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Maybe not an inside job....

But possibly a War Complex job...

They made TRILLIONS due to this event.

Z09 » 26 Jul 2023, 6:48 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 6:48 pm

I couldn't say it any better

It's my opinion that you and Kobia are wasting your time with these 3 or 4 people. I think they know they're wrong but too proud to admit it. 

Why did GW  Bush ignore the warnings coming from his National Security people and the Military?

Can anyone explain? Was he too dumb for the job .......?

Traitor? Matter of opinion.........

The first war aim is moot because Iraq had no WMD .................
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Vegas » 26 Jul 2023, 10:59 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 10:59 am

If the government was behind the cruise missile, why would they not try to cover that up?

Witnesses aren't conclusive anything. 
The photos were taken 3 days after the incident. The ones that Kobia showed are not suggestive that they were from the pentagon. 
What video? You mean that one that showed a blur that nobody can make out?

My brother was assigned cleanup outside the Pentagon.  He collected aircraft parts for the FAA. 
I don't care what anyone claims.  He was there.  It was a plane, not a missile. 
 

Rock » 26 Jul 2023, 8:38 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 8:38 pm

It's my opinion that you and Kobia are wasting your time with these 3 or 4 people. I think they know they're wrong but too proud to admit it.

So you aren't going to answer where the **** plane is then. Okay, got it. 

Vegas » 26 Jul 2023, 9:22 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 9:22 pm

So you aren't going to answer where the **** plane is then. Okay, got it.

That question was answered in the many links that Kobia presented. Obviously you ignored them. 

Rock » 26 Jul 2023, 8:38 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 8:38 pm

It's my opinion that you and Kobia are wasting your time with these 3 or 4 people. I think they know they're wrong but too proud to admit it.

Almost as embarrassing as flat earthers. Almost. 
 

              This is the Link to the Site that discusses the Cameras at the Pentagon on 9/11...... I forgot to attach it to my last post.... It explains the numbers of cameras, and their positioning, as well as the Justice Dept's handling of the video evidence from 9/11... 

      http://www.9-11tv.org/the-pentagon-plan ... ce-cameras

           Why very few cameras captured the impact eventThere are a number of valid reasons why only four of the 80 video recordings that were released by the FBI in response to a FOIA (Freedom Of Information Act) request filed in 2004, which was fulfilled in 2006 had any relevant evidence.  Because of a number of factors (listed below and detailed in the footnotes) only four of the 80 video recordings captured any useful footage of the plane-impact event, and only two of those four showed any direct visual evidence [1].  The other two recordings revealed only indirect evidence, including a shadow on the ground in one video frame which appears to be from the plane flying overhead.

• Most of the video cameras were not aimed in the direction of the Pentagon and/or at the part of the Pentagon in question – the impact zone.
• Most cameras and recorders were located a considerable distance from the impact event, and virtually all surveillance cameras had wide-angle (fisheye) lenses which render distant objects at very low resolution, and which cause some geometric distortion to the image.
• Many cameras had obstructed views of the Pentagon impact area.
• In 2001, virtually all surveillance cameras rendered low spacial resolution images of at best 480i, and more often less.  480i is what is now called SD – Standard Definition.
• In 2001, most surveillance cameras recorded video at low frame rates (low temporal resolution), often in the range of 1 to 8 frames per second.  By comparison, US TV is most often recorded at 30 frames/second.
• The high speed of the plane, which was accelerating to over 550 mph, resulted in image blurring in the video recording, and offered a low chance of catching more than a single frame of the plane, given the low-recorded frame rate (low temporal resolution) of 1 frame/second).

 

Rock » 26 Jul 2023, 8:38 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 8:38 pm

It's my opinion that you and Kobia are wasting your time with these 3 or 4 people. I think they know they're wrong but too proud to admit it.

          I won't say this about all the 9/11 Inside Job theorists ---- I have a couple friends and a Sister In-Law who subscribe to the idea, though over the years almost all have dropped the banner and abandoned the cause... I enjoy the spirited banter... 
         
          But with some of the remaining diehards, I think it's a case of they became very emotionally invested & attached to their conspiracy beliefs early on -- have dug in their heels --- and probably nothing short of the Terrorists rising from the pits of hell to tell them they did in fact plan & carry out the attacks on 9/11 would convince them otherwise... And even then, some would probably accuse them of lying and being part of the grand cover-up.. 

golfboy » 26 Jul 2023, 8:58 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 8:58 pm

My brother was assigned cleanup outside the Pentagon.  He collected aircraft parts for the FAA. 
I don't care what anyone claims.  He was there.  It was a plane, not a missile.

         Are you sure he wasn't part of the conspiracy and cover-up?.... Can you be positive he is actually your brother?  Is there any proof that he was in fact collecting Aircraft debris -- and not planting it when no one was looking?  I think we need some verification here... 

Z09 » 26 Jul 2023, 10:53 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 10:53 am

So you think anyone that disagrees with you makes a "fool out of themselves"..? 

So you think 'you' is 'anyone'?

When asked you have no idea where the plane went but did suggest it was flown to Area 51?

When asked you have no idea why there aren't any pictures of a plane hitting the Pentagon but suggest a joke gives you an excuse to avoid answering the question?

You've ignored witnesses, photos and video of the attack.

You've ignored my arguments why those witnesses, photos and video don't prove a plane hit the Pentagon..

You said the FBI weren't real agents, the witnesses wanted their 15 minutes of fame and when asked where this cruise missile came from you admit you have no idea... 

See above...

And I also told you that it doesn't matter where the cruise missile came from but I can think of a scenario.. maybe a submarine or a cruiser doing a life fire excercise with missiles.. and one of them being reprogrammed to hit the Pentagon instead of the target it was supposed to hit.. nobody would know, just the guy doing the reprogramming and the one following the missile on his radar..

 
 
 

Kobia2 » 26 Jul 2023, 5:59 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 5:59 pm

           They didn't need to be expert Pilots to achieve what they accomplished..... The 2 Hijacker Pilots that were able to divert their Flight's courses to reach Manhattan and fly their Planes into both the North & South Towers did so... The Planes had already taken off when they took control... All that was required of them was to replot the Plane's course, descend, and hit their target.. 

Ok, I took the trouble of doing some googling.. at least you are trying to make an argument, unlike the zo9 clown..

 Experts say any pilot with basic training could keep a 757 or 767 on a level course. However maneuvering a plane to change its flight path or navigate the craft in changing weather conditions would require months of additional training and experience.

 Unlike a small private plane where pilots generally fly visually, a commercial plane like those hijacked Tuesday require a vast command of navigation techniques as well as in-depth knowledge of their myriad systems, from hydraulics to the autopilot.

Hijackers flew skillfully to targets, experts say

        It's no different than Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon.... The Plane was already airborne when hijacked.. It was just a matter of changing the Plane's course, descending and striking the 2nd largest office building on the planet at 6.5 MILLION square feet... The Pilots weren't required to take-off, make a skilled landing, or strike a small target.... It's also important to note they flew in the day time in clear weather... 

 Yeah, it's different.. the target was one specific site of the Pentagon, at ground level.. a lot more difficult then hitting a big skyscraper hundreds of feet up.. that's why they used a cruise missile for that instead of a remotely controlled plane...

Another fun question, why would suicide hijackers with amateur pilot skills go through the effort of making a ground level attack which a trained pilot would have trouble pulling off when they could simply dive straight onto to it from above?

         We discussed the Cameras.... 
This site has probably the most information on the cameras in use at the Pentagon that day and can give a far more in depth explanation.. There were up to 80 Cameras on the Bldg that day, and this site breaks down where they were in relation to the impact zone..

lol.. you can discuss what you want but you keep avoiding the question, it's the **** Pentagon with a budget of countless $billions, don't tell me they can't afford high resolution security cameras covering every inch of it... low resolution, one frame a second.. lol.. please.. hundreds of cameras and that's the best they can come up with..

          The bodies were simply never there in the first place?... The body parts of those on Flight 77 were intermingled with those of the Pentagon workers also killed in the explosion.. They were brought to Dover Air Base together --- unless part of the conspiracy was the Men in Black brought the pieces of human remains from different locations and then tossed them together like a salad... LOL 

Yes, that's the conspiracy... but go ahead and prove me wrong, see if you can find any pictures of bodies being removed from the Pentagon (the passengers that is)..


 



 
 

Sumela » 26 Jul 2023, 8:10 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 8:10 pm

Maybe not an inside job....

But possibly a War Complex job...

They made TRILLIONS due to this event.

The bigger picture is, it was done within the same species by separate ancestral lineages believing different ways of life exceeding the time living only happens while evolving here one at a time "Common Since" inception conceived one at a time in series parallel positions occupying space specifically here now.

Accountability without reasonable doubt.

Every reality bitches about every other reality being absolutely corrupted so as a whole species all sides saying the same thing, the whole species has been corrupted historically.

Read between the lines of communicating past into current events regardless which tongue, alphabet, people chose to believe live exceeds mutually evolving forward here one ancestor at a time combined as everyone here in plain sight.

That damned simple.

Z09 » 27 Jul 2023, 5:38 am » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2023, 5:38 am

When you stated the plane was flown to Area 51 during a debate I thought you were serious.
Now you realize how dumb it sounded and says it was a joke. 

Oh boy...and then you wonder why people think you're totally clueless..

The very first thing you have to settle is tell us what happened to the plane that 87 witnesses saw just a few minutes before the crash...??

lol.. no, I don't..

You base your argument on "there's no pictures of the plane crashing..."

See that's what makes you so irksome, the argument is 'there's no pictures of the plane crashing..while there obviously should be... '

You just ignore the second part and hope people won't notice..


 
 
 

Z09 » 27 Jul 2023, 5:43 am » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2023, 5:43 am

So now the cruise missile came from a submarine..?

WTF?

So only two people on the submarine would know about a cruise missile being shot off?
How about at the end of the voyage and there's a cruise missle missing?

Your fairy tale story is down right silly now...

No, the cruise missile could have come from a submarine.. and no one would miss it, it would be during an exercise, they would be firing a missile like ordered but it just wouldn't go where it was supposed to go...

  You're getting more and more silly everytime you respond.

Tell us...
What happened to the original plane?
It starts with that. 

You're not only irksome, you're a total bore too.. goes with the territory I guess..

 


 
 
 

Z09 » 27 Jul 2023, 7:31 am » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2023, 7:31 am

Nobody would miss a cruise missle.?

Do you know how dumb you sound?

Cruise missile has numbers on them ..
And some submarine is going to pull into port and there's one missing and no one would take notice?

You sound like a friggin idiot

You quoted my post, you must have read it, it wasn't that long.. ok, english isn't my first language but I usually manage.. it's not me, it's you..

..and no one would miss it, it would be during an exercise, they would be firing a missile like ordered but it just wouldn't go where it was supposed to go...

It's really isn't me that sounds like a friggin idiot..

 



 
 

razoo » 22 Jul 2023, 4:11 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jul 2023, 4:11 pm

They were receiving flight instructions and paying cash money for their instruction ........... odd thing about this instruction is they were not interested in landing only take off ....... 

Where was the GW Bush surveillance team? No where to be found. Clinton had these terrorists under surveillance then GW came along and provided no more funding. Inside job? You bet inside the Bush admin, 
Big brother knew of these nut jobs yet lost funding and they were living within walking distance of NSA headquarters yet still got away with this terrorist activity................. Inside job = the GOP

Where is your evidence the gop planned this?

Nostradamus'omh » 27 Jul 2023, 5:09 am » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2023, 5:09 am

The bigger picture is, it was done within the same species by separate ancestral lineages believing different ways of life exceeding the time living only happens while evolving here one at a time "Common Since" inception conceived one at a time in series parallel positions occupying space specifically here now.

Accountability without reasonable doubt.

Every reality bitches about every other reality being absolutely corrupted so as a whole species all sides saying the same thing, the whole species has been corrupted historically.

Read between the lines of communicating past into current events regardless which tongue, alphabet, people chose to believe live exceeds mutually evolving forward here one ancestor at a time combined as everyone here in plain sight.

That damned simple.

Splain.

Z09 » 27 Jul 2023, 8:02 am » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2023, 8:02 am

So on the morning of 911 a cruise missile from a submarine was shot at the Pentagon and nobody saw it...?

But at the same time 87 witnesses saw an American Airlines jet flying low and crashing into the building and you dismiss it?

But at the same time a cruise missile was shot from a submarine

It doesn't have to be a submarine, maybe a military base or it was dropped from a bomber but as I said, it doesn't matter where it came from.. and of course some people saw it.. a silvery streak hitting the Pentagon, just like one of your witnesses said..

You're an idiot

So, why aren't you whining about missing missiles anymore?

 

 
 

Z09 » 27 Jul 2023, 8:19 am » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2023, 8:19 am

Can you explain what happened to the plane?

And then explain why 87 people are on record saying they saw an American Airlines plane ?

Because the CIA gave them all LSD.  They slipped in their lunches the day before.