Liberal Forum

Z09 » 25 Jul 2023, 3:21 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 3:21 pm

They were taken to Dover Base and identifiied by experts

I can't attest to the bodies, if there were really any. All I can attest to is physics. There would have, at the very least, been the tail sticking out. Google 'pics of 727 plane crashes' and you can many still had their tails intact. 



 

Z09 » 25 Jul 2023, 3:26 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 3:26 pm

I support the government version...

If you have another version share it with us...

Respectfully, Im sure sure you nearly always

support WASH DCs version of all major events...especially on foreign policy.
 

Kobia2 » 25 Jul 2023, 12:50 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 12:50 pm

                This photo was not taken on 9/14/2001...
   It was taken on 9/11 shortly after American Airlines Flight 77 impacted the Pentagon on Sept 11th ... You can see in the background behind the piece of the Aircraft the lawn littered with debris and fire crews who arrived within minutes are working to put out the fire... 

            https://www.military.com/history/25-int ... -9-11.html

         2

                       A piece of aircraft lies in the grass while fire crews work to put out the flames in the minutes after the attack, 11 September 2001. (U.S. Navy/JO1 Mark Faram)

Why would it be impossible to have that piece planted there within minutes? Also, with all of the chaos, would people really be questioning anything weird at that moment when all that shock and weirdness was going on anyway? If I witnessed a train wreck, that was still blazing with fire, I doubt I would be standing around looking for inconspicuous things. I would be looking at the train wreck that is on fire. Especially if I was one of the first responders. I would be busy trying to do my job. 

Z09 » 25 Jul 2023, 3:25 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 3:25 pm

How do you explain all the eye witness statements....?

Witnessess sitting in cars saw an American Airlines plane right close to the ground and the crashing into the Pentagon...

Dozen's...

Are they all lying?

I don't take eye witnesses seriously. I don't care how many there are. I look at the physics. Physics never lies. 

Vegas » 25 Jul 2023, 3:37 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 3:37 pm

Why would it be impossible to have that piece planted there within minutes? Also, with all of the chaos, would people really be questioning anything weird at that moment when all that shock and weirdness was going on anyway? If I witnessed a train wreck, that was still blazing with fire, I doubt I would be standing around looking for inconspicuous things. I would be looking at the train wreck that is on fire. Especially if I was one of the first responders. I would be busy trying to do my job.

You're making yourself look foolish. Conspiracy theories are fine if there's at least a smidgen of proof. But there's overwhelming evidence that the events of that day happened the way they were reported. Do you seriously think 1000's of ordinary citizens are involved in a cover up? C'mon man. You're being a "lying dog faced pony soldier."   

Z09 » 25 Jul 2023, 4:37 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 4:37 pm

And don't forget....

Another poster said the original plane was flown to Area 51.....
But somehow the bodies were at the crash site in DC ?

Well that's just **** stupid.

Z09 » 25 Jul 2023, 4:26 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 4:26 pm

87 witnesses saying they saw the plane hit the building...




https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/F77pentagon.html#p3
 

This whole thread is the same technique use in climate change as a narrative.

Yes 9/11 was an inside the species destroying itself attack over which ideology inherits the souls captured by reasonable doubt in next generations until some other system of denial takes over.

Z09 » 25 Jul 2023, 3:39 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 3:39 pm

I'm skeptical of my government more than ever...

Do I think the government could pull off 911?

Nope
Not a chance

#1 question.
Why?

I posted "why" about 20 times.

"""we need a new Pearl Harbor moment''''  LOL, the **** put it in writing in 2000.

911 has made $$$$TRILLIONS for the War Complex.  Whoever, however....we know who profited BIGLY.
 

Vegas » 25 Jul 2023, 3:37 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 3:37 pm

Why would it be impossible to have that piece planted there within minutes? Also, with all of the chaos, would people really be questioning anything weird at that moment when all that shock and weirdness was going on anyway? If I witnessed a train wreck, that was still blazing with fire, I doubt I would be standing around looking for inconspicuous things. I would be looking at the train wreck that is on fire. Especially if I was one of the first responders. I would be busy trying to do my job.

            The Photo wasn't taken by a First Responder... It was taken by Navy Journalist (Jo1) Mark Faram who was stationed at the Pentagon... The First responders were fighting fires, treating & rescuing survivors.... 

             I'm really trying to understand where you're coming from -- based on what you've posted in this discussion... This is what I've heard from you...
1. There were no 19 Al Qaeda Terrorists who hijacked 4 Commercial Airlines on Sept 11th 2001.
2. The Planes were taken over by remote control -- discounting Airport video footage of the Hijackers boarding these Flights.
3. The Phone calls & voice recordings from passengers & crew aboard the Planes to loved ones were either electronically fabricated or simply never occurred.. 
4. The Hijackers were not armed with Box Cutters --- despite people aboard communicating that other passengers & crew had been stabbed.. 
5. The voice recording of Hijacker Mohamed Atta warning Passengers to remain still was also either electronically created, or never occurred.. 
6. All 87+ Witnesses who saw a Commercial Airline crash into the Pentagon are either hallucinating - complicit in the attack & cover-up - or are also people who never existed..
7. The people who witnessed Plane debris inside the Pentagon crash site are also co-conspirators and lying.... They planted pieces of the Boeing 757 in the crash site while simultaneously removing all pieces & trace of the Missile that supposedly hit the Bldg.  
8. All of the eye witnesses and responders who saw or handled charred remains & body parts from Flight 77 are also lying, or were complicit in planting those human remains there.
9. The Forensic Anthropologist Dr. Robert Mann who played a lead in the task of identifying the remains (& partial remains) at Dover Air Force Base Delaware, as well as his 100 colleagues was also complicit in a cover-up.... 
 

Z09 » 25 Jul 2023, 6:04 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 6:04 pm

And you really think our government planned the murder of 3000 Americans to have a new "Pearl Harbor moment"?

I dont know honestly and Im not trolling.  They planned the Gulf of Tonkin false flag (declassified) so they could say the NV attacked the USA as justification for escalating that war which led to 60,000 dead Americans.  

If 911 was a false flag I think its more likely Bush Admin knew nothing about it.  US foreign policy is controlled by so many extremely powerful interests that supersede a President.  Recall Trump ordered ALL troops out of Syria in 2020 and later traitor Amb Jim Jeffrey admitted they rarely did what Trump requested.  He admitted they obeyed on paper, but never fully complied.  Thats the definition of the deep state.

If $TRILLIONS are to be made, bad actors and traitors in the deep state certainly could have "curated" the event.  Remember the US has had actors embedded with Islamic groups ever since the Reagan admin trained and funded......OSAMA BIN LADEN in the 80s.  Think of this, the US trained and funded the group in the 80s that had offshoots in 2001 involved in 911. 

The US still has 100s of actors embedded with these groups.  You never know when you might need a proxy army.

I just dont see how this is a stretch.  CUI BONO...who benefits. 
But no, I dont not believe the Bush admin was involved.  Likely a tail wagging the dog scenario.

 
 

Z09 » 25 Jul 2023, 7:52 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 7:52 pm

I think we were attacked on 911 by terrorists that had been attacking us for almost a decade...

Yes, the same terrorists the Reagan admin

curated and trained in Afghanistan in the 80s.

OSAMA BIN LADEN & the Mujahadeen...and its offshoots.

I know it hurts you....but these are established FACTS.

Your short response reveals your insecurity over the truth.    

Blowback is a bitch......we are again seeing this in Ukraine...another deep state proxy army.
 

Z09 » 25 Jul 2023, 8:32 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 8:32 pm

What are you even talking about?

I do not think our government planned and executed 911.

If you do then that's fine

Z09, yer better than this.

Now yer playing libbie word games, running, deflecting.

You saw my posts....then decided to troll.

You are why neocons are no better than libbies.  
 

Z09 » 25 Jul 2023, 8:32 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 8:32 pm

What are you even talking about?

I do not think our government planned and executed 911.

If you do then that's fine

""what are you even talking about?"" 

I posted it.  Common knowledge. Not even disputed.  Why start trolling?

The Reagan admin trained Osama and his terrorists in Afghanistan...

I was being cool...then you went pure neocon troll.  I know truth hurts you...I get it


 

 

This chat site

is the King

of butthurt and trolling.

Its is fun though  
 

Osama Bin Laden....

A creation of the CIA in the 80s

This is common knowledge.

Why be butthurt??

Sadly

Z09 just proved

he/she is the,,,,,,,NEOCON BRUCE.

A runner and a liar.

Kobia2 » 25 Jul 2023, 7:02 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 7:02 pm

            The Photo wasn't taken by a First Responder... It was taken by Navy Journalist (Jo1) Mark Faram who was stationed at the Pentagon... The First responders were fighting fires, treating & rescuing survivors.... 

             I'm really trying to understand where you're coming from -- based on what you've posted in this discussion... This is what I've heard from you...
1. There were no 19 Al Qaeda Terrorists who hijacked 4 Commercial Airlines on Sept 11th 2001.
2. The Planes were taken over by remote control -- discounting Airport video footage of the Hijackers boarding these Flights.
3. The Phone calls & voice recordings from passengers & crew aboard the Planes to loved ones were either electronically fabricated or simply never occurred.. 
4. The Hijackers were not armed with Box Cutters --- despite people aboard communicating that other passengers & crew had been stabbed.. 
5. The voice recording of Hijacker Mohamed Atta warning Passengers to remain still was also either electronically created, or never occurred.. 
6. All 87+ Witnesses who saw a Commercial Airline crash into the Pentagon are either hallucinating - complicit in the attack & cover-up - or are also people who never existed..
7. The people who witnessed Plane debris inside the Pentagon crash site are also co-conspirators and lying.... They planted pieces of the Boeing 757 in the crash site while simultaneously removing all pieces & trace of the Missile that supposedly hit the Bldg.  
8. All of the eye witnesses and responders who saw or handled charred remains & body parts from Flight 77 are also lying, or were complicit in planting those human remains there.
9. The Forensic Anthropologist Dr. Robert Mann who played a lead in the task of identifying the remains (& partial remains) at Dover Air Force Base Delaware, as well as his 100 colleagues was also complicit in a cover-up.... 

I am not pretending that I have an answer to any of these 9 points. I am just saying that many things don't add up. I am also going off of what many architects and engineers have questioned as well. A lot of engineers, respected ones, have a difficult time reconciling the 9/11 report given their own expertise in the fields of engineering. The way the twin towers fell, building 7 going down, the pentagon report, and many other things. They question it also. They aren't conspiracy theorist trying to cause problems. They just have doubts about what the 9/11 report claimed. 

Rock » 25 Jul 2023, 4:34 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 4:34 pm

You're making yourself look foolish. Conspiracy theories are fine if there's at least a smidgen of proof. But there's overwhelming evidence that the events of that day happened the way they were reported. Do you seriously think 1000's of ordinary citizens are involved in a cover up? C'mon man. You're being a "lying dog faced pony soldier." 

One simple question Rock. Ready? 

Pentagon: Where is the **** plane? 


Google "pics of 727 plane crashes." You will see many planes that at the very least still have their tails intact. Yes, the planes are a firing pile of twisted metal, but you can still see the parts of the plane. The tail especially. 

 

Z09 » 25 Jul 2023, 7:52 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 7:52 pm

I think we were attacked on 911 by terrorists that had been attacking us for almost a decade...

         This is why I have often raised the greatly overlooked significance of the 1993 World Trade Center attack in these 9/11 discussions..... It was the same Terrorist Organization (Al Qaeda) attacking one of the same targets as 8 years later in 2001... Had the 1993 plot gone as planned, many 1000s more would have been killed than on 9/11..

         Remember, the 1993 attack involved a 1500 lb Truck (Van) Bomb detonated in the underground parking garage of the North Tower.... The goal was to have the North Tower collapse from the bottom and topple the South Tower over in the process... 9 people were killed, and over 1000 injured that day... Yet this Terror attack remains a minor footnote because the result did not match the intent... 

         1993 is when we should have started treating these Terrorist Organizations and their attacks as a Geopolitical Military issue, and taken the offensive -- rather than waiting to be hit & respond by treating it as a Justice Dept. / Legal matter... Instead of bringing these Islamic maniacs to justice through international courts, we should have been searching them out and leaving them dead where ever we found them.. 

Z09 » 25 Jul 2023, 4:37 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 4:37 pm

And don't forget....

Another poster said the original plane was flown to Area 51.....
But somehow the bodies were at the crash site in DC ?

oh Gees-us. Did it ever dawn on you someone may have been kidding.