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sootedupCyndi » 25 Jul 2023, 11:46 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 11:46 pm

oh Gees-us. Did it ever dawn on you someone may have been kidding.  

I just read your signature. Did she really say that?     

Vegas » 25 Jul 2023, 11:05 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 11:05 pm

One simple question Rock. Ready? 

Pentagon: Where is the **** plane? 

Google "pics of 727 plane crashes." You will see many planes that at the very least still have their tails intact. Yes, the planes are a firing pile of twisted metal, but you can still see the parts of the plane. The tail especially.

          It wasn't a 727... Flight 77 was a Boeing 757..... 
   
         Do you have any photos of such a fuel-loaded Boeing 757 Aircraft traveling at 550 mph striking a Steel Reinforced concrete structure, thats Steel supports had been recently Wrapped & Strengthened with Bio-Tech Mesh? 

        
 

Vegas » 25 Jul 2023, 11:56 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 11:56 pm

I just read your signature. Did she really say that?   

You mean my siggy? YES. and bragged about saying it a few times too.    
 

Z09 » 25 Jul 2023, 10:44 am » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 10:44 am

Tell us...
There's no photos of the Titanic sinking....

Are you convinced it went down?

Sure, there are plenty of convincing pictures of the wreckage..

But if there were hundreds of surveillance cameras on the iceberg and there were no pictures of the Titanic hitting it I'm sure questions would be asked..

 


 

Kobia2 » 25 Jul 2023, 12:05 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 12:05 pm

            There are 2 Videos of such, from where the Security Cameras were mounted on the section of the Bldg. referred to was "Wedge 1".. The reason both Videos of Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon appear as a quick blurr is because those Cameras had a slow speed Rate of 1 Frame per Second ----  The Plane was traveling 550 miles an hour, which is 780 ft per Second when it struck the Pentagon.... yes, it would be great if these 2 security cameras at the Pentagon were of a high-speed type that would have captured clear pictures, but they were most likely for videoing motor vehicles & people at ground level --- which the Camera's positioning were directed at... 

            The absence of more clear footage of the Plane, doesn't negate the enormous preponderance of additional eyewitness &  physical evidence supporting the fact American Airlines Flight 77 was flown into the Pentagon.. 

I already told you that it's impossible for a boeing 727 to fly at 550 mph at ground level.. and security cameras at the Pentagon with 1 frame a second.. lol.. they couldn't even capture a speeding car then.. and why did it take 5 years and a freedom of information suit to release those videos.. but that doesn't negate this very simple question.. why do you keep avoiding it?


 

 

When 9/11 happened, a Republican sat in the White House. The original 9/11 deniers or inside job proponents were virtually all extreme lefties.

But over the years, if you don’t believe the truth about the JFK assassination or 9:11 or if you believe UFOs are from other worlds or if Obama’s birth is suspicious of if Dr Fauci is evil or if Sleepy Joe Biden is the head of his own crime family, then you probably love Donald Trump AND RFK Jr, both.

I was about 20 before I accepted the truth about Pearl Harbor was, the Japs got a lick in on us, and FDR had nothing to do with it. I was 35 before I accepted the Warren Commission Report as gospel. Now I’m ashamed of myself I couldn’t see truth earlier.’

In my defense, Pearl Harbor so much served the interests of FDR and the death of JFK was such a gift to LBJ it took me a long time to admit some truths are coincidences.
 
 
Truth is non partisan.  It does not ever change to fit your ideology.


 

Z09 » 25 Jul 2023, 4:37 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 4:37 pm

And don't forget....

Another poster said the original plane was flown to Area 51.....

lol... I never said that but it's fun to watch you whine about it, everyone gets it besides you..

But somehow the bodies were at the crash site in DC ?

The bodies never were at the crash site, how many times do you need to be told?

 




 

Why did GW ignore the warnings coming from his National Security people and the Military?

Can anyone explain? Was he too dumb for the job?

razoo » 26 Jul 2023, 3:46 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 3:46 am

Why did GW ignore the warnings coming from his National Security people and the Military?

Can anyone explain? Was he too dumb for the job?

The President gets security briefings daily.
 
If Bush or FDR had been given good briefings neither 9/11 or Pearl Harbor would have happened the way they did.

Bush was the worst public speaker in our lifetimes, worse than Biden.

But Bush was never, no way, a traitor.

Of course he rec'd updated situations ........ it was his choice to ignore the warnings.

Traitor? Matter of opinion.........
https://apjjf.org/-William-E.-Odom/2335/article.html

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 Bush's support for Manuel Noriega and his eventual invasion of Panama, the pardoning of Iran-Contra criminals, the dirty wars in ... 
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Scion of traitors and warlords: why Bush is coy about his ...The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com › usa.angeliquechrisafis
Jan 27, 2005 — Local historians in Wexford have discovered that George Bush is a descendant of Strongbow, the power-hungry warlord who led the Norman invasion ...


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The blood on George W Bush's hands will never dry. Don't ...https://www.theguardian.com › commentisfree › oct
Oct 20, 2017 — George W Bush caused far more harm to the country and planet than Trump has so far, and maybe ever will.


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President Declares "Freedom at War with Fear"National Archives | (.gov)
https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov › 2001/09
President Bush addressed a joint session of Congress and the American people tonight, ... The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, ...


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We Shouldn't Have to Remind People George W. Bush ...
Jacobinhttps://jacobin.com › 2020/08 › george-w-bush-iraq-tr...
Aug 21, 2020 — Bush Was a Terrible President. By: Ari Rabin-Havt. The campaign to normalize the George W. Bush presidency is part of a broader campaign to ...


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Inside George W. Bush's ClosetPolitico
https://www.politico.com › magazine › story › 2014/06
Evertz says Bush's political guru, Karl Rove, for a time would only give him clearance for public appearances if he promised not to be billed as the first ...
Party: Republican Party 


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The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murdermazon.com
https://www.amazon.com › Prosecution-George-W-Bu...
Bush on trial in an American courtroom for the murder of nearly 4,000 American soldiers fighting the war in Iraq. Bugliosi sets forth the legal architecture and ...
 
 

Z09 » 26 Jul 2023, 4:33 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 4:33 am

So you never said the plane was flown to Area 51?

Wanna bet?

Sure, this should be good... 

 


 

Z09 » 26 Jul 2023, 4:54 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 4:54 am

What's the difference?

How shall I put this... nah, I give up...

     


 
 

Sumela » 25 Jul 2023, 5:44 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 5:44 pm

I posted "why" about 20 times.

"""we need a new Pearl Harbor moment''''  LOL, the **** put it in writing in 2000.

911 has made $$$$TRILLIONS for the War Complex.  Whoever, however....we know who profited BIGLY.
 

Staged events again. Species eliminating itself from the inside out to save intellectual realities from discovering how actual evolving has always evolved in the moment here.

So many ways to avoid actual evolving and only one way it continues in plain sight experienced equally by each ancestor conceived to replace their previous 4 generation gaps they carry an eternal grudge against for not asking them if they wanted conceived into living eternally separated now. Every species evolves from this constant, only humans ae able to ignore it so completely rule of law corrupts each great great grandchild added. Smartest species in the atmosphere and the best it has done was fool itself. History recorded it all.

One rule, adapt or become extinct. It is a universal results of natural perpetual motion energized by contracting results expanding details never duplicated twice by any individual result present.

Inorganic erodes after combined periodic elements form, and chromosomes extend the life of a species each generation gap added native to a specific atmosphere, in a specific solar system, in a specific galaxy here now.

Space time relativity is just comparing parts of the whole against one another That philosophy, psychology, mind over matter, context over content, symbolism over substance, actual life cannot be understood without a social consensus of who's who in charge of tomorrows today.

You enjoy circle jerking because the false advantages created in reality don't work when instinctive brains are aware of their body's direct proportion time displaced adapting to space never same total sum twice.

Thermodynamic principles. Humanity invented too many principals interpreting things by imagining anything else is possible and people rather believe life exceeds the moment than understand genetics eternally separates each occupying time now.

That simplicity ignored produced all the tyranny history has achieved within this species, including my own ancestry. A mind has no sense of genetic proportion of self, family, friends, life limited to mutually evolving in plain sight.

means, motives, methods, rule of law, mayhem, madness, misery coming from vernacular tribalism of debating life by relative time results of genetics eternally separates ancestors currently here isn't factual to social consensus through the ages of people wishing for better tomorrows today.

how, why, what, where, when, which, place, thing, person occupying space each rotation of the planet perpetually balancing 3rd from the star since inception of homo sapiens in this atmosphere's natural food chain reaction between erosion and decomposition of the past into current events shaping everything evolling forward one details at a time now as a whole is equal to total sum of all its parts.

I never could mind power of suggesting I don't exist without validation of everyone else outside my skin. My brain just won't believe that is possible. So I defend my time, not other peoples ideas how evolving should go forward unnaturally by clock and calendar staged events avoiding the constant outcome of living as eternally separated here, now.

Z09 » 26 Jul 2023, 5:00 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 5:00 am

You stated the plane could have been dumped in the ocean or taken to Area 51...

It's in the above post

Tssk, Tssk...

Z09 » 26 Jul 2023, 5:01 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 5:01 am

The plane was taken to Area 51

You said it 
Not me

 You not only do irony, you also don't do sarcasm..

Another who the **** cares, the deep state is good at making things disappear, maybe they dumped it in the ocean, maybe it went to area 51..

Now that you lost the bet I think you should get with the program and answer the question.. and please don't ask which one..

 



 
 

Z09 » 26 Jul 2023, 5:12 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 5:12 am

Probst, Frank
Frank Probst . . . [a] Pentagon renovation worker and retired Army officer . . . was inspecting newly installed telecommunications wiring inside the five-story, 6.5-million-square-foot building.

On either side of him, three streetlights had been sheared in half by the airliner's wings at 12 to 15 feet above the ground. An engine had clipped the antenna off a Jeep Grand Cherokee stalled in traffic not far away.

It's a cool tale to tell the children but I'm curious, how does that work, do they have streetlights in the Pentagon?

Not to mention the fact that six feet away from the engine would put him inside the hole in the Pentagon, he would be dead...


 
 

Z09 » 26 Jul 2023, 5:20 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 5:20 am

You stated the plane could have been taken to Area 51?

Yes or no?????
 

Yes, that's what I said..

Everyone see's it...

Everyone also sees that's not what the bet was about...

 


 


 

Thermite and the Khazarian Mafia. 
end of story 

Z09 » 26 Jul 2023, 6:14 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 6:14 am

There's 87 witnesses that told what they saw that day...

And you say they're all lying?

So...
You say a missile hit the building and the FBI agents were phony...

Tell us..
What happened to the American Airlines plane that dozens and dozens of people said flew over their cars and crashed into the Pentagon?
 

Jantje is a disciple of reasonable doubt. All he does is prevent other people from looking at life from instinctive perception of evolving simultaneously here one of a kind.

He is defending his intellectual soul career of a lifetime. It is all humanity taught his entire ancestry with as it does everyone harboring ideas life exceeds limited to evolving here now as genetics eternally separates all living things to relative time ancestrally here.

Even inanimate objects are evolving since combined elements to eroding away never to be the same form shaped since arrival. Alive in movements and evolving isn't same thing as adapting in the moment living for the time one has since conceived to decomposed.

why won't people of character recognize how their gender displacement actually exists in the kinetics of evolving in plain sight now.

Everyone is subliminally trained to know, anyone tries is eliminated from their geographical reality. Shunned by family, exiled by community, executed for resisting intellectual minds saving humanity.

Jantje_Smit » 26 Jul 2023, 2:10 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 2:10 am

I already told you that it's impossible for a boeing 727 to fly at 550 mph at ground level.. and security cameras at the Pentagon with 1 frame a second.. lol.. they couldn't even capture a speeding car then.. and why did it take 5 years and a freedom of information suit to release those videos.. but that doesn't negate this very simple question.. why do you keep avoiding it?

         Your question was answered, I avoided nothing...... I have a few questions of my own if you'd like to take a stab at answering... 

   1.  You are probably basing the false notion that it was impossible for a 757 to fly at 550 mph at that low altitude on what the conspiracy theorists and naysayers refer to as "Ground Effect"..... And it's simply incorrect. There are numerous sources which dispel this and prove otherwise... Below is one source that does such, and I've posted some of the excerpts... It is technical and lengthy, but does explain both how the plane flew at such speed at that low altitude, and that it didn't require a high skill level for the Hijacker pilot to hit the Pentagon --- which is one of the largest office buildings in the world. 

 2.  I'm sure you can do some researching and perhaps learn why it took that Freedom of Information Act to get them to release the Videos --- the Government initially withheld the release of the Video footage because they claimed it might taint  the jury pool in the sentencing trial of confessed 9/11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui, you let me know the basis why it wasn't released to the public after the trial ---I'll keep an open mind . 

3.  You should be researching why the Pentagon was not using high speed cameras --- in case a commercial Airline traveling at low altitude & 550 mph were to strike that part of the building... Is it your belief they did have such cameras, and in fact captured a MIssile hitting the Pentagon, then made such cameras & footage disappear?... 

 4.  Do you believe that because a clear enough still frame photo or motion video footage of Flight 77 impacting the Pentagon has not surfaced, that it negates every piece of physical evidence ( including Flight 77's Flight Recorder and the remains / body parts of the passengers & crew)  and 87 eyewitness accounts from people who saw the Plane --- which most identified as a Commercial Airliner flying towards or hitting the Pentagon, with several witnesses stating they saw the planes wings clipping and knocking over street lights as it took aim... Is there a single credible witness who saw a Missile or anything else other than a Plane hit the Pentagon?

         Here's the excerpts from the Site discussing Ground Effect: 
https://www.911facts.dk/?p=7230&lang=en

 

In the case of Flight 77, which admittedly flew very close to the ground in the final phase of the flight before the collision, there was no ground effect that prevented the plane from hitting the Pentagon. Flight 77 flew at high speed with a low angle of attack which is precisely the opposite factors of what causes the ground effect.
It also follows from the laws of aerodynamics that planes do not reduce speed to avoid ground effect, as Tommy Hansen claims. On the contrary, the ground effect occurs because the speed is reduced (combined with a high angle of attack). Moreover, as shown in this video collage, there is no problem for a Boeing 757 to fly at high speed near the ground.....  All in all, there is nothing in support of the claim that the ground effect prevented Flight 77 from hitting the Pentagon.
    
     
  
 
 

Z09 » 26 Jul 2023, 6:14 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 6:14 am

There's 87 witnesses that told what they saw that day...

And you say they're all lying?

Nah, most of them are probably convinced they are telling the truth... they saw something hit the Pentagon, the headlines scream it was terrorists hijacking planes so that must have been what they saw, they embellished their story and told the media so they could get their 15 minutes of fame..

Some of them clearly just made it up though, that's one of them..

So...
You say a missile hit the building and the FBI agents were phony...

Yes, the FBI agents that confiscated the tapes were there 5 minutes afterwards, they knew it was going to happen..

Tell us..
What happened to the American Airlines plane that dozens and dozens of people said flew over their cars and crashed into the Pentagon?

lol.. I already told you..

Another who the **** cares, the deep state is good at making things disappear, maybe they dumped it in the ocean, maybe it went to area 51..