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9/11 was an inside job. Change my mind.
9/11 was an inside job. Change my mind.
By Vegas
22 Jul 2023 12:05 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
24 Jul 2023 9:53 am
911 as a false flag is far outside of the competency or capabilities of our government. They can kill a sex trafficker with dirt on political elites while he was in prison. They can make revenge for leaking documents to wikileaks look like a botched robbery. They cannot fake a terrorist attack involving 4 hijacked jetliners with literally billions of real time witnesses.Sumela » 24 Jul 2023, 9:49 am » wrote: ↑ True actual Conservatives should always question everything the govt says/does.
I mean we were founded on the idea that govt breeds corruption.
More and More though, cons just THROAT the establishment...so weird
24 Jul 2023 9:58 am
[img]blob:b4e0e82f-d7b5-4c42-a236-5b1e4c804615[/img]Z09 » 24 Jul 2023, 9:55 am » wrote: ↑ Why not?
And why would they LIE about a plane hitting the building?
What purpose ?
And like I've asked before...
Where did the plane go?
no answer?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECoWG3eUYAIUNwS.jpg
24 Jul 2023 10:04 am
The hijacking was not planned in DC, why would you claim it was?Z09 » 22 Jul 2023, 4:23 pm » wrote: ↑ So Razoo...
Suppose you tell us how you plan a mass hijacking and keep it secret in a town like DC?
24 Jul 2023 10:10 am
No way a boeing 727 does 500mph an hour at ground level, a cruise missile could though.. but that doesn't really matter.. that's another thing, those knocked down lamp posts... got any pictures of that, they seem to be perfectly fine from what I can see?Neo » 24 Jul 2023, 9:40 am » wrote: ↑ The plane hit the building at cruising speed. 500 mph. Lights were knocked down on the planes path to the building. That would take pretty large wings for a cruise missile. I haven't seen pictures showing the intact plane prior to hitting the building. I have seen enough evidence that it was a passenger jet rather than a missile. Knocked down parking lights, aluminum debris scattered across the lawn. I guess a 747 shaped cruise missile could be responsible, or perhaps they knocked the parking lot lights over with choreographed controlled demolitions?
In memory of Pumpkins
24 Jul 2023 10:13 am
It does seem a daunting task. So is blowing an underwater pipeline that belongs to an allyNeo » 24 Jul 2023, 9:53 am » wrote: ↑ 911 as a false flag is far outside of the competency or capabilities of our government. They can kill a sex trafficker with dirt on political elites while he was in prison. They can make revenge for leaking documents to wikileaks look like a botched robbery. They cannot fake a terrorist attack involving 4 hijacked jetliners with literally billions of real time witnesses.
But I do not believe the govt story - there is more to the story.
Its possible they knew and just allowed to unfold. """PEARL HARBOR MOMENT"""
24 Jul 2023 10:19 am
Skans » 23 Jul 2023, 9:20 am » wrote: ↑ Read the 911 Commission Report. I did. It explains in great detail how the towers were destroyed. In great detail. Did I leave out "great detail". Read it. So show me how your generic "Engineers" refute the details of the Report, and only then will I be willing to further the discussion. BTW, "refuting" does not mean putting forth some alternate-universe scenario and completely ignoring what was investigated and reported. I have seen no such valid alternative report which debunks the 911 Commission report, without resorting to alternative-universe wack-job theories.
Yeah, I'm familiar with the claim that some Israelis were seen in the vicinity of the 911 attacks. Why was this not in the 911 Commission Report? Actually, it is. It is mentioned in the footnotes to Chapter 5 of the Report, but details were left out. It eventually was discovered and reported in the news. https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1. Nothing shows that the Israelis were doing anything other than observing what happened. I do believe, however, that they had advanced knowledge that "something" was going to take place that day. Did Israeli authorities report this to any American agency? No one knows. Because, this information is classified. Again, IMHO, nothing should be classified - the American people have a right to know.
https://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf
https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1
FYI, in the 911 report, they name in detail names of people involved in making the report. In your OP, you mention no names at all. Just generic "Engineers".
I actually did read it. It was incomplete. The "great detail" is incomplete. It's not hard to take a few pieces of a puzzle, then go into "great detail" about those few pieces, and present it as he whole picture. I am referring to these guys: https://www.c-span.org/video/?320748-5/ ... -911-truth#
It's a group of 2200 architects and engineers who have all concluded that it was a controlled demolition.
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Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
24 Jul 2023 10:20 am
I may be wrong, but I don't think there is a video of anything, which is quite odd.Z09 » 24 Jul 2023, 9:50 am » wrote: ↑ If the question is fair he should produce a video showing a missile hitting the building....
24 Jul 2023 10:25 am
So many questions. I had a theory that the planes were simply put on autopilot. That tech has been around for decades. There were probably passengers and pilots. However, the pilots were not in on it. They had no idea. The pilots flew the planes, as usual, then were locked out of their system, and cut off from the control tower. The system was hacked. The pilots had no idea what was happening. The plane that went down in the field was after the towers were hit. The pilots found out what was going on, through cell phone communication, so maybe they found a way to take it crash it in a area that wasn't close to residents.Jantje_Smit » 23 Jul 2023, 4:02 am » wrote: ↑ I don't want to change your mind.. lol.. I totally agree..
The Pentagon is the most obvious but there are so many other questions, it was long time ago, I lost all the stuff I had on that a few computers ago but I still remember some things..
Like the guy that leased the WTC buying terrorism insurance just a few weeks before 9/11...
Did I mention he was jewish (Silverstein) and that no joos died in the towers because it was a jewish holiday.. and there was the video of the dancing joos, celebrating with the burning towers in the background..
The undamaged passports of the hijackers found on the street.. lol.. that was a nice touch..
Then there was the gold in the vault of the WTC that disappeared without a trace
The debris of the WTC that was shipped of to China in a hurry so it couldn't be analyzed for traces of explosives
The hole in the ground in Pensylvania that looked nothing like a plane crash..
Etc. etc. etc..
I don't have all the links anymore but I still have this one, I forgot what it was about, stock trades and coverups I think, I have to watch that again myself but there should be some good stuff in it, I must have saved it for a reason..
Edit: oh, I remember now, from 36:00, that was why I saved it.. the planes were remote controlled and they weren't passenger planes..
https://youtu.be/n_fp5kaVYhk
Blackvegatble's hypcorisy summed up in one post:
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Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
24 Jul 2023 10:29 am
My question is simple. Very simple. If you can answer it, then I will retract.Kobia2 » 22 Jul 2023, 8:45 pm » wrote: ↑ So, your theory is that American Airlines Boeing 757 Flight 77 did not crash into the Pentagon?.... Is it your theory that this Plane magically vanished instead of crashing into the Pentagon --- or that the Plane, it's Passengers & Crew simply never existed?... In either case can you explain how all but 4 of the charred sets of remains and body parts inside the Pentagon from Flight 77 were identified as the Passengers & Crew through DNA by samples provided from the victims families?.... The bodies of the 4 Hijackers were determined by process of elimination since no DNA samples were collected from their Family members.. I would be interested to hear your "theory" on this --- as I imagine so might some of the family members of those on Flight 77..
Here's the Passenger & Crew List for Flight 77.... Keep in mind, one of the Passengers was the well known Conservative News Pundit & Author, who regularly appeared on FOX, CNN, C SPAN etc... Barbara Olsen.... Her remains were also identified at the crash site through DNA...
https://archive.boston.com/news/package ... ight77.htm
Question: Where is the **** plane?
Those pics that you see of plane parts were taken a couple days after the explosion. Look at the footage on that day. Where is the **** plane?
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Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
24 Jul 2023 10:31 am
Neo » 22 Jul 2023, 6:44 pm » wrote: ↑ OK Alex Jones, were the passengers that called home crisis actors? Were the pilots and air traffic control involved in the plot? Occums Razor, simplest answer is generally the correct answer.
I literally just answered that in what you quoted me on. Go back and reread it, then come get me. I am not going to repeat it because you didn't feel like reading it all.
Blackvegatble's hypcorisy summed up in one post:
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Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
24 Jul 2023 10:37 am
24 Jul 2023 10:46 am
Z09 » 24 Jul 2023, 10:30 am » wrote: ↑ A group of terrorists hijacked numerous planes and flew them into buildings.
Not that complicated.
How could our government have videos of these terrorists getting on the planes that day if they had nothing to do with it...?
There's one guy here that says the terrorists are still alive.....
However, when asked for a link to such a crazy claim he can't produce anything...
911 went down just about as it was planned....
By Muslim terrorists...
Not by our government or any deep state...
There were no terrorists. **** box cutters? Seriously? No. There were no 19 hijackers. Tell me which theory seems more plausible:
Theory A: The pilots and passengers load the plane like any other day. They take off like any other day. Nothing unusual, it happens everyday. When in the air, the autopilot tech gets hacked. Autopilot tech can be pre-programmed. Once hacked, the pilots are locked out and are cut off from ground control. The autopilot tech had the coordinates programmed already. The pilots were helpless. No ability to control the plane nor communicate. The planes flew into the buildings.
Theory B: 19 ragheads with box cutters, who were amateur pilots that barely had any flight time, were mostly trained on simulations, had the expertise to fly 747s with precision, into the twin towers causing the towers to collapse exactly like a demolition, not to mention magically making another building collapse, like a demolition, that they never hit.
Blackvegatble's hypcorisy summed up in one post:
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Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
24 Jul 2023 10:48 am
I am referring to the pentagon one.
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Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
24 Jul 2023 10:52 am
Z09 » 24 Jul 2023, 10:50 am » wrote: ↑ I know you are...
My point is planes disinegrate on impact many times....
I think people expected to see a plane in pieces but that's not necessary true....
No they don't. The one in the field never disintegrated. It was easy to see the plane. Yes, in pieces, but it was obvious that there was a plane there.
Blackvegatble's hypcorisy summed up in one post:
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Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
24 Jul 2023 11:00 am
Wait a minute...you got me thinking. I could have sworn I recalled seeing the plane before. Now I can't find it, at least not the one I was thinking about. There still pieces of planes in a crash. Just Google 747 crashes and you will see. It;s not hard to find examples. However, there is just a deep hole there. I wonder if there was a plane at all then.Z09 » 24 Jul 2023, 10:41 am » wrote: ↑
Flight 93....
Gee...
I don't see any plane...
Must have been a lie huh?
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Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
24 Jul 2023 11:01 am
Those are all valid points, but the other side also has valid points.Z09 » 24 Jul 2023, 10:22 am » wrote: ↑ Where's the plane ?
They found pieces of the plane, dead bodies and the plane vanished....
If it were a missile then why wasn't it detected?
If it were a missile where is the plane?
Planes were flown into buildings that day but somehow our government got together and lied about this plane and the Pentagon?
And somehow they keep it a secret for 22 years?
I think we will never know the whole story.
What is known and is fact is that one year prior to this some of the most powerful war *** in WASH DC
formed the Project For a New American Century and discussed that some of the middle east countries
with oil were thinking of nationalizing their oil OR selling it in gold only. And that....
"""WE NEED A NEW PEARL HARBOR MOMENT""
And they got it in spades. Sorry, but its very very curious
24 Jul 2023 11:03 am
Z09 » 24 Jul 2023, 10:52 am » wrote: ↑ Pentagon security cameras outside the building captured the plane crashing into the building. The plane is barely visible as it hits the building and an explosion erupts. The security camera footage was made public after a conservative group, Judicial Watch, filed a Freedom of Information request seeking it in December 2004.
The Associated Press reported on the footage released in 2006, saying that the plane can be seen as a “thin white blur” before it plows into the Pentagon at ground level. At the time, Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch told the AP that he hoped the video would end conspiracy theories that the U.S. government was involved in the attack.
On Sept. 11, 2001, the hijacked American Airlines plane struck the southwest side of the Pentagon about 9:45 a.m. after two other hijacked planes hit the World Trade Center towers. The Pentagon attack killed 125 people in the building and the 59 passengers and crew on board the airplane.
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Did you see that video? It was a joke. Nobody can make out what that was.
Blackvegatble's hypcorisy summed up in one post:
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Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
24 Jul 2023 11:06 am
You won't get an answer from the true believers, they are wedded to the official propaganda story, it simply has to be true..Vegas » 24 Jul 2023, 10:29 am » wrote: ↑ My question is simple. Very simple. If you can answer it, then I will retract.
Question: Where is the **** plane?
Those pics that you see of plane parts were taken a couple days after the explosion. Look at the footage on that day. Where is the **** plane?
As Mark Twain said, it's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
In memory of Pumpkins
24 Jul 2023 11:09 am
24 Jul 2023 11:19 am
I already did, it's in my first post...Z09 » 24 Jul 2023, 10:40 am » wrote: ↑ Yes...
Why don't you check the photos of Flt 93....
And ask out loud....!
"I don't see a plane!.."
But I never bothered with the how and why of that one, the towers and the Pentagon were much more interesting, no one cares about an empty hole in the ground..
In memory of Pumpkins
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