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I choose to believe that my government loves me. They would never harm innocent civilians! I believe in MURICA.

Z09 » 24 Jul 2023, 10:55 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jul 2023, 10:55 am

These pics were taken a couple days after the incident. I am asking for pics of the plane on that day. At least the tail would be out somewhere. 
 

Z09 » 24 Jul 2023, 9:50 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jul 2023, 9:50 am

If the question is fair he should produce a video showing a missile hitting the building....

Why would there be a video released from the government shooting a missile into the pentagon?

Neo » 24 Jul 2023, 9:53 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jul 2023, 9:53 am

911 as a false flag is far outside of the competency or capabilities of our government. They can kill a sex trafficker with dirt on political elites while he was in prison. They can make revenge for leaking documents to wikileaks look like a botched robbery. They cannot fake a terrorist attack involving 4 hijacked jetliners with literally billions of real time witnesses.

What witnesses saw these hijackers? Billions of witnesses saw planes fly into two towers, they saw no hijackers. That would be impossible. Pre-programming autopilot is a common thing. I recall pilots saying that technically pilots can just sit on their *** the whole flight, from take off to landing, and not do a damn thing. I see no reason how it couldn't be plausible that autopilot was preprogrammed to the established coordinates without the pilot's knowledge. Communication could easily be cut off as well. It seems quite easy. Much more plausible than ragheads, who barely had any flight time, and mostly learned from simulators, could take over a plane with box cutters, and fly them with precision. 

Z09 » 24 Jul 2023, 11:33 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jul 2023, 11:33 am

There was none...
No missile was shot into the Pentagon...

Anyone making such a claim really needs to back it up with facts rather than just theories....

That day...
Numerous planes were hijacked...
We have video of terrorists getting on the planes...
"Something" flew into the Pentagon and pieces of an airplane were found...
Dead bodies were recovered and sent to Dover Base for identification...
Some of the bodies matched the people on the plane ..

And the people on the planes have never been heard from again...
And if it was a missile then where is the friggin plane?

Isn't that a good question?

If it WAS a missile what happened to the plane and why lie about it?

I can't decipher what you are getting at. However, your question about where is the plane is the same question I have. 

Jantje_Smit » 24 Jul 2023, 11:06 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jul 2023, 11:06 am

You won't get an answer from the true believers, they are wedded to the official propaganda story, it simply has to be true..

As Mark Twain said, it's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.

True. However, Kobia is pretty level headed. There is hope for him.

Heres the real deal

19 goat **** camel jockeys from Saudi Arabia came to the US and took pilot training in Florida. Their classes were paid for by the CIA, who funneled money to Mohammed Atta thru Pakistani intel agencies.

The CIA was only trying to help these immigrants get marketable skills to prosper in the US. Thats why they went to the same Miami flight school where CIA used to land planes filled with cocaine to cause the crack epidemic in the 1980s.

After recieving training, these young Muslims were prepared to go to work. But they had trouble finding gainful employment as pilots, because they skipped the day of training that teaches how to safely LAND A PLANE.

With no job prospects, these ambitious young pilots sought to prove their skills by hijacking 4 planes However, they were so inept, that once they took over the cockpit , they accidentally crashed into various buildings which caused them to explode.

Now, some people make a big deal of it because thousands of planes have crashed into thousands of buildings throughout history, and the buildings burned, but THEY NEVER COLLAPSED AND THEY NEVER WILL AGAIN.

I think there was an enchantment over the country that day, somehow the laws of physics were temporarily altered. Thats the magic of AMERICA.
 
 
 

Z09 » 24 Jul 2023, 11:25 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jul 2023, 11:25 am

You claim Clinton had these terrorists under surviellence....
Why didn't he?

They had not broken any laws yet .......had GW continued the surveillance he could have intervened however 
he apparently thought these terrorists were of no concern thus he dropped the tax dollar support that covered 
the surveillance = yes the president must approve these matters. Could be he was not fully aware of his duties yet.......................... he was a green horn about then.

 

Why would the buildings fall anywhere but straight down? If you drop an apple from a tree, is it going to levitate sideways and end up under the next tree?
The massive weight of the concrete floors and interior contents would follow the laws of gravity....not to mention the steel framing that enveloped the exterior of the structure directing the material in a straight path to the ground, floor after floor.

the GOP screwed up again .............

Z09 » 24 Jul 2023, 12:31 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jul 2023, 12:31 pm

What laws did these men break when they boarded the planes that am?

Before praising Allah and crashing an airliner into the buildings, they managed to spend some time in strip clubs. I find that rather humorous,  though there was nothing funny about the deaths of innocent people and the family's grief.

Z09 » 24 Jul 2023, 12:31 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jul 2023, 12:31 pm

What laws did these men break when they boarded the planes that am? 

they had tickets to ride ......  Why did the GW admin ignore warnings?
 

 

The Pre-9/11 Warnings Bush’s Team Ignored Were Way More Intense Than We ThoughtBY JEREMY STAHL
NOV 13, 20151:25 PM


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... eveal.html
 
 
 

Z09 » 24 Jul 2023, 11:46 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jul 2023, 11:46 am

I'm looking at what we know and the evidence....

And it's very clear there's a plane missing on that day and people that died on the plane were found at the Pentagon....
Along with plane wreckage ....

But because there's not a perfect video of the plane crashing we're being led to believe it was a missile...??

.

It would make more sense. The hole in the pentagon looks like a missile could have done that, not a 747, it was too small. The bodies found could be the staff.

RebelGator » 24 Jul 2023, 12:37 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jul 2023, 12:37 pm

Before praising Allah and crashing an airliner into the buildings, they managed to spend some time in strip clubs. I find that rather humorous,  though there was nothing funny about the deaths of innocent people and the family's grief.

Allah won't like that

I'm guessing their 76 virgins are gonna be guys

 

Vegas » 24 Jul 2023, 10:46 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jul 2023, 10:46 am

There were no terrorists. **** box cutters? Seriously? No. There were no 19 hijackers. Tell me which theory seems more plausible:

Theory A: The pilots and passengers load the plane like any other day. They take off like any other day. Nothing unusual, it happens everyday. When in the air, the autopilot tech gets hacked. Autopilot tech can be pre-programmed. Once hacked, the pilots are locked out and are cut off from ground control. The autopilot tech had the coordinates programmed already. The pilots were helpless. No ability to control the plane nor communicate. The planes flew into the buildings. 

Theory B:   19  ragheads with box cutters, who were amateur pilots that barely had any flight time, were mostly trained on simulations, had the expertise to fly 747s with precision, into the twin towers causing the towers to collapse exactly like a demolition, not to mention magically making another building collapse, like a demolition, that they never hit.

        Theory A.... I'm really at a loss how you are unaware of the existence of, or simply deny the validity of the many recorded calls from passengers, and flight attendants that were made to loved ones and others from those Airplanes after they were violently hijacked by the terrorists... There are scores of them available, both via posted video, or written transcript which are available online.... These witnesses describe other passengers & crew being stabbed by the Terrorists as the planes are taken over... There's also recordings of one of the Hijackers piloting Flight 11 Mohammed Atta warning the passengers to remain still .... Below are just a few of these recordings.....  

       Theory B.... See my reply to Theory A. 
You're the one that asked to be convinced otherwise that 9/11 was not an inside job.... You're insisting there were no Al Qaeda Terrorists armed with Box Cutters, when overwhelming evidence proves in fact there were.... A "Theory" is something based on what you think -- it is not necessarily based on what is hard evidence... I'm really not intending to be insulting, but you'd have been more accurate titling your Thread nothing could ever change your belief or convince you otherwise that 9/11 was not an inside job, instead of inviting other people to try... 

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4nNhTQt5EM

         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m9_HVdIeQM

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oswEHFUI1Ok

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gulhkfAjTko

       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RM5HM37CwI&t=12s

 
 

Vegas » 24 Jul 2023, 12:40 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jul 2023, 12:40 pm

It would make more sense. The hole in the pentagon looks like a missile could have done that, not a 747, it was too small. The bodies found could be the staff.

The wings would have folded back along the fuselage before the paint was even damaged on the building. Now it's the size of your missile.

razoo » 24 Jul 2023, 12:39 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jul 2023, 12:39 pm

The Pre-9/11 Warnings Bush’s Team Ignored Were Way More Intense Than We ThoughtBY JEREMY STAHL
NOV 13, 20151:25 PM

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... eveal.html

 

This is when George W. Bush learned that the U.S. was under attack, but way after his White House learned an attack was likely to happen.

The threat warnings that George W. Bush’s White House received—and reportedly brushed off—prior to the 9/11 terrorist attacks were more dire than previously known, Politico reported on Thursday.


In a blockbuster account by Chris Whipple, based on interviews he did for a Showtimedocumentary, former chief of the CIA’s counterterrorism center Cofer Black and former CIA director George Tenet described how they spent the months leading up to 9/11 trying to warn the White House that a spectacular attack was imminent and that the country needed to take urgent action, but to no avail.


Here’s how Politico describes part of the account: 

The drama of failed warnings began when Tenet and Black pitched a plan, in the spring of 2001, called “the Blue Sky paper” to Bush’s new national security team. It called for a covert CIA and military campaign to end the Al Qaeda threat—“getting into the Afghan sanctuary, launching a paramilitary operation, creating a bridge with Uzbekistan.” “And the word back,” says Tenet, “‘was ‘we’re not quite ready to consider this. We don’t want the clock to start ticking.’” (Translation: they did not want a paper trail to show that they’d been warned.)

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... eveal.html
 
 

Vegas » 24 Jul 2023, 11:33 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jul 2023, 11:33 am

What witnesses saw these hijackers? Billions of witnesses saw planes fly into two towers, they saw no hijackers. That would be impossible. Pre-programming autopilot is a common thing. I recall pilots saying that technically pilots can just sit on their *** the whole flight, from take off to landing, and not do a damn thing. I see no reason how it couldn't be plausible that autopilot was preprogrammed to the established coordinates without the pilot's knowledge. Communication could easily be cut off as well. It seems quite easy. Much more plausible than ragheads, who barely had any flight time, and mostly learned from simulators, could take over a plane with box cutters, and fly them with precision.

I am a licensed pilot.  Yes autopilot makes 99.95% of flights routine to the level of boring. Yes theoretically the planes could have been programmed to fly into the buildings. When a plane has an unexpected flight change mid course the crew would be contacting atc and disabling the autopilot in pretty short order. Finding the autopilot locked they would take failsafe measures to manually disable it. All while screaming to air traffic control. None of that occurred. 

Dozens of passengers called home and described middle eastern men with box cutters. Deep fakes? Crisis actors? 
 

Z09 » 24 Jul 2023, 12:47 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jul 2023, 12:47 pm

Correct...
Tenet warned Clinton for months and minths

is that so ................clinton had these terrorists under surveillance ........... the terrorists did not make a move under clinton.......they did under GW. GW screwed up .............  just as he did when the second home loan scam
hit the USA.  GW is a **** up .......


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... eveal.html