away.,
That would mean it was sent before any hijackings...

No, that doesn't mean that..

Suddenly you're saying "could" means you really didn't mean it..

Suddenly?

Jantje_Smit » 23 Jul 2023, 10:17 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2023, 10:17 am

Who the **** cares, those cruise missiles have a range of a 1,000 miles, it could have come from anywhere, probably from a submarine if that makes you happy..

ok, I know I will regret it but just this once... if a missile has a range of a 1,000 miles that doesn't mean it has to be sent from a 1,000 miles away, it could be 10 miles, a 100 miles, 200 miles.. please tell me you can understand the concept of 'range'...

Grow up kid

Yeah, I knew I would regret it