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Z09 » 25 Jul 2023, 6:04 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 6:04 pm

And you really think our government planned the murder of 3000 Americans to have a new "Pearl Harbor moment"?

I dont know honestly and Im not trolling.  They planned the Gulf of Tonkin false flag (declassified) so they could say the NV attacked the USA as justification for escalating that war which led to 60,000 dead Americans.  

If 911 was a false flag I think its more likely Bush Admin knew nothing about it.  US foreign policy is controlled by so many extremely powerful interests that supersede a President.  Recall Trump ordered ALL troops out of Syria in 2020 and later traitor Amb Jim Jeffrey admitted they rarely did what Trump requested.  He admitted they obeyed on paper, but never fully complied.  Thats the definition of the deep state.

If $TRILLIONS are to be made, bad actors and traitors in the deep state certainly could have "curated" the event.  Remember the US has had actors embedded with Islamic groups ever since the Reagan admin trained and funded......OSAMA BIN LADEN in the 80s.  Think of this, the US trained and funded the group in the 80s that had offshoots in 2001 involved in 911. 

The US still has 100s of actors embedded with these groups.  You never know when you might need a proxy army.

I just dont see how this is a stretch.  CUI BONO...who benefits. 
But no, I dont not believe the Bush admin was involved.  Likely a tail wagging the dog scenario.

 
 

Z09 » 25 Jul 2023, 7:52 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 7:52 pm

I think we were attacked on 911 by terrorists that had been attacking us for almost a decade...

Yes, the same terrorists the Reagan admin

curated and trained in Afghanistan in the 80s.

OSAMA BIN LADEN & the Mujahadeen...and its offshoots.

I know it hurts you....but these are established FACTS.

Your short response reveals your insecurity over the truth.    

Blowback is a bitch......we are again seeing this in Ukraine...another deep state proxy army.
 

Z09 » 25 Jul 2023, 8:32 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 8:32 pm

What are you even talking about?

I do not think our government planned and executed 911.

If you do then that's fine

Z09, yer better than this.

Now yer playing libbie word games, running, deflecting.

You saw my posts....then decided to troll.

You are why neocons are no better than libbies.  
 

Z09 » 25 Jul 2023, 8:32 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 8:32 pm

What are you even talking about?

I do not think our government planned and executed 911.

If you do then that's fine

""what are you even talking about?"" 

I posted it.  Common knowledge. Not even disputed.  Why start trolling?

The Reagan admin trained Osama and his terrorists in Afghanistan...

I was being cool...then you went pure neocon troll.  I know truth hurts you...I get it


 

 

This chat site

is the King

of butthurt and trolling.

Its is fun though  
 

Osama Bin Laden....

A creation of the CIA in the 80s

This is common knowledge.

Why be butthurt??

Sadly

Z09 just proved

he/she is the,,,,,,,NEOCON BRUCE.

A runner and a liar.

Kobia2 » 25 Jul 2023, 7:02 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 7:02 pm

            The Photo wasn't taken by a First Responder... It was taken by Navy Journalist (Jo1) Mark Faram who was stationed at the Pentagon... The First responders were fighting fires, treating & rescuing survivors.... 

             I'm really trying to understand where you're coming from -- based on what you've posted in this discussion... This is what I've heard from you...
1. There were no 19 Al Qaeda Terrorists who hijacked 4 Commercial Airlines on Sept 11th 2001.
2. The Planes were taken over by remote control -- discounting Airport video footage of the Hijackers boarding these Flights.
3. The Phone calls & voice recordings from passengers & crew aboard the Planes to loved ones were either electronically fabricated or simply never occurred.. 
4. The Hijackers were not armed with Box Cutters --- despite people aboard communicating that other passengers & crew had been stabbed.. 
5. The voice recording of Hijacker Mohamed Atta warning Passengers to remain still was also either electronically created, or never occurred.. 
6. All 87+ Witnesses who saw a Commercial Airline crash into the Pentagon are either hallucinating - complicit in the attack & cover-up - or are also people who never existed..
7. The people who witnessed Plane debris inside the Pentagon crash site are also co-conspirators and lying.... They planted pieces of the Boeing 757 in the crash site while simultaneously removing all pieces & trace of the Missile that supposedly hit the Bldg.  
8. All of the eye witnesses and responders who saw or handled charred remains & body parts from Flight 77 are also lying, or were complicit in planting those human remains there.
9. The Forensic Anthropologist Dr. Robert Mann who played a lead in the task of identifying the remains (& partial remains) at Dover Air Force Base Delaware, as well as his 100 colleagues was also complicit in a cover-up.... 

I am not pretending that I have an answer to any of these 9 points. I am just saying that many things don't add up. I am also going off of what many architects and engineers have questioned as well. A lot of engineers, respected ones, have a difficult time reconciling the 9/11 report given their own expertise in the fields of engineering. The way the twin towers fell, building 7 going down, the pentagon report, and many other things. They question it also. They aren't conspiracy theorist trying to cause problems. They just have doubts about what the 9/11 report claimed. 

Rock » 25 Jul 2023, 4:34 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 4:34 pm

You're making yourself look foolish. Conspiracy theories are fine if there's at least a smidgen of proof. But there's overwhelming evidence that the events of that day happened the way they were reported. Do you seriously think 1000's of ordinary citizens are involved in a cover up? C'mon man. You're being a "lying dog faced pony soldier." 

One simple question Rock. Ready? 

Pentagon: Where is the **** plane? 


Google "pics of 727 plane crashes." You will see many planes that at the very least still have their tails intact. Yes, the planes are a firing pile of twisted metal, but you can still see the parts of the plane. The tail especially. 

 

Z09 » 25 Jul 2023, 7:52 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 7:52 pm

I think we were attacked on 911 by terrorists that had been attacking us for almost a decade...

         This is why I have often raised the greatly overlooked significance of the 1993 World Trade Center attack in these 9/11 discussions..... It was the same Terrorist Organization (Al Qaeda) attacking one of the same targets as 8 years later in 2001... Had the 1993 plot gone as planned, many 1000s more would have been killed than on 9/11..

         Remember, the 1993 attack involved a 1500 lb Truck (Van) Bomb detonated in the underground parking garage of the North Tower.... The goal was to have the North Tower collapse from the bottom and topple the South Tower over in the process... 9 people were killed, and over 1000 injured that day... Yet this Terror attack remains a minor footnote because the result did not match the intent... 

         1993 is when we should have started treating these Terrorist Organizations and their attacks as a Geopolitical Military issue, and taken the offensive -- rather than waiting to be hit & respond by treating it as a Justice Dept. / Legal matter... Instead of bringing these Islamic maniacs to justice through international courts, we should have been searching them out and leaving them dead where ever we found them.. 

Z09 » 25 Jul 2023, 4:37 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 4:37 pm

And don't forget....

Another poster said the original plane was flown to Area 51.....
But somehow the bodies were at the crash site in DC ?

oh Gees-us. Did it ever dawn on you someone may have been kidding.    
 

sootedupCyndi » 25 Jul 2023, 11:46 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 11:46 pm

oh Gees-us. Did it ever dawn on you someone may have been kidding.  

I just read your signature. Did she really say that?     

Vegas » 25 Jul 2023, 11:05 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 11:05 pm

One simple question Rock. Ready? 

Pentagon: Where is the **** plane? 

Google "pics of 727 plane crashes." You will see many planes that at the very least still have their tails intact. Yes, the planes are a firing pile of twisted metal, but you can still see the parts of the plane. The tail especially.

          It wasn't a 727... Flight 77 was a Boeing 757..... 
   
         Do you have any photos of such a fuel-loaded Boeing 757 Aircraft traveling at 550 mph striking a Steel Reinforced concrete structure, thats Steel supports had been recently Wrapped & Strengthened with Bio-Tech Mesh? 

        
 

Vegas » 25 Jul 2023, 11:56 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 11:56 pm

I just read your signature. Did she really say that?   

You mean my siggy? YES. and bragged about saying it a few times too.    
 

Z09 » 25 Jul 2023, 10:44 am » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 10:44 am

Tell us...
There's no photos of the Titanic sinking....

Are you convinced it went down?

Sure, there are plenty of convincing pictures of the wreckage..

But if there were hundreds of surveillance cameras on the iceberg and there were no pictures of the Titanic hitting it I'm sure questions would be asked..

 


 

Kobia2 » 25 Jul 2023, 12:05 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 12:05 pm

            There are 2 Videos of such, from where the Security Cameras were mounted on the section of the Bldg. referred to was "Wedge 1".. The reason both Videos of Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon appear as a quick blurr is because those Cameras had a slow speed Rate of 1 Frame per Second ----  The Plane was traveling 550 miles an hour, which is 780 ft per Second when it struck the Pentagon.... yes, it would be great if these 2 security cameras at the Pentagon were of a high-speed type that would have captured clear pictures, but they were most likely for videoing motor vehicles & people at ground level --- which the Camera's positioning were directed at... 

            The absence of more clear footage of the Plane, doesn't negate the enormous preponderance of additional eyewitness &  physical evidence supporting the fact American Airlines Flight 77 was flown into the Pentagon.. 

I already told you that it's impossible for a boeing 727 to fly at 550 mph at ground level.. and security cameras at the Pentagon with 1 frame a second.. lol.. they couldn't even capture a speeding car then.. and why did it take 5 years and a freedom of information suit to release those videos.. but that doesn't negate this very simple question.. why do you keep avoiding it?


 

 

When 9/11 happened, a Republican sat in the White House. The original 9/11 deniers or inside job proponents were virtually all extreme lefties.

But over the years, if you don’t believe the truth about the JFK assassination or 9:11 or if you believe UFOs are from other worlds or if Obama’s birth is suspicious of if Dr Fauci is evil or if Sleepy Joe Biden is the head of his own crime family, then you probably love Donald Trump AND RFK Jr, both.

I was about 20 before I accepted the truth about Pearl Harbor was, the Japs got a lick in on us, and FDR had nothing to do with it. I was 35 before I accepted the Warren Commission Report as gospel. Now I’m ashamed of myself I couldn’t see truth earlier.’

In my defense, Pearl Harbor so much served the interests of FDR and the death of JFK was such a gift to LBJ it took me a long time to admit some truths are coincidences.
 
 
Truth is non partisan.  It does not ever change to fit your ideology.


 

Z09 » 25 Jul 2023, 4:37 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 4:37 pm

And don't forget....

Another poster said the original plane was flown to Area 51.....

lol... I never said that but it's fun to watch you whine about it, everyone gets it besides you..

But somehow the bodies were at the crash site in DC ?

The bodies never were at the crash site, how many times do you need to be told?

 




 

Why did GW ignore the warnings coming from his National Security people and the Military?

Can anyone explain? Was he too dumb for the job?

razoo » 26 Jul 2023, 3:46 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 3:46 am

Why did GW ignore the warnings coming from his National Security people and the Military?

Can anyone explain? Was he too dumb for the job?

The President gets security briefings daily.
 
If Bush or FDR had been given good briefings neither 9/11 or Pearl Harbor would have happened the way they did.

Bush was the worst public speaker in our lifetimes, worse than Biden.

But Bush was never, no way, a traitor.