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golfboy » 18 Aug 2023, 8:12 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Aug 2023, 8:12 pm

Yes, of course.  I guess the pictures of the debris AT the Pentagon, was all photoshopped. 
And none of the pictures you showed, were shown to be at the locations claimed. 
See how that works?

LOL.I saw a bunch of wreckage at the pentagon, none of it was plane pieces. 

Z09 » 19 Aug 2023, 10:40 am » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 10:40 am

Cruise missiles from 1000 miles away?

Could have came from anywhere??

How about some examples??

Look at this ****. 3 **** questions, and not once has she bothered answering any. Not even **** once. 

80 cameras confiscated. Chop chop. Get to it, cupcake. 

Z09 » 19 Aug 2023, 10:40 am » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 10:40 am

Cruise missiles from 1000 miles away?

Could have came from anywhere??

How about some examples??

I just gave you some examples..

..it could be 10 miles, a 100 miles, 200 miles..

 
 

Well...I think this thread should be locked. I mean, @Jantje_Smit  and I won, the rest lost. 

How so? Because Kobia, though he answers questions and made good points, pretty much just regurgitated the same narrative that we were already fed. He didn't really offer any new insight to anything. The conversation can be summed up as follows: 

1. Kobia: Pics of plane debris. 
Rebuttal: None of the pics were shown to be at the pentagon, they were just pieces of a crash that could have been from any plane crash somewhere.
 
2. Kobia:  Experts, forensic professionals, and the FBI identified the remains of all the passengers. 
Rebuttal: Sadly scientists lie and sell out. Proof? 97% of scientist sold out on the climate change hoax, and of course, let's not forget all the medical doctors and researchers about the Covid hoax. Therefore, yes. It is very possible to get scientists to sell out. And the FBI? Yeah, they would never lie about anything, they have always been proven to be honest.   

Z09:                 What can be said about that narcissistic bimbo? She refused to answer every single question. Literally, every single question we asked. 


Jantje and I: 80 cameras at the pentagon. All confiscated except one with a useless image that nobody can make out. Even 1 camera is a thousand times a  better witnesses than  1000 human witnesses. Let alone 80 of them. Why were they confiscated? No answer. 

Let's not forget the obvious one...there was no **** plane there. 



Since we are the clear winners, and neither Kobia nor Z09, and  anyone else, can adequately address the above two points, I make a motion for @Deezer Shoove  or @Cannonpointer  to lock this thread. It's obvious there will be no new perspectives. Just the same narrative over and over.






 

Z09 » 19 Aug 2023, 10:51 am » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 10:51 am

Passengers that you claim never even existed..

Yeah..
That's real plausible 
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Still nothing about the pentagon cameras. ^^^

Z09 » 19 Aug 2023, 11:12 am » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 11:12 am

I've often wondered...

 

Still running from my questions ^^^

We win, you lose. 

Jantje_Smit » 19 Aug 2023, 6:52 am » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 6:52 am

Oh, we can agree on that, of course I could have picked a picture that showed a much more damaged engine... but still, compare those pics you posted with this one...

Don't tell me you can't see the difference..

          Let's go through this again ......
Look at these pics which I had posted previously.....  It shows precisely what this inner portion component is in relation to the rest of the Rolls Royce Turbo Fan Engine.. 

https://aerospaceweb.org/question/consp ... 0265.shtml

       1.  One similarity between the two photos can be seen in the cleats along the edge of the Pentagon object. These devices are called dovetail slots and provide attachment points for the compressor blades. The shapes of these slots on the Pentagon wreckage appear to match those on the RB211 assembly shown on the left. Furthermore, the "nosepiece" jutting out from the center of the disk in the Pentagon photo shares commonalities with the central shaft visible in the RB211 photo.The above analysis indicates that the Pentagon debris does in fact match the characteristics of a rotor disk from the Rolls-Royce RB211-535. The wreckage is most likely a compressor stage given the shape of the dovetail slots.

           
         
    2.  In one of your earlier postings you mistook this part for the outer Fan portion of the engine, claiming it to be too small.. I provided you this side-view Schematic showing where this part was located, and you said that the clarification made sense....

          Note the relative sizes of the forward portion of this engine compared to the central core. Clearly, the section housing the fan is much wider than the turbojet core that contains the compressor and turbine components. We can get a clearer view of the relative sizes of components within this engine in the following cut-away drawing of the RB211-535.

          

   3.   These 3 components recovered at the Pentagon are parts from a High Pressure System Assembly..
 
     
 
  4.  This is a photograph of Boeing 737 Engine components in the recovery process of crashed China Eastern Airlines Flight 5735... Look to the right of the orange cylinder in the photo, and you can see a piece of the Combustion case like the one in the schematic above... So clearly not all Passenger Jet Engines remain largely intact after a high velocity impact, explosion and fire. 

      https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/world ... ane-380632Searchers find engine parts of crashed plane


  5.  This photo is Boeing 737  Engine debri & components from Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 which crashed in a Farm Field (not Steel Reinforced Concrete Walls)... 

6. Your entire premise that those Engines from Flight 77 should have remained largely intact after hitting those Steel Reinforced Concrete Pentagon Walls at 550 MPH --followed by a massive Explosion and raging Fire is simply incorrect. 
 

Jantje_Smit » 19 Aug 2023, 6:07 am » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 6:07 am

I'm not demanding clear pictures of a plane hitting the Pentagon, I'm simply pointing out that there obviously should be pictures and you can't come up with a credible explanation why there aren't any to be found.. and don't act like zo9 and twist my words, of course they weren't the same cameras as on spy planes/ satellites, I only said that if they had those, the surveillance cameras on the Pentagon would be state of the art, not some cheap version with one frame a second.. I don't give a **** what you 'fact' checking site says, that's simply common sense... they have black budgets of $billions, do you really think the guys with the stars on their shoulders would have anything less than the best for their own protection...

And you can clearly see the cameras in the enlarged sections, if there weren't any cameras there I'm pretty sure you could find a source that said it's a lie.. lol..it's the Pentagon, no way they would leave any blind spots, every side of the building is watched 24/7, and no way they could have missed something as big as a boeing 757...

 


 

       I did come up with a very plausible & credible explanation / possibility regarding the lack of additional & better image photos of Flight 77 impacting the Pentagon that day.... I also stated I had several such sources which pretty much offered the same explanation as to why those Security Cameras might not have been positioned, nor had the capabilities to capture the photos you think they ought to have... It doesn't support your belief that Americans Fired a Missile at the Pentagon, and murdered other Americans that day so you "don't give a ****" lol... You've offered nothing to support your assertions other than your own notion the state of the art expensive Security Camera System, which I too am certain they had should have provided such images... You have no idea what those Cameras were designed to film or photograph... I'm sure they were the best, and most expensive available --- to meet their intended specific security requirements..  Like you said, and I agree -- no expense would have been spared... So if there had been a perceived need (and it turned out there should have been) to capture incoming projectiles at high rates of speed, they would have installed such a system in addition to the Wall Mounted Security Cameras in place.. Something like a predecessor of the NAVY's Air & Missile Defense Radar (AMDR)

      Again, on your end, your entire premise is based on your insistence that the Pentagon had Cameras in place which were designed to capture a Passenger Jet flying 550 mph directly at it... At what distance & angle do you believe the Cameras would have captured a side profile picture depicting Flight 77 before striking the Exterior E-Ring Wall in Wedge 1 ----how far from it?  Do you believe those cameras should have been able to take video or still pictures of the Plane flying directly at them?... I searched to see what exactly that would look like, and there doesn't seem to be film or photo in existence which shows the tip of a Jet Airliner flying in such a scenario..   Your words weren't twisted --- you're the one who claimed we had Cameras that could read "License Plates" from the Ozone Layer (true).. I pointed out those were mounted on our High Altitude Military Reconnaissance Planes such as the U2 and SR-71 along with our Spy Satellites ---- not on the exterior walls of military Office/Administration installations... 

Z09 » 19 Aug 2023, 1:58 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 1:58 pm

One thing about you ...
You never answer any questions.

                         

Yep, it's official. You are a clinical narcissist. Projection and control. Those are the biggest red flags. You are definitely one. 

Vegas » 19 Aug 2023, 10:59 am » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 10:59 am

Well...I think this thread should be locked. I mean, @Jantje_Smit  and I won, the rest lost. 

How so? Because Kobia, though he answers questions and made good points, pretty much just regurgitated the same narrative that we were already fed. He didn't really offer any new insight to anything. The conversation can be summed up as follows: 

1. Kobia: Pics of plane debris. 
Rebuttal: None of the pics were shown to be at the pentagon, they were just pieces of a crash that could have been from any plane crash somewhere.
 
2. Kobia:  Experts, forensic professionals, and the FBI identified the remains of all the passengers. 
Rebuttal: Sadly scientists lie and sell out. Proof? 97% of scientist sold out on the climate change hoax, and of course, let's not forget all the medical doctors and researchers about the Covid hoax. Therefore, yes. It is very possible to get scientists to sell out. And the FBI? Yeah, they would never lie about anything, they have always been proven to be honest.   

Z09:                 What can be said about that narcissistic bimbo? She refused to answer every single question. Literally, every single question we asked. 

Jantje and I: 80 cameras at the pentagon. All confiscated except one with a useless image that nobody can make out. Even 1 camera is a thousand times a  better witnesses than  1000 human witnesses. Let alone 80 of them. Why were they confiscated? No answer. 

Let's not forget the obvious one...there was no **** plane there. 

Since we are the clear winners, and neither Kobia nor Z09, and  anyone else, can adequately address the above two points, I make a motion for @Deezer Shoove  or @Cannonpointer  to lock this thread. It's obvious there will be no new perspectives. Just the same narrative over and over.

If that is your "official thread owner's request", I will do so.
 

Vegas » 19 Aug 2023, 10:59 am » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 10:59 am

Well...I think this thread should be locked. I mean, @Jantje_Smit  and I won, the rest lost. 

How so? Because Kobia, though he answers questions and made good points, pretty much just regurgitated the same narrative that we were already fed. He didn't really offer any new insight to anything. The conversation can be summed up as follows: 

1. Kobia: Pics of plane debris. 
Rebuttal: None of the pics were shown to be at the pentagon, they were just pieces of a crash that could have been from any plane crash somewhere.
 
2. Kobia:  Experts, forensic professionals, and the FBI identified the remains of all the passengers. 
Rebuttal: Sadly scientists lie and sell out. Proof? 97% of scientist sold out on the climate change hoax, and of course, let's not forget all the medical doctors and researchers about the Covid hoax. Therefore, yes. It is very possible to get scientists to sell out. And the FBI? Yeah, they would never lie about anything, they have always been proven to be honest.   

Z09:                 What can be said about that narcissistic bimbo? She refused to answer every single question. Literally, every single question we asked. 

Jantje and I: 80 cameras at the pentagon. All confiscated except one with a useless image that nobody can make out. Even 1 camera is a thousand times a  better witnesses than  1000 human witnesses. Let alone 80 of them. Why were they confiscated? No answer. 

Let's not forget the obvious one...there was no **** plane there. 

Since we are the clear winners, and neither Kobia nor Z09, and  anyone else, can adequately address the above two points, I make a motion for @Deezer Shoove  or @Cannonpointer  to lock this thread. It's obvious there will be no new perspectives. Just the same narrative over and over.

Alrighty, then. Jantje and Vegas win - thread locked. 




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