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Kobia2 » 26 Jul 2023, 5:59 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 5:59 pm

           They didn't need to be expert Pilots to achieve what they accomplished..... The 2 Hijacker Pilots that were able to divert their Flight's courses to reach Manhattan and fly their Planes into both the North & South Towers did so... The Planes had already taken off when they took control... All that was required of them was to replot the Plane's course, descend, and hit their target.. 

Ok, I took the trouble of doing some googling.. at least you are trying to make an argument, unlike the zo9 clown..

 Experts say any pilot with basic training could keep a 757 or 767 on a level course. However maneuvering a plane to change its flight path or navigate the craft in changing weather conditions would require months of additional training and experience.

 Unlike a small private plane where pilots generally fly visually, a commercial plane like those hijacked Tuesday require a vast command of navigation techniques as well as in-depth knowledge of their myriad systems, from hydraulics to the autopilot.

Hijackers flew skillfully to targets, experts say

        It's no different than Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon.... The Plane was already airborne when hijacked.. It was just a matter of changing the Plane's course, descending and striking the 2nd largest office building on the planet at 6.5 MILLION square feet... The Pilots weren't required to take-off, make a skilled landing, or strike a small target.... It's also important to note they flew in the day time in clear weather... 

 Yeah, it's different.. the target was one specific site of the Pentagon, at ground level.. a lot more difficult then hitting a big skyscraper hundreds of feet up.. that's why they used a cruise missile for that instead of a remotely controlled plane...

Another fun question, why would suicide hijackers with amateur pilot skills go through the effort of making a ground level attack which a trained pilot would have trouble pulling off when they could simply dive straight onto to it from above?

         We discussed the Cameras.... 
This site has probably the most information on the cameras in use at the Pentagon that day and can give a far more in depth explanation.. There were up to 80 Cameras on the Bldg that day, and this site breaks down where they were in relation to the impact zone..

lol.. you can discuss what you want but you keep avoiding the question, it's the **** Pentagon with a budget of countless $billions, don't tell me they can't afford high resolution security cameras covering every inch of it... low resolution, one frame a second.. lol.. please.. hundreds of cameras and that's the best they can come up with..

          The bodies were simply never there in the first place?... The body parts of those on Flight 77 were intermingled with those of the Pentagon workers also killed in the explosion.. They were brought to Dover Air Base together --- unless part of the conspiracy was the Men in Black brought the pieces of human remains from different locations and then tossed them together like a salad... LOL 

Yes, that's the conspiracy... but go ahead and prove me wrong, see if you can find any pictures of bodies being removed from the Pentagon (the passengers that is)..


 



 
 

Sumela » 26 Jul 2023, 8:10 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 8:10 pm

Maybe not an inside job....

But possibly a War Complex job...

They made TRILLIONS due to this event.

The bigger picture is, it was done within the same species by separate ancestral lineages believing different ways of life exceeding the time living only happens while evolving here one at a time "Common Since" inception conceived one at a time in series parallel positions occupying space specifically here now.

Accountability without reasonable doubt.

Every reality bitches about every other reality being absolutely corrupted so as a whole species all sides saying the same thing, the whole species has been corrupted historically.

Read between the lines of communicating past into current events regardless which tongue, alphabet, people chose to believe live exceeds mutually evolving forward here one ancestor at a time combined as everyone here in plain sight.

That damned simple.

Z09 » 27 Jul 2023, 5:38 am » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2023, 5:38 am

When you stated the plane was flown to Area 51 during a debate I thought you were serious.
Now you realize how dumb it sounded and says it was a joke. 

Oh boy...and then you wonder why people think you're totally clueless..

The very first thing you have to settle is tell us what happened to the plane that 87 witnesses saw just a few minutes before the crash...??

lol.. no, I don't..

You base your argument on "there's no pictures of the plane crashing..."

See that's what makes you so irksome, the argument is 'there's no pictures of the plane crashing..while there obviously should be... '

You just ignore the second part and hope people won't notice..


 
 
 

Z09 » 27 Jul 2023, 5:43 am » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2023, 5:43 am

So now the cruise missile came from a submarine..?

WTF?

So only two people on the submarine would know about a cruise missile being shot off?
How about at the end of the voyage and there's a cruise missle missing?

Your fairy tale story is down right silly now...

No, the cruise missile could have come from a submarine.. and no one would miss it, it would be during an exercise, they would be firing a missile like ordered but it just wouldn't go where it was supposed to go...

  You're getting more and more silly everytime you respond.

Tell us...
What happened to the original plane?
It starts with that. 

You're not only irksome, you're a total bore too.. goes with the territory I guess..

 


 
 
 

Z09 » 27 Jul 2023, 7:31 am » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2023, 7:31 am

Nobody would miss a cruise missle.?

Do you know how dumb you sound?

Cruise missile has numbers on them ..
And some submarine is going to pull into port and there's one missing and no one would take notice?

You sound like a friggin idiot

You quoted my post, you must have read it, it wasn't that long.. ok, english isn't my first language but I usually manage.. it's not me, it's you..

..and no one would miss it, it would be during an exercise, they would be firing a missile like ordered but it just wouldn't go where it was supposed to go...

It's really isn't me that sounds like a friggin idiot..

 



 
 

razoo » 22 Jul 2023, 4:11 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jul 2023, 4:11 pm

They were receiving flight instructions and paying cash money for their instruction ........... odd thing about this instruction is they were not interested in landing only take off ....... 

Where was the GW Bush surveillance team? No where to be found. Clinton had these terrorists under surveillance then GW came along and provided no more funding. Inside job? You bet inside the Bush admin, 
Big brother knew of these nut jobs yet lost funding and they were living within walking distance of NSA headquarters yet still got away with this terrorist activity................. Inside job = the GOP

Where is your evidence the gop planned this?

Nostradamus'omh » 27 Jul 2023, 5:09 am » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2023, 5:09 am

The bigger picture is, it was done within the same species by separate ancestral lineages believing different ways of life exceeding the time living only happens while evolving here one at a time "Common Since" inception conceived one at a time in series parallel positions occupying space specifically here now.

Accountability without reasonable doubt.

Every reality bitches about every other reality being absolutely corrupted so as a whole species all sides saying the same thing, the whole species has been corrupted historically.

Read between the lines of communicating past into current events regardless which tongue, alphabet, people chose to believe live exceeds mutually evolving forward here one ancestor at a time combined as everyone here in plain sight.

That damned simple.

Splain.

Z09 » 27 Jul 2023, 8:02 am » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2023, 8:02 am

So on the morning of 911 a cruise missile from a submarine was shot at the Pentagon and nobody saw it...?

But at the same time 87 witnesses saw an American Airlines jet flying low and crashing into the building and you dismiss it?

But at the same time a cruise missile was shot from a submarine

It doesn't have to be a submarine, maybe a military base or it was dropped from a bomber but as I said, it doesn't matter where it came from.. and of course some people saw it.. a silvery streak hitting the Pentagon, just like one of your witnesses said..

You're an idiot

So, why aren't you whining about missing missiles anymore?

 

 
 

Z09 » 27 Jul 2023, 8:19 am » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2023, 8:19 am

Can you explain what happened to the plane?

And then explain why 87 people are on record saying they saw an American Airlines plane ?

Because the CIA gave them all LSD.  They slipped in their lunches the day before.  

Z09 » 27 Jul 2023, 8:19 am » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2023, 8:19 am

Can you explain what happened to the plane?

I get the feeling you're a friggin idiot...

Jantje_Smit » 24 Jul 2023, 2:37 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jul 2023, 2:37 am

Another who the **** cares, the deep state is good at making things disappear, maybe they dumped it in the ocean, maybe it went to area 51..

 

And then explain why 87 people are on record saying they saw an American Airlines plane ?

ok, that's a lie, I'm certain of it...

Jantje_Smit » 26 Jul 2023, 6:48 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 6:48 am

Nah, most of them are probably convinced they are telling the truth... they saw something hit the Pentagon, the headlines scream it was terrorists hijacking planes so that must have been what they saw, they embellished their story and told the media so they could get their 15 minutes of fame..

Some of them clearly just made it up though, that's one of them..

 



 
 
 

911 ensured that the War Complex

will forever occupy the middle east

as Mafia Muscle for Oil Cos.


 

Z09 » 27 Jul 2023, 8:38 am » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2023, 8:38 am

Please ...
Don't give the other guys any ideas..

I got the idea that *** is an annoying troll..

He already stated the 50 FBI agents were all phonies

Eh, which 50 FBI agents would that be?



 
 

Sumela » 27 Jul 2023, 9:04 am » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2023, 9:04 am

911 ensured that the War Complex

will forever occupy the middle east

as Mafia Muscle for Oil Cos.


 

There is a huge difference between the MIC taking full advantage of Americans outrage over the attacks to make hundreds of billions of dollars and a false flag. The first is undeniably true. The second is flat earther gender ideology fantasy land. 

Neo » 27 Jul 2023, 10:41 am » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2023, 10:41 am

There is a huge difference between the MIC taking full advantage of Americans outrage over the attacks to make hundreds of billions of dollars and a false flag. The first is undeniably true. The second is flat earther gender ideology fantasy land.

The CIA has infiltrated and controlled dozens of terrorists groups ever since

D-Bag Reagan used/armed/trained Osama Bin Laden and his Mujahedeen in Afghanistan.

Odd that the same group(s) did 911...20 years later.   WASH DC===CHAOS.

Either way, to not think WASH DC brought it on us...now thats fantasy land   

Imagine Neocon War *** writing in 2000


""""we need a NEW PEARL HARBOR MOMENT""""


And in 2001......they get a GIFT.....911.


Wow, lucky


 

Z09 » 27 Jul 2023, 11:44 am » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2023, 11:44 am

So 87 people who made statements about the American Airlines plane are all lying??

Jesus and his twelve disciples with Mary Magadeline leading the way, were out doing good deeds one day.

And Jesus had a friend named Lazarus, that got deathly sick.  So his sister Martha sent word to Jesus to come back and heal his friend, and her brother Lazarus.

But Jesus tarried too long.  By the time His entourage returned Lazarus had been dead three days, and his corpse stunk.

Jesus wept (guilt?)

And Jesus asked Martha, do you believe I can bring him back to life?

I believe He did just that.  Jesus is my Master I follow.

But don’t ask me to prove that happened.


 

Thank God

The world is de-dollarizing and moving East.

This will help defang

the US Mafia Empire
 

Rock » 26 Jul 2023, 10:18 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 10:18 pm

That question was answered in the many links that Kobia presented. Obviously you ignored them.

I addressed them. There was no indication that suggested those plane parts were at he pentagon. 

Jantje_Smit » 27 Jul 2023, 3:38 am » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2023, 3:38 am

Ok, I took the trouble of doing some googling.. at least you are trying to make an argument, unlike the zo9 clown..

 Experts say any pilot with basic training could keep a 757 or 767 on a level course. However maneuvering a plane to change its flight path or navigate the craft in changing weather conditions would require months of additional training and experience.

 Unlike a small private plane where pilots generally fly visually, a commercial plane like those hijacked Tuesday require a vast command of navigation techniques as well as in-depth knowledge of their myriad systems, from hydraulics to the autopilot.

Hijackers flew skillfully to targets, experts say

 Yeah, it's different.. the target was one specific site of the Pentagon, at ground level.. a lot more difficult then hitting a big skyscraper hundreds of feet up.. that's why they used a cruise missile for that instead of a remotely controlled plane...

Another fun question, why would suicide hijackers with amateur pilot skills go through the effort of making a ground level attack which a trained pilot would have trouble pulling off when they could simply dive straight onto to it from above?

lol.. you can discuss what you want but you keep avoiding the question, it's the **** Pentagon with a budget of countless $billions, don't tell me they can't afford high resolution security cameras covering every inch of it... low resolution, one frame a second.. lol.. please.. hundreds of cameras and that's the best they can come up with..

Yes, that's the conspiracy... but go ahead and prove me wrong, see if you can find any pictures of bodies being removed from the Pentagon (the passengers that is)..

      1.  The source you provided was from Sept 13th 2001 ---2 days after the attack... That's awfully quick to make such a conclusion don't you agree?... Many were making all sorts of claims in the early days, which turned out to be erroneous -- some unintentionally, and others  were not so.... I provided sources from experienced trained pilots who stated it did not require a high skill level to crash those passenger jets.. I did some searching and there are Pilots on both sides of this, but overwhelmingly most concur it was not impossible for Terrorist Hani Hanjour to accomplish such a maneuver... Witnesses also said along with seeing the Plane clip & knock down street lights -- the wings also tipped up & down a few times as it approached the Pentagon. 

    2. I think you've boxed yourself into a very small corner, in that unless you are provided a clear picture of Flight 77 striking the Pentagon, burnt human remains, or tagged baggage from the Flight then it couldn't have been a Plane....... Where we differ is here is where I go with the preponderance of the evidence.. I provided a source why there might not have been a clear photo or slow-motion video of Flight && striking the Pentagon, you choose to disagree which is your right... Brushing all the witness and forensic evidence aside, it makes absolutely zero sense that a PLane on route to intentionally crash into the Pentagon would be made to seamlessly vanish -- and a Missile assume the same flight path to strike the same target... 
 
       I do appreciate the civil debate 
     
 

Jantje_Smit » 27 Jul 2023, 6:16 am » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2023, 6:16 am

Oh boy...and then you wonder why people think you're totally clueless..

lol.. no, I don't..

See that's what makes you so irksome, the argument is 'there's no pictures of the plane crashing..while there obviously should be... '

You just ignore the second part and hope people won't notice..


 

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Common since conceived senses instinctively navigating around everything outside your own skin for the time being alive now. Series parallel evolving is a kinetic flow with only happening as eternally balancing results continue to never stay the same results again.

My brain sees that as eternity and ancestries getting eternally separated by their individual behavior here now.