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Of course he rec'd updated situations ........ it was his choice to ignore the warnings.

Traitor? Matter of opinion.........
https://apjjf.org/-William-E.-Odom/2335/article.html

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The blood on George W Bush's hands will never dry. Don't ...https://www.theguardian.com › commentisfree › oct
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President Declares "Freedom at War with Fear"National Archives | (.gov)
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Inside George W. Bush's ClosetPolitico
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The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murdermazon.com
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Bush on trial in an American courtroom for the murder of nearly 4,000 American soldiers fighting the war in Iraq. Bugliosi sets forth the legal architecture and ...
 
 

Z09 » 26 Jul 2023, 4:33 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 4:33 am

So you never said the plane was flown to Area 51?

Wanna bet?

Sure, this should be good... 

 


 

Z09 » 26 Jul 2023, 4:54 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 4:54 am

What's the difference?

How shall I put this... nah, I give up...

     


 
 

Sumela » 25 Jul 2023, 5:44 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2023, 5:44 pm

I posted "why" about 20 times.

"""we need a new Pearl Harbor moment''''  LOL, the **** put it in writing in 2000.

911 has made $$$$TRILLIONS for the War Complex.  Whoever, however....we know who profited BIGLY.
 

Staged events again. Species eliminating itself from the inside out to save intellectual realities from discovering how actual evolving has always evolved in the moment here.

So many ways to avoid actual evolving and only one way it continues in plain sight experienced equally by each ancestor conceived to replace their previous 4 generation gaps they carry an eternal grudge against for not asking them if they wanted conceived into living eternally separated now. Every species evolves from this constant, only humans ae able to ignore it so completely rule of law corrupts each great great grandchild added. Smartest species in the atmosphere and the best it has done was fool itself. History recorded it all.

One rule, adapt or become extinct. It is a universal results of natural perpetual motion energized by contracting results expanding details never duplicated twice by any individual result present.

Inorganic erodes after combined periodic elements form, and chromosomes extend the life of a species each generation gap added native to a specific atmosphere, in a specific solar system, in a specific galaxy here now.

Space time relativity is just comparing parts of the whole against one another That philosophy, psychology, mind over matter, context over content, symbolism over substance, actual life cannot be understood without a social consensus of who's who in charge of tomorrows today.

You enjoy circle jerking because the false advantages created in reality don't work when instinctive brains are aware of their body's direct proportion time displaced adapting to space never same total sum twice.

Thermodynamic principles. Humanity invented too many principals interpreting things by imagining anything else is possible and people rather believe life exceeds the moment than understand genetics eternally separates each occupying time now.

That simplicity ignored produced all the tyranny history has achieved within this species, including my own ancestry. A mind has no sense of genetic proportion of self, family, friends, life limited to mutually evolving in plain sight.

means, motives, methods, rule of law, mayhem, madness, misery coming from vernacular tribalism of debating life by relative time results of genetics eternally separates ancestors currently here isn't factual to social consensus through the ages of people wishing for better tomorrows today.

how, why, what, where, when, which, place, thing, person occupying space each rotation of the planet perpetually balancing 3rd from the star since inception of homo sapiens in this atmosphere's natural food chain reaction between erosion and decomposition of the past into current events shaping everything evolling forward one details at a time now as a whole is equal to total sum of all its parts.

I never could mind power of suggesting I don't exist without validation of everyone else outside my skin. My brain just won't believe that is possible. So I defend my time, not other peoples ideas how evolving should go forward unnaturally by clock and calendar staged events avoiding the constant outcome of living as eternally separated here, now.

Z09 » 26 Jul 2023, 5:00 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 5:00 am

You stated the plane could have been dumped in the ocean or taken to Area 51...

It's in the above post

Tssk, Tssk...

Z09 » 26 Jul 2023, 5:01 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 5:01 am

The plane was taken to Area 51

You said it 
Not me

 You not only do irony, you also don't do sarcasm..

Another who the **** cares, the deep state is good at making things disappear, maybe they dumped it in the ocean, maybe it went to area 51..

Now that you lost the bet I think you should get with the program and answer the question.. and please don't ask which one..

 



 
 

Z09 » 26 Jul 2023, 5:12 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 5:12 am

Probst, Frank
Frank Probst . . . [a] Pentagon renovation worker and retired Army officer . . . was inspecting newly installed telecommunications wiring inside the five-story, 6.5-million-square-foot building.

On either side of him, three streetlights had been sheared in half by the airliner's wings at 12 to 15 feet above the ground. An engine had clipped the antenna off a Jeep Grand Cherokee stalled in traffic not far away.

It's a cool tale to tell the children but I'm curious, how does that work, do they have streetlights in the Pentagon?

Not to mention the fact that six feet away from the engine would put him inside the hole in the Pentagon, he would be dead...


 
 

Z09 » 26 Jul 2023, 5:20 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 5:20 am

You stated the plane could have been taken to Area 51?

Yes or no?????
 

Yes, that's what I said..

Everyone see's it...

Everyone also sees that's not what the bet was about...

 


 


 

Thermite and the Khazarian Mafia. 
end of story 

Z09 » 26 Jul 2023, 6:14 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 6:14 am

There's 87 witnesses that told what they saw that day...

And you say they're all lying?

So...
You say a missile hit the building and the FBI agents were phony...

Tell us..
What happened to the American Airlines plane that dozens and dozens of people said flew over their cars and crashed into the Pentagon?
 

Jantje is a disciple of reasonable doubt. All he does is prevent other people from looking at life from instinctive perception of evolving simultaneously here one of a kind.

He is defending his intellectual soul career of a lifetime. It is all humanity taught his entire ancestry with as it does everyone harboring ideas life exceeds limited to evolving here now as genetics eternally separates all living things to relative time ancestrally here.

Even inanimate objects are evolving since combined elements to eroding away never to be the same form shaped since arrival. Alive in movements and evolving isn't same thing as adapting in the moment living for the time one has since conceived to decomposed.

why won't people of character recognize how their gender displacement actually exists in the kinetics of evolving in plain sight now.

Everyone is subliminally trained to know, anyone tries is eliminated from their geographical reality. Shunned by family, exiled by community, executed for resisting intellectual minds saving humanity.

Jantje_Smit » 26 Jul 2023, 2:10 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 2:10 am

I already told you that it's impossible for a boeing 727 to fly at 550 mph at ground level.. and security cameras at the Pentagon with 1 frame a second.. lol.. they couldn't even capture a speeding car then.. and why did it take 5 years and a freedom of information suit to release those videos.. but that doesn't negate this very simple question.. why do you keep avoiding it?

         Your question was answered, I avoided nothing...... I have a few questions of my own if you'd like to take a stab at answering... 

   1.  You are probably basing the false notion that it was impossible for a 757 to fly at 550 mph at that low altitude on what the conspiracy theorists and naysayers refer to as "Ground Effect"..... And it's simply incorrect. There are numerous sources which dispel this and prove otherwise... Below is one source that does such, and I've posted some of the excerpts... It is technical and lengthy, but does explain both how the plane flew at such speed at that low altitude, and that it didn't require a high skill level for the Hijacker pilot to hit the Pentagon --- which is one of the largest office buildings in the world. 

 2.  I'm sure you can do some researching and perhaps learn why it took that Freedom of Information Act to get them to release the Videos --- the Government initially withheld the release of the Video footage because they claimed it might taint  the jury pool in the sentencing trial of confessed 9/11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui, you let me know the basis why it wasn't released to the public after the trial ---I'll keep an open mind . 

3.  You should be researching why the Pentagon was not using high speed cameras --- in case a commercial Airline traveling at low altitude & 550 mph were to strike that part of the building... Is it your belief they did have such cameras, and in fact captured a MIssile hitting the Pentagon, then made such cameras & footage disappear?... 

 4.  Do you believe that because a clear enough still frame photo or motion video footage of Flight 77 impacting the Pentagon has not surfaced, that it negates every piece of physical evidence ( including Flight 77's Flight Recorder and the remains / body parts of the passengers & crew)  and 87 eyewitness accounts from people who saw the Plane --- which most identified as a Commercial Airliner flying towards or hitting the Pentagon, with several witnesses stating they saw the planes wings clipping and knocking over street lights as it took aim... Is there a single credible witness who saw a Missile or anything else other than a Plane hit the Pentagon?

         Here's the excerpts from the Site discussing Ground Effect: 
https://www.911facts.dk/?p=7230&lang=en

 

In the case of Flight 77, which admittedly flew very close to the ground in the final phase of the flight before the collision, there was no ground effect that prevented the plane from hitting the Pentagon. Flight 77 flew at high speed with a low angle of attack which is precisely the opposite factors of what causes the ground effect.
It also follows from the laws of aerodynamics that planes do not reduce speed to avoid ground effect, as Tommy Hansen claims. On the contrary, the ground effect occurs because the speed is reduced (combined with a high angle of attack). Moreover, as shown in this video collage, there is no problem for a Boeing 757 to fly at high speed near the ground.....  All in all, there is nothing in support of the claim that the ground effect prevented Flight 77 from hitting the Pentagon.
    
     
  
 
 

Z09 » 26 Jul 2023, 6:14 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 6:14 am

There's 87 witnesses that told what they saw that day...

And you say they're all lying?

Nah, most of them are probably convinced they are telling the truth... they saw something hit the Pentagon, the headlines scream it was terrorists hijacking planes so that must have been what they saw, they embellished their story and told the media so they could get their 15 minutes of fame..

Some of them clearly just made it up though, that's one of them..

So...
You say a missile hit the building and the FBI agents were phony...

Yes, the FBI agents that confiscated the tapes were there 5 minutes afterwards, they knew it was going to happen..

Tell us..
What happened to the American Airlines plane that dozens and dozens of people said flew over their cars and crashed into the Pentagon?

lol.. I already told you..

Another who the **** cares, the deep state is good at making things disappear, maybe they dumped it in the ocean, maybe it went to area 51..

 


 
 

Kobia2 » 26 Jul 2023, 6:37 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 6:37 am

         Your question was answered, I avoided nothing......

Oh yes, you did, you clearly avoid answering this question...

 


 
 

Kobia2 » 26 Jul 2023, 6:37 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 6:37 am

         ...... I have a few questions of my own if you'd like to take a stab at answering...

But since you took the effort of typing all that I will take a swab...

   1.  You are probably basing the false notion that it was impossible for a 757 to fly at 550 mph at that low altitude on what the conspiracy theorists and naysayers refer to as "Ground Effect"..... And it's simply incorrect. There are numerous sources which dispel this and prove otherwise... Below is one source that does such, and I've posted some of the excerpts... It is technical and lengthy, but does explain both how the plane flew at such speed at that low altitude, and that it didn't require a high skill level for the Hijacker pilot to hit the Pentagon --- which is one of the largest office buildings in the world. 

I'm not going to bother with that once since it doesn't matter if the plane (that didn't hit the Pentagon) went 300mph or 500mph, I call it **** that some terrorist from a cave in Afghanistan could pull it off after spending a few hours on a simulator though..

 2.  I'm sure you can do some researching and perhaps learn why it took that Freedom of Information Act to get them to release the Videos --- the Government initially withheld the release of the Video footage because they claimed it might taint  the jury pool in the sentencing trial of confessed 9/11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui, you let me know the basis why it wasn't released to the public after the trial ---I'll keep an open mind . 

I'm sure.. hope.. you can do some thinking and perhaps learn that explanation doesn't make any sense.. the footage of planes hitting the towers didn't taint the jury pool but footage of a plane (missile) hitting the Pentagon might?

3.  You should be researching why the Pentagon was not using high speed cameras --- in case a commercial Airline traveling at low altitude & 550 mph were to strike that part of the building... Is it your belief they did have such cameras, and in fact captured a MIssile hitting the Pentagon, then made such cameras & footage disappear?... 

Yes, that's my belief..

4.  Do you believe that because a clear enough still frame photo or motion video footage of Flight 77 impacting the Pentagon has not surfaced, that it negates every piece of physical evidence ( including Flight 77's Flight Recorder and the remains / body parts of the passengers & crew)  and 87 eyewitness accounts from people who saw the Plane --- which most identified as a Commercial Airliner flying towards or hitting the Pentagon, with several witnesses stating they saw the planes wings clipping and knocking over street lights as it took aim... Is there a single credible witness who saw a Missile or anything else other than a Plane hit the Pentagon?

It wouldn't negate it if the physical evidence was credible.. but it isn't, that's the point, if there was clear airplane wreckage lying around, luggage and dead bodies everywhere then no one would care about the missing pictures.. but that's lacking, which is suspicious and that only makes the missing pictures even more suspicious...


 
     
 

Z09 » 26 Jul 2023, 7:48 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 7:48 am

You're just being ignorant...
There were dead bodies and they were brought to Dover Base.. 

Really, I suppose I could ask for some pictures of dead bodies (from passengers) being removed from the Pentagon but let's not go there..

Have you ever counted how many people would have to be in your little consipracy?

I never bothered to count them but I guess maybe a few dozen.. of course there were more people involved but most of them were just following orders, maybe they knew something suspicious was going on but they knew better than to ask questions..

And of course when asked the # 1 question ..."What happened to the plane if it didn't crash into the Pentagon".....your mind just goes blank...

This is getting annoying, I know you can't help it but you really are in desperate need of a mirror...

 


 
 

USA/CIA trained Osama Bin Laden in the 80s....

dang, talk about a bad idea

right??

Jantje_Smit » 26 Jul 2023, 7:37 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 7:37 am

But since you took the effort of typing all that I will take a swab...

I'm not going to bother with that once since it doesn't matter if the plane (that didn't the Pentagon) went 300mph or 500mph, I call it **** that some terrorist from a cave in Afghanistan could pull it off after spending a few hours on a simulator though..

I'm sure.. hope.. you can do some thinking and perhaps learn that explanation doesn't make any sense.. the footage of planes hitting the towers didn't taint the jury pool but footage of a plane (missile) hitting the Pentagon might?

Yes, that's my belief..

It wouldn't negate it if the physical evidence was credible.. but it isn't, that's the point, if there was clear airplane wreckage lying around, luggage and dead bodies everywhere then no one would care about the missing pictures.. but that's lacking, which is suspicious and that only makes the missing pictures even more suspicious...


 
     

         1.   First you said it was impossible that a Commercial Boeing 757 could fly that low at such speed --- Wherever you learned that from they were wrong... 

         2.  Now you assert the Hijackers were cave-dwellers incapable of executing the attack.... All 4 Terrorists who piloted the Planes were college educated... The remaining 15 were for the physical task of overpowering the Planes Crew .. The Pilot who took over control of Flight 77 Hani Hanjour was actually the only one of the 4 Pilots who already had his Pilot's License prior to being recruited by Al Qaeda to be trained  for the 9/11 Mission... He received his Pilot's License in Arizona 1999... 

        3.  I have and it makes perfect sense --- The Video footage is obviously limited and blurry and the sources I provided explained why..  Do you know for a fact the cameras in that photo you posted are not the ones that took the footage which was released? The footage was collaborated by every single witness who saw the Plane descending and hit the Pentagon --- not a single witness in 20 years has come forward to say they saw a Missile or anything else... Keep in mind, most of the eyewitnesses were civilians using a roadway parallel to the Pentagon complex --- they were not DOD Employees in some government conspiracy. .. 

       4.  I already posted pictures of Aircraft debris from both inside & outside the crash site --- including part of the Plane's landing gear that was inside, and pieces such as one of the Plane's wheel hubs that was just outside the Bldg... As for the dead bodies, again, the charred corpses & body parts of the Passengers, Crew (and the Hijackers through process of elimination) were taken from inside the Pentagon -- brought to the temporary morgue set up in the North Parking Lot --- then flown to Dover Air Force Base in Delaware for forensic examination & identification... Do you believe someone planted the corpses & limbs from Flight 77 in the Pentagon crash site , or that they were simply never there in the first place? 

                  
        

Z09 » 26 Jul 2023, 7:40 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 7:40 am

Furthermore, extensive documentation has been published, confirming that it was indeed Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon:
Flight data3
Radar data4
Air Traffic Control communication5
Witnesses6
Aircraft debris7

There was no aircraft debris. 
Regardless of all this, where is the plane? 

Kobia2 » 26 Jul 2023, 9:15 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 9:15 am

         1.   First you said it was impossible that a Commercial Boeing 757 could fly that low at such speed --- Wherever you learned that from they were wrong... 

         

                  

Where is the plane?

2.  Now you assert the Hijackers were cave-dwellers incapable of executing the attack.... All 4 Terrorists who piloted the Planes were college educated... The remaining 15 were for the physical task of overpowering the Planes Crew .. The Pilot who took over control of Flight 77 Hani Hanjour was actually the only one of the 4 Pilots who already had his Pilot's License prior to being recruited by Al Qaeda to be trained  for the 9/11 Mission... He received his Pilot's License in Arizona 1999... 

The narrative is also that he spent most of his flight time in a simulator. Hitting the pentagon would be a much more difficult target than the towers since it's not a tower high in the air. He had some damn good precision for a amateur who mostly spent time on a simulator.

Where is the plane? 

        3.  I have and it makes perfect sense --- The Video footage is obviously limited and blurry and the sources I provided explained why..  Do you know for a fact the cameras in that photo you posted are not the ones that took the footage which was released? The footage was collaborated by every single witness who saw the Plane descending and hit the Pentagon --- not a single witness in 20 years has come forward to say they saw a Missile or anything else... Keep in mind, most of the eyewitnesses were civilians using a roadway parallel to the Pentagon complex --- they were not DOD Employees in some government conspiracy. .. 

Video or no video. Who cares? Where is the plane?

       4.  I already posted pictures of Aircraft debris from both inside & outside the crash site --- including part of the Plane's landing gear that was inside, and pieces such as one of the Plane's wheel hubs that was just outside the Bldg... As for the dead bodies, again, the charred corpses & body parts of the Passengers, Crew (and the Hijackers through process of elimination) were taken from inside the Pentagon -- brought to the temporary morgue set up in the North Parking Lot --- then flown to Dover Air Force Base in Delaware for forensic examination & identification... Do you believe someone planted the corpses & limbs from Flight 77 in the Pentagon crash site , or that they were simply never there in the first place? 

No you didn't. You posted pics of a plane debri. There was nothing in your pics that suggest it was from the pentagon. The closest one was that piece on the lawn with the crew putting out the fire. That pic also could not have been within minutes because it was mostly smoke by then. The fire wasn't there. 

Z09 » 26 Jul 2023, 9:48 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 9:48 am

There's aircraft debris in numerous photos

No there isn't. Those photos do not suggest that was from the pentagon. 

Why does WASH DC

always create chaos

in the world.....

??