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Kobia2 » 26 Jul 2023, 6:37 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 6:37 am

         Your question was answered, I avoided nothing......

Oh yes, you did, you clearly avoid answering this question...

 


 
 

Kobia2 » 26 Jul 2023, 6:37 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 6:37 am

         ...... I have a few questions of my own if you'd like to take a stab at answering...

But since you took the effort of typing all that I will take a swab...

   1.  You are probably basing the false notion that it was impossible for a 757 to fly at 550 mph at that low altitude on what the conspiracy theorists and naysayers refer to as "Ground Effect"..... And it's simply incorrect. There are numerous sources which dispel this and prove otherwise... Below is one source that does such, and I've posted some of the excerpts... It is technical and lengthy, but does explain both how the plane flew at such speed at that low altitude, and that it didn't require a high skill level for the Hijacker pilot to hit the Pentagon --- which is one of the largest office buildings in the world. 

I'm not going to bother with that once since it doesn't matter if the plane (that didn't hit the Pentagon) went 300mph or 500mph, I call it **** that some terrorist from a cave in Afghanistan could pull it off after spending a few hours on a simulator though..

 2.  I'm sure you can do some researching and perhaps learn why it took that Freedom of Information Act to get them to release the Videos --- the Government initially withheld the release of the Video footage because they claimed it might taint  the jury pool in the sentencing trial of confessed 9/11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui, you let me know the basis why it wasn't released to the public after the trial ---I'll keep an open mind . 

I'm sure.. hope.. you can do some thinking and perhaps learn that explanation doesn't make any sense.. the footage of planes hitting the towers didn't taint the jury pool but footage of a plane (missile) hitting the Pentagon might?

3.  You should be researching why the Pentagon was not using high speed cameras --- in case a commercial Airline traveling at low altitude & 550 mph were to strike that part of the building... Is it your belief they did have such cameras, and in fact captured a MIssile hitting the Pentagon, then made such cameras & footage disappear?... 

Yes, that's my belief..

4.  Do you believe that because a clear enough still frame photo or motion video footage of Flight 77 impacting the Pentagon has not surfaced, that it negates every piece of physical evidence ( including Flight 77's Flight Recorder and the remains / body parts of the passengers & crew)  and 87 eyewitness accounts from people who saw the Plane --- which most identified as a Commercial Airliner flying towards or hitting the Pentagon, with several witnesses stating they saw the planes wings clipping and knocking over street lights as it took aim... Is there a single credible witness who saw a Missile or anything else other than a Plane hit the Pentagon?

It wouldn't negate it if the physical evidence was credible.. but it isn't, that's the point, if there was clear airplane wreckage lying around, luggage and dead bodies everywhere then no one would care about the missing pictures.. but that's lacking, which is suspicious and that only makes the missing pictures even more suspicious...


 
     
 

Z09 » 26 Jul 2023, 7:48 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 7:48 am

You're just being ignorant...
There were dead bodies and they were brought to Dover Base.. 

Really, I suppose I could ask for some pictures of dead bodies (from passengers) being removed from the Pentagon but let's not go there..

Have you ever counted how many people would have to be in your little consipracy?

I never bothered to count them but I guess maybe a few dozen.. of course there were more people involved but most of them were just following orders, maybe they knew something suspicious was going on but they knew better than to ask questions..

And of course when asked the # 1 question ..."What happened to the plane if it didn't crash into the Pentagon".....your mind just goes blank...

This is getting annoying, I know you can't help it but you really are in desperate need of a mirror...

 


 
 

USA/CIA trained Osama Bin Laden in the 80s....

dang, talk about a bad idea

right??

Jantje_Smit » 26 Jul 2023, 7:37 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 7:37 am

But since you took the effort of typing all that I will take a swab...

I'm not going to bother with that once since it doesn't matter if the plane (that didn't the Pentagon) went 300mph or 500mph, I call it **** that some terrorist from a cave in Afghanistan could pull it off after spending a few hours on a simulator though..

I'm sure.. hope.. you can do some thinking and perhaps learn that explanation doesn't make any sense.. the footage of planes hitting the towers didn't taint the jury pool but footage of a plane (missile) hitting the Pentagon might?

Yes, that's my belief..

It wouldn't negate it if the physical evidence was credible.. but it isn't, that's the point, if there was clear airplane wreckage lying around, luggage and dead bodies everywhere then no one would care about the missing pictures.. but that's lacking, which is suspicious and that only makes the missing pictures even more suspicious...


 
     

         1.   First you said it was impossible that a Commercial Boeing 757 could fly that low at such speed --- Wherever you learned that from they were wrong... 

         2.  Now you assert the Hijackers were cave-dwellers incapable of executing the attack.... All 4 Terrorists who piloted the Planes were college educated... The remaining 15 were for the physical task of overpowering the Planes Crew .. The Pilot who took over control of Flight 77 Hani Hanjour was actually the only one of the 4 Pilots who already had his Pilot's License prior to being recruited by Al Qaeda to be trained  for the 9/11 Mission... He received his Pilot's License in Arizona 1999... 

        3.  I have and it makes perfect sense --- The Video footage is obviously limited and blurry and the sources I provided explained why..  Do you know for a fact the cameras in that photo you posted are not the ones that took the footage which was released? The footage was collaborated by every single witness who saw the Plane descending and hit the Pentagon --- not a single witness in 20 years has come forward to say they saw a Missile or anything else... Keep in mind, most of the eyewitnesses were civilians using a roadway parallel to the Pentagon complex --- they were not DOD Employees in some government conspiracy. .. 

       4.  I already posted pictures of Aircraft debris from both inside & outside the crash site --- including part of the Plane's landing gear that was inside, and pieces such as one of the Plane's wheel hubs that was just outside the Bldg... As for the dead bodies, again, the charred corpses & body parts of the Passengers, Crew (and the Hijackers through process of elimination) were taken from inside the Pentagon -- brought to the temporary morgue set up in the North Parking Lot --- then flown to Dover Air Force Base in Delaware for forensic examination & identification... Do you believe someone planted the corpses & limbs from Flight 77 in the Pentagon crash site , or that they were simply never there in the first place? 

                  
        

Z09 » 26 Jul 2023, 7:40 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 7:40 am

Furthermore, extensive documentation has been published, confirming that it was indeed Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon:
Flight data3
Radar data4
Air Traffic Control communication5
Witnesses6
Aircraft debris7

There was no aircraft debris. 
Regardless of all this, where is the plane? 

Kobia2 » 26 Jul 2023, 9:15 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 9:15 am

         1.   First you said it was impossible that a Commercial Boeing 757 could fly that low at such speed --- Wherever you learned that from they were wrong... 

         

                  

Where is the plane?

2.  Now you assert the Hijackers were cave-dwellers incapable of executing the attack.... All 4 Terrorists who piloted the Planes were college educated... The remaining 15 were for the physical task of overpowering the Planes Crew .. The Pilot who took over control of Flight 77 Hani Hanjour was actually the only one of the 4 Pilots who already had his Pilot's License prior to being recruited by Al Qaeda to be trained  for the 9/11 Mission... He received his Pilot's License in Arizona 1999... 

The narrative is also that he spent most of his flight time in a simulator. Hitting the pentagon would be a much more difficult target than the towers since it's not a tower high in the air. He had some damn good precision for a amateur who mostly spent time on a simulator.

Where is the plane? 

        3.  I have and it makes perfect sense --- The Video footage is obviously limited and blurry and the sources I provided explained why..  Do you know for a fact the cameras in that photo you posted are not the ones that took the footage which was released? The footage was collaborated by every single witness who saw the Plane descending and hit the Pentagon --- not a single witness in 20 years has come forward to say they saw a Missile or anything else... Keep in mind, most of the eyewitnesses were civilians using a roadway parallel to the Pentagon complex --- they were not DOD Employees in some government conspiracy. .. 

Video or no video. Who cares? Where is the plane?

       4.  I already posted pictures of Aircraft debris from both inside & outside the crash site --- including part of the Plane's landing gear that was inside, and pieces such as one of the Plane's wheel hubs that was just outside the Bldg... As for the dead bodies, again, the charred corpses & body parts of the Passengers, Crew (and the Hijackers through process of elimination) were taken from inside the Pentagon -- brought to the temporary morgue set up in the North Parking Lot --- then flown to Dover Air Force Base in Delaware for forensic examination & identification... Do you believe someone planted the corpses & limbs from Flight 77 in the Pentagon crash site , or that they were simply never there in the first place? 

No you didn't. You posted pics of a plane debri. There was nothing in your pics that suggest it was from the pentagon. The closest one was that piece on the lawn with the crew putting out the fire. That pic also could not have been within minutes because it was mostly smoke by then. The fire wasn't there. 

Z09 » 26 Jul 2023, 9:48 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 9:48 am

There's aircraft debris in numerous photos

No there isn't. Those photos do not suggest that was from the pentagon. 

Why does WASH DC

always create chaos

in the world.....

??

Sumela » 26 Jul 2023, 9:51 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 9:51 am

Why does WASH DC

always create chaos

in the world.....

??

Because they have a bigger dick than the rest of the countries and they want to make sure everyone knows it. Also, there is a lot of money that can be made in war. Not for the tax payers, but for many private companies. 

Kobia2 » 26 Jul 2023, 9:15 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 9:15 am

         1.   First you said it was impossible that a Commercial Boeing 757 could fly that low at such speed --- Wherever you learned that from they were wrong...  

I still say that but I also say it doesn't matter, I can't be bothered to argue about it..

   2.  Now you assert the Hijackers were cave-dwellers incapable of executing the attack.... All 4 Terrorists who piloted the Planes were college educated... The remaining 15 were for the physical task of overpowering the Planes Crew .. The Pilot who took over control of Flight 77 Hani Hanjour was actually the only one of the 4 Pilots who already had his Pilot's License prior to being recruited by Al Qaeda to be trained  for the 9/11 Mission... He received his Pilot's License in Arizona 1999... 

That's the same thing.. who cares if they were college educated or if one had a license for a small plane.. there are plenty of trained pilots that said the manoeuvres those planes made on 9/11 were impossible to pull off for someone who only spend a few hours on a flight simulator.. yeah, I also lost the link for that.. and it also doesn't matter..

3.  I have and it makes perfect sense --- The Video footage is obviously limited and blurry and the sources I provided explained why..  Do you know for a fact the cameras in that photo you posted are not the ones that took the footage which was released? The footage was collaborated by every single witness who saw the Plane descending and hit the Pentagon --- not a single witness in 20 years has come forward to say they saw a Missile or anything else... Keep in mind, most of the eyewitnesses were civilians using a roadway parallel to the Pentagon complex --- they were not DOD Employees in some government conspiracy. .. 

Yes, that's the point of the picture I posted.. what happened to the footage of all those security cameras that should have gotten a clear picture of the plane hitting the Pentagon.. you still avoid that question...

As for the witnesses, I already told zo9..

       4.  I already posted pictures of Aircraft debris from both inside & outside the crash site --- including part of the Plane's landing gear that was inside, and pieces such as one of the Plane's wheel hubs that was just outside the Bldg... As for the dead bodies, again, the charred corpses & body parts of the Passengers, Crew (and the Hijackers through process of elimination) were taken from inside the Pentagon -- brought to the temporary morgue set up in the North Parking Lot --- then flown to Dover Air Force Base in Delaware for forensic examination & identification... Do you believe someone planted the corpses & limbs from Flight 77 in the Pentagon crash site , or that they were simply never there in the first place? 

They were simply never there in the first place.. they were dropped off at Dover AFB (no, not from area51.. lol) and the doctors there were told they were from the Pentagon.. but you could prove me wrong wih some pictures.. oh wait...

 




 
 

Z09 » 26 Jul 2023, 10:05 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 10:05 am

There's numerous photos of debris from the Pentagon

No, there isn't.

Vegas » 26 Jul 2023, 9:53 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 9:53 am

Because they have a bigger dick than the rest of the countries and they want to make sure everyone knows it. Also, there is a lot of money that can be made in war. Not for the tax payers, but for many private companies.

That sounds right to me.

The Empire of Chaos

A term coined by journalist Pepe Escobar
Create chaos, because chaos can be exploited.
 

Sumela » 26 Jul 2023, 10:11 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 10:11 am

That sounds right to me.

The Empire of Chaos

A term coined by journalist Pepe Escobar
Create chaos, because chaos can be exploited.

The average American is clueless. Spoiled and content. None of our countries actions are on our front door, so they go on with their day believing that America is the capital of democracy and freedom. Looking good on social media is the priority, along with staring at the phones all day. 

Vegas » 26 Jul 2023, 10:15 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 10:15 am

The average American is clueless. Spoiled and content. None of our countries actions are on our front door, so they go on with their day believing that America is the capital of democracy and freedom. Looking good on social media is the priority, along with staring at the phones all day.

Well, we are witnessing a watershed moment

as the multi-polar world emerges.  

WASH DC is in a panic.....fisting their asses furiously
 

Z09 » 26 Jul 2023, 10:16 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 10:16 am

Yep...
You said the witnesses wanted to be famous
And the FBI weren't real

Yes... so?

I know it's useless to ask if you can prove me wrong but it's fun to watch you make a fool out of yourself.. not that you have to make an effort for that..

 


 

Vegas » 26 Jul 2023, 10:15 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 10:15 am

The average American is clueless. Spoiled and content. None of our countries actions are on our front door, so they go on with their day believing that America is the capital of democracy and freedom. Looking good on social media is the priority, along with staring at the phones all day. 

An intellectual mind never admits what their brain navigates in real time being one of a kind. Can you empathize with the mental stress that goes on between the ears and behind the mind of those saving humanity at all costs tto survival of the species?

After birth I was colonized by ancestral social consensus governing my ancestry to believe living exceeds the space my body has occupied here now since a fertilized cell.

Now imagine using human technology that bypasses intellectual timezones on a rotating planet to where all 24 hours are just context by power of suggestion corrupted one species for the last 7.000 years of recording the methods used to keep it going until extinction happens.

So when time doesn't change anything, everything never the same is being eternally separated as evolving in plain sight each lifetime is required to navigate around all others occupying the moment here same as oneself a mere replacement for their own 4 previous generation gaps.

Are you an original 1 of 16 great great grandparents of each great great grandchild born?
Are you even 1 of 8 great grandparents of that same child arriving?
Are you 1 of 4 grandparents to that last arrival of your genetic lineage going forward here?
Did you ever become 1 of 2 parents yet?

When you die never been a parent, where will your specific chromosomes go? extinction. Time to change your mind and get back to navigating space with your sole brain.
Your soul collective contextual character role playing social identity is trapped in denial sustained by promises made and secrets kept..

Nostradamus'omh » 26 Jul 2023, 10:32 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 10:32 am

 Can you empathize with the mental stress that goes on behind the ears and behind the mind of those saving humanity at all costs tto survival of the species?


 

I couldn't careless about mankind. **** the world. Our species is a huge cancer on Earth. We don't deserve to continue. 

Vegas » 26 Jul 2023, 10:34 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 10:34 am

I couldn't careless about mankind. **** the world. Our species is a huge cancer on Earth. We don't deserve to continue. 

That is one hell of an attitude. All because you understand everything I post and everything you have done to ignore it. To escape physical eternal hell, you have to stop pretending now isn't eternity.

But since you won't, you keep self fulfilling prophecies working out as designed by human intellect.

Nostradamus'omh » 26 Jul 2023, 10:37 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 10:37 am

That is one hell of an attitude. All because you understand everything I post and everything you have done to ignore it. To escape physical eternal hell, you have to stop pretending now isn't eternity.

But since you won't, you keep self fulfilling prophecies working out as designed by human intellect.

There was an essay written some time ago by an ecologist that was highly celebrated by many different branches of science. He talked about how humans are the only species that ruin the Earth. If Humans were wiped out, Earth would flourish. No other species has that quality. We don't belong here.